Virgil Hunter brought this up recently and I think it's a great point. He's been a millionaire since 17 and is financially set for life and he seems to be caught up in the superstar lifestyle. He focuses on boxing 6 months a year and spends the other half travelling around the world; he may only fight just the once this year. All the charity work he does is great don't get me wrong but I think Virgil has a point, he's ao devoted to all these extra-curricular activities and as a result his boxing suffers. He COULD be "great" but he may never reach his sealing because unlike the greats, he's not in the gym all year round. Do you agree?
Yeah, that's a given. I mean every gym has that kid even on the most basic level and unless you really have to you'd like to avoid more damage to your head.
If you read my posts, my point has been Collazo was always a guy who relied on skill, unlike say Witter who also had skill, but depended a lot on his physical tools, reflexes in this case. Skill either remains the same if not improve. As you grow you learn more neat tricks and tools. I'm not suggesting Collazo improved, but he surely didn't become sh.1t either.
Is it the same as Hatton beating Collazo? Of course not, Hatton beat the WBA WW champion and Khan the version coming off Ortiz who himself was desperate for a win. Then again it was a WW debut, like D.Garcia-Malignaggi.
He was ABA champ, not exactly a baby either. He knew his way around the ring. Not like Khan was moved along like Degale, but like a standard prospect.
That ODLH bubble popped after Prescott.
I would say Collazo had lost a fair bit from when he was a real player on the scene to now. He'd been to rehab and what not. Good fighter, don't get me wrong. But I think he was better back in the day.
ABA SchmaBA, that doesn't mean anything. Hatton was a slow burner, Khan was an instant superstar and household name. It's quite literally impossible for Hatton to be given the same opportunities. Granted, Khan earned his way to the Olympics and all that, but he was pushed in the pros. Unlike others like Hatton who took a while to get noticed.
Khan was moved along very quickly. They talked about world title fights after 10 fights or so I remember. Even though he was just a kid and was definitely not ready.
But even after prescott, he had 1-2 fights and then it was forgotten. He got a world title shot almost straight after Prescott if I remember correctly.
Weak argument.
Ask any boxer. If they could fight a boxer or a puncher who they'd rather fight, and it'll be a boxer any day of the week. Usually less punishment on the body regardless of the outcome of the fight.
Yeah, that's a given. I mean every gym has that kid even on the most basic level and unless you really have to you'd like to avoid more damage to your head.
If you read my posts, my point has been Collazo was always a guy who relied on skill, unlike say Witter who also had skill, but depended a lot on his physical tools, reflexes in this case. Skill either remains the same if not improve. As you grow you learn more neat tricks and tools. I'm not suggesting Collazo improved, but he surely didn't become sh.1t either.
Is it the same as Hatton beating Collazo? Of course not, Hatton beat the WBA WW champion and Khan the version coming off Ortiz who himself was desperate for a win. Then again it was a WW debut, like D.Garcia-Malignaggi.
This is stupid.
Ricky wasn't in the Olymics and didn't have the luxury of selling out the MEN in his pro debut.
The fact of the matter is that Khan hasn't become what we all hoped he would be. We thought he was the new Oscar dela Hoya. He turned out very differently.
He was ABA champ, not exactly a baby either. He knew his way around the ring. Not like Khan was moved along like Degale, but like a standard prospect.
That ODLH bubble popped after Prescott.
Well there's also the fact that Collazo was 36 or something and recovering from alcoholism. The fact that he was losing to guys like Freddy Hernandez. The fact that his losses in big fights came several years ago whereas Chaves' have been coming in recent times and he's still a relevant fighter.
But anyway, I'm beating a dead horse at the moment. And I mean very dead. You were flatlined yesterday.
I'm basically just pissing on your grave for kicks at the moment.
33. Troll.
Where did I even say Collazo was a great win?
He's actually trying to say that Khan fought a better version of Collazo :lol1:
I mean just when you think he can't embarrass himself any further, he goes and does it.
What did I tell you to stay away from subjects you don't now anything about?
& why exactly are you still chatting sh1t about me?
Weak argument.
Ask any boxer. If they could fight a boxer or a puncher who they'd rather fight, and it'll be a boxer any day of the week. Usually less punishment on the body regardless of the outcome of the fight.
Khan relies extensively on physical gifts.
Skill is intangible. Collazo was never a guy who relied on his physical gifts cuz he had none that stood out. His skill level remained the same if not improved with age.
Ahem.............
He's actually trying to say that Khan fought a better version of Collazo :lol1:
I mean just when you think he can't embarrass himself any further, he goes and does it.
Did he say that?
That can't be true. Collazo was something like a year removed from alcoholism or something.
Weak argument.
Ask any boxer. If they could fight a boxer or a puncher who they'd rather fight, and it'll be a boxer any day of the week. Usually less punishment on the body regardless of the outcome of the fight.
