Arthur Abraham had quite an amazing career so far. At 160lbs, he was the king of the division, due to his power, defense, chin and heart. He defeated a lot of guys, including Edison Miranda (who was an undefeated knockout machine back then), and made his heart known by 12th round decisioning him with a broken jaw that he received early in the fight. His final record at 160lbs was 31(24)-0.
He then moved up to 168lbs, despite being at a massive size disadvantage there. Did he move up to duck someone? No. He moved up to compete in the Super Six Tournament against the toughest opponents in the 168lbs divison, in what would be one of the best boxing eras in the history of the division. He was not the same deadly force at 168lbs as at 160lbs, due to being a small fighter there, but Arthur Abraham only lost to elite guys like Carl Froch, Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell, all by decision, due to his toughness. He did KO Jermain Taylor, though, which was very impressive, as Taylor had looked good in his last fight against Froch.
Since then, Arthur has proven his worth by beating Robert Stieglitz and while losing 1 time, he made more than up for it by beating Stieglitz 3 times in what was an amazing and exciting series of action-packed battles.
Now, though, he is an old lion, small and slow. There is still some power left and the skills are there, but he has slowed down. He is facing the younger, much bigger and undefeated Mexican Gilberto Ramirez next. This is a very dangerous fight for Arthur Abraham, but if he wins, he can retire with a very good resume and a very great career to look back at.
I was a big fan a few years back in his hey day. Still root for him now.
Some nice KO's when facing some lesser opponents, and some decent wins. Was only really beat by top guys. I enjoyed watching him.
Me and some friends are gonna enjoy his next fight in big style, it's never boring. Friends, cocaine, music and Arthur Abraham, the night will be brilliant! And then we are gonna watch a lot of highlights first. Seriously, it always saddens me to see legends like Arthur get older and more vulnerable, I hope so forkin badly that he beats Ramirez, it will do a lot for his resume! He has given me some of my best times with boxing and I will follow him as a loyal fan to the very end.
I was a big fan a few years back in his hey day. Still root for him now.
Some nice KO's when facing some lesser opponents, and some decent wins. Was only really beat by top guys. I enjoyed watching him.
Double A had some brutal knockouts back in the day.
Crazy heavy handed.
Those were some crazy knockouts. I wish we had more fighters like Arthur Abraham today. Let's hope that he brings back one of the classic knockouts when he faces Ramirez soon. WAR, ARTHUR! :boxing:
no, buddy. hopkins>taylor>pavlik>martinez. that's the lineage. arthur abraham wasn't the guy at 160, just A guy at 160. whose best win was edison miranda, which isn't really that great of a win in hindsight.
I'd say that's still a very solid win (assuming you don't consider it a robbery, which many people do). Miranda was an absolute killer back then, and tough as nails. The fact that he fell off badly after that doesn't diminish what a beast he was in his prime. Only Pavlik was really able to handle him, and he had to walk through a hailstorm of punches to do so.
He was certainly the guy at MW, but your point of view is otherwise acceptable.
no, buddy. hopkins>taylor>pavlik>martinez. that's the lineage. arthur abraham wasn't the guy at 160, just A guy at 160. whose best win was edison miranda, which isn't really that great of a win in hindsight.
Arthur has had a solid career, like him or hate him you have to give him respect.
He could have hid in Germany with the WBO belt for 10 years and fought no one.
People that don't think he is good are stupid, he went 8 rounds with a broken jaw against Miranda. Miranda was a beast at the time.
Even though he is the underdog in the fight, he could outsmart the lesser experienced fighter.
Double A had some brutal knockouts back in the day.
Crazy heavy handed.
Holy ****, I forgot how brutal that Khoren KO was. Probably one of the best landings I've seen.
You disagree?
As one of the top middleweights in history? Yes i do. He had 1 fight at mw against a past prime hagler. While he may have a win against one of the best mw in history, he lacks the body of work at that weight to be considered imo.
when I made the comparison I got lambasted for it...look at it though, Abraham was in the same position as GGG but dared to be great and challenge himself...he didnt have to enter the super 6
I agree, but if you annoy the Golovkin fanboys, they will swarm the thread, so let's only talk about the REAL middleweight king here.
Arthur Abraham did what everyone now expects Golovkin to do. To face strong opponents and move up in weight.
when I made the comparison I got lambasted for it...look at it though, Abraham was in the same position as GGG but dared to be great and challenge himself...he didnt have to enter the super 6
He moved up cause he struggled to make 160 for a long time. Which strong opponents did he face at 160? His MW comp was worse than Gggs, and he regularly looked like sh1t at that level
Yup and he fought mostly in Germany where the judges can be very dodgy
After Calzaghe left 168 the division was dead. The only fighter anyone gave a dsmn about at the time was Bute.
The Super Six help bring some excitement to the division but half the participants were MW and the other half were prospects. There was nothing really there at the time.
Wasn't really talking about the time period after Calzaghe left.
Abraham needed to get a better trainer.
Guy has no plan B when things don't go the way he expects it to go.
I still remember how lost the guy looked when Froch decided to box him instead of trade with him. Everyone was expecting a slugfest for this fight and when Froch showed up and actually boxed Abraham looked like a lost kid.
MW had Taylor, Abraham, Pavlik, Miranda... And they were always thrown into the hypothetical mix of 168 (which was the best division at the time)
After Calzaghe left 168 the division was dead. The only fighter anyone gave a dsmn about at the time was Bute.
The Super Six help bring some excitement to the division but half the participants were MW and the other half were prospects. There was nothing really there at the time.
Arthur Abraham had quite an amazing career so far. At 160lbs, he was the king of the division, due to his power, defense, chin and heart. He defeated a lot of guys, including Edison Miranda (who was an undefeated knockout machine back then), and made his heart known by 12th round decisioning him with a broken jaw that he received early in the fight. His final record at 160lbs was 31(24)-0.
He then moved up to 168lbs, despite being at a massive size disadvantage there. Did he move up to duck someone? No. He moved up to compete in the Super Six Tournament against the toughest opponents in the 168lbs divison, in what would be one of the best boxing eras in the history of the division. He was not the same deadly force at 168lbs as at 160lbs, due to being a small fighter there, but Arthur Abraham only lost to elite guys like Carl Froch, Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell, all by decision, due to his toughness. He did KO Jermain Taylor, though, which was very impressive, as Taylor had looked good in his last fight against Froch.
Since then, Arthur has proven his worth by beating Robert Stieglitz and while losing 1 time, he made more than up for it by beating Stieglitz 3 times in what was an amazing and exciting series of action-packed battles.
Now, though, he is an old lion, small and slow. There is still some power left and the skills are there, but he has slowed down. He is facing the younger, much bigger and undefeated Mexican Gilberto Ramirez next. This is a very dangerous fight for Arthur Abraham, but if he wins, he can retire with a very good resume and a very great career to look back at.
had no idea you took time out of ur day to post on these boards
hi Arthur
Abraham was never the guy at MW, with fights against Taylor (at 160) and Pavlik, never happening. That's sad but he has had a terrific career. A two weight title holder with a good resume and solid power, not to mention some serious balls.
Certified, second tier HOFer.
.......in Armenia