Jennings didn't drop Fury cunninham did,and that type of punch Ali never through in his life,which is a crouched power shot over a overly taller guy. so lets put things into real perspective.Ali nevr fought a 6'9 giant who could fight,could he out point fury? Maybe but I don't see ant fight that shows me this. Who is more skilled? Ali is slightly but you are confusing amany ali clips with actual full fights that you would see he does not exactly beat everyone he's supposed to that easy.Atain I don't find Fury particularly that great,but hes 6'9 and can box...I don't find Ali that great either to be honest...I can dissect him and many things he did wrong as well....so im going with the 6'9 fury who ali would have to hurt to win against as anyone actually would and ali is not a k.o artist unless he breaks you down which wont happen here.
I think that you are looking at him with frazier, foreman, norton and the likes, look at him vs ernie terrell (a bigger man) cleveland williams (a bigger man) pre prison. He was very very fast faster than any hw now by light years. Cunningham was faster than fury in his prime.
Tyson beat an old, old, old Wlad and he hasn't done much else of note.The prime Ali was lightning fast with both hands and feet. The 25 year old Ali before he was forced to take four years off would make a punching bag out of Fury in my opinion.
Post number 2 and I have already seen exactly what I was planing to say.
Tyson may be huge and nothing Ali saw before, but how can you even consider anything other than Ali dancing around him all night? Prime Ali from 1966/1967, more notably the Ali from the Williams, Terrell and Folley fights I guess, would have done just that. He danced and moved like nothing a HW ever saw and despite not having rep for a dangerous puncher he could landed some vicious shots at times.
Fury would have caused problems, but it is only down to his size and build seeing as he is lightyears behind in terms of skill. Against a fighter as great as the prime Ali the type of body you happen to possess will not win you the fight.
What master traps is Ali going to set on a FAST footed 6'9 giant southpaw with 85 inches of reach? Fury doesn't need to be a k.o puncher ,he hits hard enough hes 250 plus pounds ,and Ali's not remotlley a hard hitter either at 210/215 pounds. Ive seen guys as slow as molassess deck Ali . Fury may not be heavy handed but he's fast and will tag Ali up and find it easy to hit the lean straight back Ali defense. More than anyone Ali relied on reach because he had poor defense. Fury would out manauever him relatively easy. If this were an actual modern fight and Ali never had the history he does ,rest assured about 90% of the posters on here would pick fury as well.there to mesmerized by history to actually think Fury would win,and they have no actual reasoning behind it other than ,he's Ali. Terrible stylistic match up for Ali,a behemoth with a jab also who doesn't sit still either.
Prime Ali was far faster and stronger than jennings who dropped fury. He was better defensively in his young career than when he got older don't forget that. You have your choice that's fine, but Fury is fast by giant's standards, by an uberathletic virtual cruiserweight standards, not so much. He's woefully slow by those standards. He definitely has his advantages, but he's not particularly good at cutting off the ring, getting his hands in a defensive position/ not allowing counters, or making foes pay for mistakes. Don't confuse an elderly klitschko with prime ali (which BTW was pre prison not post, do your research Ali's key to defense was head movement and foot movement when he got old that didn't work as well).
Tyson beat an old, old, old Wlad and he hasn't done much else of note.The prime Ali was lightning fast with both hands and feet. The 25 year old Ali before he was forced to take four years off would make a punching bag out of Fury in my opinion.
very well said....
could not add more.....
Could be Hearns-Leonard 1 with or without the rallying knockout from the smaller man..(and no Fury doesn't hit like Hearns but Ali didn't hit like Leonard)
Great comparison.
Nonetheless, I'm bored of Fury already, and have (like many), been bored of Klitch forever. Let's just get on with Joseph Parker running amok and be done with it.
Re-phrase - sound bites with substance.
One talks, the other actually says something.
He got one chance and he beat the man. No reason to hate on Fury inside the ring beyond his tendency to punch himself in the face.
This one does have me torn... Part of me says Ali is too fast and makes him miss like a toddler and KO's him or an easy UD
Then the other parts says life don't work like that...Tyson has real skills and it's actually embarrassing to say he doesn't. He's longer and knows how to use it.
Could be Hearns-Leonard 1 with or without the rallying knockout from the smaller man..(and no Fury doesn't hit like Hearns but Ali didn't hit like Leonard)
Did you really just say sound bites don't make legendary fighters in a thread about Muhammad Ali?? Are you really that vacant? The louisville lip may fu(king disagree with you XD Ali is the Greatest of All Time purely on the back of shouting it a million times... or did you miss the part where Frazier won the first fight?
Re-phrase - sound bites with substance.
One talks, the other actually says something.
Fury might beat a current day Ali, possibly.
Who cares anyway?
I absolutely cannot believe the crap that's being spouted about Fury in this thread. Someone above referred to him as "weirdly fast and technical". Seriously? Is that what people got out of Fury's erratic movements and pillow jab against an old, statue of a man? Although I do agree other part of what was said - styles make fights.
Two different generations, two different boxing worlds, it's apples and oranges.
But please, people, sound bites don't make legendary fighters.
Did you really just say sound bites don't make legendary fighters in a thread about Muhammad Ali?? Are you really that vacant? The louisville lip may fu(king disagree with you XD Ali is the Greatest of All Time purely on the back of shouting it a million times... or did you miss the part where Frazier won the first fight?
Fury might beat a current day Ali, possibly.
Who cares anyway?
I absolutely cannot believe the crap that's being spouted about Fury in this thread. Someone above referred to him as "weirdly fast and technical". Seriously? Is that what people got out of Fury's erratic movements and pillow jab against an old, statue of a man? Although I do agree other part of what was said - styles make fights.
Two different generations, two different boxing worlds, it's apples and oranges.
But please, people, sound bites don't make legendary fighters.
If Fury beats Wlad again, and proves to the world he can do that on more than just 1 night. He will probably become what you could call an anomaly, the dude is huge! 6.9/6/10 depending on who's the promoter, the longest wing span in boxing, and who's weirdly fast and technical for his sheer size.
Usually someone his size is just a massive clumsy oaf, look at Valuev.
How would Ali actually get to him, he'd have to punch over Furys arms every time he wanted to land, unless he just went to the body for the whole fight.
Fury would block his shots, grind him down and mostly likely stop him. Styles makes fights as they say and Furys all wrong for Ali.
Modern heavyweights height: 6'9 Fury, 6'7 Wilder and 6'6 Joshua. I think it speak by itself, you can't give up so much eight, reach and weight and still have a chance to win against theses beasts. Ali dosen't stand a chance. Nor does Tyson, Foreman or Holyfield...
I don't think its a good comparison or matchup, probably the reason they considered having a super heavy division. George foreman may be better. But for the hell of it, i have prime ali by decision. Tyson fury is very slow footed and not really a ko puncher while ali set master traps.
What a stupid, idiotic thread. How the hell is Ali supposed to compete against the current crop of heavyweights and their incredible athleticism and modern training methods?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfWE_8MpjzY&app=m&persist_app=1
This is why I need my main man Elroy1 up in here.
What a stupid, idiotic thread. How the hell is Ali supposed to compete against the current crop of heavyweights and their incredible athleticism and modern training methods?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfWE_8MpjzY&app=m&persist_app=1
maybe about even. Did you know that Fury is so fast that he flips the switch to go to bed and he is in bed before the room is dark?
;)
Oh...I see you have that Ali poster too...:unitedsta
Fury has faster hands than Ali, now I have heard everything.
maybe about even. Did you know that Fury is so fast that he flips the switch to go to bed and he is in bed before the room is dark?
;)