If you think Canelo is acting like a b1tch by defending his mw crown against a welterweight, then you must admit that Floyd acted like a super ultra mega b1tch back then when he dragged the midget Marquez, the lightweight champion, all the way to ww as one of the worst cherrypicks of all time.
JMM was at an enormous size and stylistic disadvantage in that joke of a fight. He tried desperately to gain mass by eating burguers at drinking piss, (he didn't have his faithful Memo HeROIDia by his side yet). It didn't work. JMM looked terrible. bloated and sluggish, worst version of JMM ever. Floyd even cheated him on the scales for good measure, came overweight and looked like SMW fighting a midget.
JMM was also at a HUGE disadvantage style wise
I mean, a counterpuncher fighting another counterpuncher, who is BIGGER, FASTER, with longer reach, and who is also a negative, defensive minded ***** who'd even force the midget counterpuncher to lead?! Jeez i wonder how is this going to end?!
At least Khan poses a stylistic challenge to ginger. We know Canelo has cement feet and always struggles with movers. Khan has the advantage in style, footwork, handspeed, movement speed. Khan is taller than Canelo with longer reach too. The real question mark is his chin, will his chin be up for the task? you know that, if they were the same size or if Khan was known for having an iron chin, Khan would be the big favourite here. JMM would never have a chance against Floyd even if they were the same size, styles makes fights.
So if you ever gave Floydette any credit for beating pre-HeROIDia midget JMM (you shouldn't), then you must give much more credit to Canelo after he flattens King Khan
:lol1: Compare Floyd's lack of KOs in his 4th weight division to some naturally bigger ATGs that started out at, or nearer that weight division. That seems extremely logical.
Lets ignore rough fights vs Chavez and Emanuel Augustus were Floyd has had to force the stoppage. Or Whitaker/Hurtado. Yeah. One dimensional.
I'm just surprised he hasn't brought Ward vs Froch into this conversation somehow. That's the only other thing he knows about.
Haha... A lot of people that are new to the sport do tend to focus exclusively on his welterweight career. But even at welterweight and above he was a complete fighter. To say that he and Whitaker are one dimensional just shows a complete lack of understanding of the sport of boxing.
I enjoy the site from time to time, but when i read Pernell and Floyd are one dimensional.....its like how do you reduce two offensively well rounded boxers to being one dimensional??? Goodness gracious
From Khan's perspective this fight is surely a cash out. There's no other plausible explanation all other things considered. But where is the incentive for Canelo? I don't see it at all.
My mind is blown.
Which is what most people don't get or fail to acknowledge. Khan is on a slippery slope. He's where most guys are at when they know the pressure is on and they are at a crossroads. If he wins vs Canelo, which is highly unlikely, he can move up and have at least 7 more fights because of it, but if and when he loses to Canelo he will front as if he made a significant try to hide his issues with his chin. Its why this fight is being made. So he can say well its not like i have a bad chin, Canelo has a great set of attributes and he swells up to 170. This fight is just career suicide, but with his fading skill, bad chin, tendency to square up, horrible footwork, bad habit of leaving his chin in the air too long....its not gonna last too long....but long enough for him to say i survived blank vs Saul.
From Khan's perspective this fight is surely a cash out. There's no other plausible explanation all other things considered. But where is the incentive for Canelo? I don't see it at all.
My mind is blown.
Is it just me or is New England's posts extremely hard to read?
Forget the fact that his spelling and punctuality is elementary level, but I'm actually talking about his sentences being incoherent?
I have to re-read paragraph upon paragraph several times just to understand what he's saying. It's almost like reading a failed mockery attempt of Old English or Shakespeare . That's not even counting when I'm trying to piece together the misspelled words and make sense of what he was trying to say.
It's just awful which is why I glance over his posts and skip them. But then I have to circle back and try to read them anyway or else I'll be left out on to what's going on in the thread.
Lol @ "paragraph upon paragraph"
You have to have knowledge of a topic to be able to write coherently about it. For example, if you don't know what one-dimensional means, how can you write a thesis on why a certain boxer is one dimensionsial? That's why you probably can't understand what he's saying.
the insults are not the point of the thread. calling him childish was not the point of the post. calling out that he was saying i was "on his dick" about something monumentally stuypid, which deserved correcting, was the point of the thread. to focus was not that his rhetoric was childish. it's that his evaluation of the boxing was off. was critiquing content, not style. that's clear if you read more than one post in the thread.
he said floyd mayweather walked canelo down. it was a monumentally stupid comment, and shows a complete lack of what's going on in a boxin gmathc
collegedoe
what'd i do to intimidate you, anwyay? a lot of these guys don't liek that i'm educated, successful, etc, because they aren't. you're bringing in a lot of baggage, brih. drumming not paying the bills or something? didn't expect it from you. i thought they educated you aussies for free :cool2:
Wow...Way to prove my point. Mate, I couldnt give a rats about your education (definitely not free by the way, if only it were), been there done that, I don't need to one up you there as I don't feel the need to point that out to everyone and their dog like you. Don't even know what you do or care anyway. Education and success definitely do not maketh the man.