He's actually trying to say that Khan fought a better version of Collazo :lol1:
I mean just when you think he can't embarrass himself any further, he goes and does it.
The argument was "boxers" ie skill/ability, which doesn't decline with age, unless you rely extensively on physical gifts. Collazo was always a crafty technician.
Being a light hitter doesn't mean you aren't good.
Weak argument.
Ask any boxer. If they could fight a boxer or a puncher who they'd rather fight, and it'll be a boxer any day of the week. Usually less punishment on the body regardless of the outcome of the fight.
Its amazing how much Khan has achieved at 34 fights, compare that with "our Rickeh" who was still defending his coveted WBU title against people from the homeless shelter.
Khan has to be one of the biggest overachievers in the game. Everything he achieved beyond Prescott, where even I thought he is done, is like an icing on the cake, now that's alotta icing.
This is stupid.
Ricky wasn't in the Olymics and didn't have the luxury of selling out the MEN in his pro debut.
The fact of the matter is that Khan hasn't become what we all hoped he would be. We thought he was the new Oscar dela Hoya. He turned out very differently.
That was an overtrained Khan not a prime Khan. Floyd kept him waiting on his decision for their fight so Khan was in training thinking he would get that fight, and the date. When Floyd avoided him, Khan looked for another opponent and arranged a different, later fight date, all while he continued to train. It turned out to be nearly a 15-week training camp for the Algieri fight which is undoubtedly overtraining.
It's more like Khan's just not that good.
No he doesn't. A prime Khan could barely beat Algieri.
That was an overtrained Khan not a prime Khan. Floyd kept him waiting on his decision for their fight so Khan was in training thinking he would get that fight, and the date. When Floyd avoided him, Khan looked for another opponent and arranged a different, later fight date, all while he continued to train. It turned out to be nearly a 15-week training camp for the Algieri fight which is undoubtedly overtraining.
the hate on here is disgusting, seriously guy's im not even a fan of the guy but reading the replies on here is cringeworthy.
To say he's a 'talentless f@ggot with no ring IQ who deserves to get KTFO' is pathetic
Yeah he has no chin, and what? he's a former Olympian, former world champion who even after geting KO'd badly he takes on the most dangerous guy in the division (he asks for maidana) and nearly KO's him in the first round, Takes Huge haymakers throughout the fight and doesnt clinch even on rubbery legs.
respect where its due.
proper losers the lot of you.
Larry. so are you.
:Flush:
Maidana fight was over half a decade ago man..we are talking about current events
the hate on here is disgusting, seriously guy's im not even a fan of the guy but reading the replies on here is cringeworthy.
To say he's a 'talentless f@ggot with no ring IQ who deserves to get KTFO' is pathetic
Yeah he has no chin, and what? he's a former Olympian, former world champion who even after geting KO'd badly he takes on the most dangerous guy in the division (he asks for maidana) and nearly KO's him in the first round, Takes Huge haymakers throughout the fight and doesnt clinch even on rubbery legs.
respect where its due.
proper losers the lot of you.
Larry. so are you.
:Flush:
What does that matter? Khan's 3rd or 4th defence was Paul McCloskey :lol1:
You're just shifting goalposts to suit your argument. Collazo is a just career loser according to your logic. A poor man's Lovemore N'Dou.
Gatekeepers don't come any better, hard as nails.
I said "you could call it" career defining because that's his best fight as a World champion, or is that Frankie Gavin?
You can stop holding on to my every word, so predictable you pick apart Barrera. LOL.
Well, I've always maintained a name or champ, feel free to find a quote of me "contradicting" myself. As a proof, I even say Senchenko is still Brook's 2nd best post-Chaves because while he had no names he at least had a proper title.
Again, let's call Collazo a career loser, lets do that for a second cuz that equates him to Chaves? right? So, it goes to show that Khan fights such guys in his WW debut and that same level of guy is Brook's second best opponent out of 36 now? A 10 plus years career WW we're talking here.
Well there's also the fact that Collazo was 36 or something and recovering from alcoholism. The fact that he was losing to guys like Freddy Hernandez. The fact that his losses in big fights came several years ago whereas Chaves' have been coming in recent times and he's still a relevant fighter.
But anyway, I'm beating a dead horse at the moment. And I mean very dead. You were flatlined yesterday.
I'm basically just pissing on your grave for kicks at the moment.
Not long? 3 years ago, ummm wouldn't it be his supposed prime?
Styles make fights. Like I've said kiddo, stick to what you know.
Ok he lost to Freddy Hernandez 3 years before Khan fought him. That makes the win sound a lot better for Khan :lol1:
And it's cute how you're trying to act condescending after you got absolutely slaughtered yesterday. That's it Box-Office, stiff upper lip! Try to maintain control.