And frankly, what some random person on the internet who i'll never meet thinks of my success, education and life achievements so far means literally nothing. You wouldn't have the foggiest what any of it means anyway. My success shows in the people I play with, and their respect, and the living I make from it, providing for my family and their happiness, not some random guy on the internet that can't stop bringing his own up every chance he gets. I come here for boxing, not useless gloating to people I dont know about stuff they likely care nothing about.
Intimidation? Jesus, we're going there are we? Urghhh...we're on the internet mate. It's a ****ing internet boxing forum. It's just a message board. You're in a different country for christ sake, behind a computer screen. Intimidation...I like that. :lol1:
The insults might not have been the point of the whole thread and the whole argument, but you made them and they were the point of the posts that I quoted and highlighted, otherwise...ready...you wouldn't have put them in there. Pretty simple.
Baggage eh...pot, kettle...etc.
you acting like power and offense isn't a dimension in boxing is absolutely absurd. it can't be more obviously a dynamic in floyd's game that is missing. since his stippage of sharmba mitchell floyd stopped ricky hatton, and victor ortiz controversially. that's over around 10 years, usually fighting twice each year. that you can't see how that supports the idea that a fighter is one dimensional in the context of boxing history and all time great welterweights is not worth my time.
why do you have an issue with a long paragraph WHEN YOUY F#CKING ASKED FOR IT ?!?
i don't know why i waste part of a saturday like this. i do have better things to do.
and of course, no rounds showing me where floyd walked canelo down, which is what the thread you keep bringin up was about. if he did walk canelo down you'd have posted them by now. i even went through the fight and did it for you :lol1:. coward.
Chin, speed, power...neither of them lacked in that department so there is no need to talk about that.
It's a ridiculous thing to say one dimensional when the two can fight from all ranges, on the inside, mid range, back foot, against the ropes, had every single punch in their arsenal and can defend very well.
You picked two of the most well rounded fighters to lace up a pair of gloves and said they were one dimensional, that's insane man.
Is it just me or is New England's posts extremely hard to read?
Forget the fact that his spelling and punctuality is elementary level, but I'm actually talking about his sentences being incoherent?
I have to re-read paragraph upon paragraph several times just to understand what he's saying. It's almost like reading a failed mockery attempt of Old English or Shakespeare . That's not even counting when I'm trying to piece together the misspelled words and make sense of what he was trying to say.
It's just awful which is why I glance over his posts and skip them. But then I have to circle back and try to read them anyway or else I'll be left out on to what's going on in the thread.
This is where you're going wrong. It'll just be him writing an emotional thesis about something completely off topic.
Oh GAWD. Another long New England-graph babbling about power and chin. :lol1:
I tell him his boxing knowledge is limited to speed, power and chin and what does he do? Bring up speed, power and chin. :lol1:
:lol1: Compare Floyd's lack of KOs in his 4th weight division to some naturally bigger ATGs that started out at, or nearer that weight division. That seems extremely logical.
Lets ignore rough fights vs Chavez and Emanuel Augustus were Floyd has had to force the stoppage. Or Whitaker/Hurtado. Yeah. One dimensional.
I'm just surprised he hasn't brought Ward vs Froch into this conversation somehow. That's the only other thing he knows about.
blah blah blah
:lol1: :lol1: dude is a typing machine.
I've addressed you already in this thread and in more detail in the previous thread. You just choose to ignore the posts and continue to babble about the same ****.
Oh GAWD. Another long New England-graph babbling about power and chin. :lol1:
I tell him his boxing knowledge is limited to speed, power and chin and what does he do? Bring up speed, power and chin. :lol1:
you acting like power and offense isn't a dimension in boxing is absolutely absurd. it can't be more obviously a dynamic in floyd's game that is missing. since his stippage of sharmba mitchell floyd stopped ricky hatton, and victor ortiz controversially. that's over around 10 years, usually fighting twice each year. that you can't see how that supports the idea that a fighter is one dimensional in the context of boxing history and all time great welterweights is not worth my time.
why do you have an issue with a long paragraph WHEN YOUY F#CKING ASKED FOR IT ?!?
i don't know why i waste part of a saturday like this. i do have better things to do.
and of course, no rounds showing me where floyd walked canelo down, which is what the thread you keep bringin up was about. if he did walk canelo down you'd have posted them by now. i even went through the fight and did it for you :lol1:. coward.
Oh GAWD. Another long New England-graph babbling about power and chin. :lol1:
I tell him his boxing knowledge is limited to speed, power and chin and what does he do? Bring up speed, power and chin. :lol1:
:lol1: :lol1:
Give me more your expert analysis about how Floyd and Whitaker are one dimensionsioal and "all they do is box doe. They're boxers. All they do is box and counter doe"
A guy that says Floyd and Whitaker are one dimensionsial has no right to comment on anything that is happening in the ring.
i've done thayt several times, pariticularly where mayweather, the focys of the thread and the one i was talking about at the time, was concerned.
all you need to do is look at historic level weltwerweights hearns, robinson, and leonard. they're knockout punchers in addition to having great boxing skills. when leonard was behind against hearns he had another "dimension" that floyd doesn't have, which is to move forward, rely on a good chin and power, and win a fight without going to the scorecards. show me floyd mayweather doing that, particularly at WW. you can't. you've had plenty of opportunity, and you wave a white flag every time.
you clearly ahven't watched any of those trhee fighters, or you'd have more to offer that you've offered in these threads.
do oyu really want me to go back and quote myself? you've got a mouse andyou can scroll. go abck through the threads if you're really interested in getting educated on teh subject.
show me instances where floyd mayweather demonstrates elite level offensein the class of tommy hearns, ray leoanrd, or ray robinson. show me why you don't think he's one dimensional in comparison to well rounded welterweights.
heck, give me your definition of a well rounded fighter :lol1:. let's hope it's better than your definition of walking a guy down, which you've alluded to but have never provided.
i don't have sigs unlocked.
was it as idiotic as somebody claiming that floyd mayweather walked canelo down?
did you even watch that fight? be honest.
:lol1: :lol1:
Give me more your expert analysis about how Floyd and Whitaker are one dimensionsioal and "all they do is box doe. They're boxers. All they do is box and counter doe"
A guy that says Floyd and Whitaker are one dimensionsial has no right to comment on anything that is happening in the ring.
Meh... It's deeper than that. Dude is a sore loser. He made an idoitic comment as displayed in b00g13man's sig, I called him out on his stupidity and he's been butthurt and stalking me since. The stalking has resulted in several thread derailings. Im just sitting back and enjoying his epic meltdown because his internet reputation means so much to him.
i don't have sigs unlocked.
was it as idiotic as somebody claiming that floyd mayweather walked canelo down?
did you even watch that fight? be honest.
Missed the point there didn't ya fella.
So you 'point out his stupidity' by replying to him about having a '9th grade reading level' while you bring up the very clever insults of 'bum ****ing' and 'small dicks'.
Get it? Hence, the word 'basically' even thrown in there to clarify that the point you brought up above was an extra point on top.
College errr, doe.
:pat:
Ego is a funny thing.
the insults are not the point of the thread. calling him childish was not the point of the post. i don't care if you perceive a measure of hypocrisy where an insignificant aspect of a thread is concerned. calling out that he was saying i was "on his dick" about something monumentally stupid, which deserved correcting, was the point of the thread. to focus was not that his rhetoric was childish. it's that his evaluation of the boxing was off. was critiquing content, not style. that's clear if you read more than one post in the thread.
he said floyd mayweather walked canelo down. it was a monumentally stupid comment, and shows a complete lack of what's going on in a boxin gmathc
collegedoe
what'd i do to intimidate you, anwyay? a lot of these guys don't liek that i'm educated, successful, etc, because they aren't. you're bringing in a lot of baggage, brih. drumming not paying the bills or something? didn't expect it from you. i thought they educated you aussies for free :cool2:
:thinking:
Not that I want to get between you two, but that's a pretty bizarre statement to make NE. Hypocritical you think? Bit egocentric maybe?
You accuse a guy of basically being a childish imbecile for saying "Why u on my dick so much?" right after you very wittily accuse him of taking it up the ass from Floyd. I'd go so far as to say that's college level stuff right there! You even, and this is real high brow shakespearean stuff here, take a shot at Floyd himself for having a small dick.
It was good. You really outdid him in the witty insult department there mate. Made him look like a real inbred yokel compared to your university educated 'bum ****ing' and 'small dick' insults.
:fing02:
Meh... It's deeper than that. Dude is a sore loser. He made an idoitic comment as displayed in b00g13man's sig, I called him out on his stupidity and he's been butthurt and stalking me since. The stalking has resulted in several thread derailings. Im just sitting back and enjoying his epic meltdown because his internet reputation means so much to him.
pointing out that he was being childish with his choice of words wasn't the point of the reply. college doe :lol1:
Missed the point there didn't ya fella.
So you 'point out his stupidity' by replying to him about having a '9th grade reading level' while you bring up the very clever insults of 'bum ****ing' and 'small dicks'.
Get it? Hence, the word 'basically' even thrown in there to clarify that the point you brought up above was an extra point on top.
College errr, doe.
:pat:
Ego is a funny thing.