Martinez made too many mistakes. Even at his best, I don't think Martinez could have ever messed with Golovkin but I do wish we'd make these threads after Golovkin faced anyone as good as a prime Martinez, or at least someone close.
Sergio would have lit GGG up for sections of the fight, but if Golovkin kept coming he would probably stop Sergio in the end. Golovkin has great footwork, he wouldn't be lumbering around the ring after Sergio like Pavlik or Jr. He would trap Sergio and punish him and Sergio wouldn't be able to take it.
People forget that peak Sergio was a 154lb fighter. He was at 160 to get the fights. Unless he stops Golovkin with a Williams type wonder shot he won't be able to keep him at a safe distance.
I was a big fan of Sergio but I think GGG kills him. He always had a shaky chin, getting dropped by some of the same guys GGG has destroyed handily. His hands down style gets him wrecked IMO...I think GGG would beat everyone Sergio beat in his career and probably easier at that. Sergio didn't want to fight GGG a few years back either. Dibella knew the deal.
That 12th round with Chavez is when Maravillas run ended. Being hit like that by a guy weighing a good 20 pounds over you damaged the knees to the point of no return.
... Extremely charismatic guy -- a true Argentino...
Actually, in the Proksa post-fight interview, Golovkin called out the Martinez/Chavez Jr. winner... Bad luck, because Martinez emerged physically ruined from that fight.
That 12th round with Chavez is when Maravillas run ended. Being hit like that by a guy weighing a good 20 pounds over you damaged the knees to the point of no return.
Golovkin murders him. Knockout around 8-9.
Sergio is the reason for all this middleweight BS in the first place, tried to cherry pick Cotto only for it to backfire.
Sergio wasn't cherry picking. He was cashing out.
Actually, in the Proksa post-fight interview, Golovkin called out the Martinez/Chavez Jr. winner... Bad luck, because Martinez emerged physically ruined from that fight.
I think Martinez would have huge problems with GGG's jab, and after 3-4 rounds the right hands would start to land and wear him out in a couple of rounds. Sergio was very unconventional and often dropped his hands, bad idea against Golovkin, at some point something big would have landed and Sergio would go down and/or out. GGG KO/TKO in 7-8 rounds.
Sergio is one my favorite fighters of all time along with Roy Jones because of how effective they were able to box with such unorthodox styles. That being said, GGG knocks him out in the 11-12. Sergio has boxing skills too and will find ways to keep GGG off of him. Sergio survives solely on his ability to use the whole ring. But GGG is much too skilled in cutting off the ring and the shots will just overwhelm Maravilla.
GGG would destroy him with ease. This is a guy that lost to Williams and drew with Cintron. GGG eats guys like Williams, Citron and Martinez for breakfast. GGG by one sided KO.
Are you serious?? did you watch that fight? he knocked him out..and somehow got it reversed
Right :lol1:
Martinez knocked him out, outboxed him and was massively ripped off by the judges. Even without the knockout win he should have been awarded, he still should have won the decision.
And, to be fair, Martinez took the first Williams fight on short notice and moved up for it at a time when Williams was considered a pretty dangerous fighter.
That said, I'd still pick GGG. Prime Sergio was mostly a JMW, it's just that his biggest fights came near the end of, and past, his prime up at 160. GGG is a massive puncher and would likely get to Sergio eventually.
Although not exactly in his prime (he was 36 or 37), Martinez and Golovkin share the same opponent in Martin Murray.
Murray knocked Martinez down, but lost a semi-controversial UD, with judges scoring the fight 115-112.
Although it took 11 rounds, Murray lost by TKO vs Golovkin. However what is more telling is that even without the TKO, Murray did not win a SINGLE round against Gennady.
I think that's the part that many people miss about Golovkin - he's barely lost a round ever since he turned pro. Given his olympic & amateur background, he's not an easy guy to outbox. And given that he hasn't even hit the canvas once, it's fair to say that he's not easy to KO either.
Based on those factors, I give Golovkin the edge, even against prime Martinez.
That's correct, but Sergio had already had surgery in that knee after the Chavez jr fight/before the Murray fight... he wasn't near the same guy that fought Pavlik and Williams. So sad the way he destroyed his knee in that chavez fight. He was never the same after that.
- Sergio was a late bloomer, early in his carreer he lost to Margaritto and lost a decision to Cintron. He peaked around the time he KO'ed Williams. But age eventually caught up with him, as you can see in the Murray fight. Sergio picked up boxing later in life. But using Murray as a measuring stick is not a good analogy. GGG still hasnt fought anyone good, thats my point so its hard to see how good he really is.
What? no, he lost a split decision against Williams. And he beat Cintron... he KTFO of cintron... but the ref called it a headbutt after having finished the fight lol. What a robbery.
LOL. You might actually want to watch that fight and not Boxrec it.
I think he exposed himself by stating that, lol. Even the Paul Williams fight many people thought was a robbery, it was a close split decision.
I am a big Maravilla fan, but when was he in his prime? Only for 2 years when he fought Pavlik and Paul Williams for the 2nd time? Shortly after he really struggled with Macklin, after 9/10 rounds that fight was even, alot of people even had Macklin winning the fight until then.
I dont see any version of Sergio making it past 10 rounds vs GGG.
The Macklin version that Sergio fought was better than the 2013-2014 Macklin... but still the "KD" that Macklin scored over Sergio was BS. He put his foot and made Sergio fall, it wasn't a real KD, you should take a look in youtube.
GGG would destroy him with ease. This is a guy that lost to Williams and drew with Cintron. GGG eats guys like Williams, Citron and Martinez for breakfast. GGG by one sided KO.
LOL. You might actually want to watch that fight and not Boxrec it.
Although not exactly in his prime (he was 36 or 37), Martinez and Golovkin share the same opponent in Martin Murray.
Murray knocked Martinez down, but lost a semi-controversial UD, with judges scoring the fight 115-112.
Although it took 11 rounds, Murray lost by TKO vs Golovkin. However what is more telling is that even without the TKO, Murray did not win a SINGLE round against Gennady.
I think that's the part that many people miss about Golovkin - he's barely lost a round ever since he turned pro. Given his olympic & amateur background, he's not an easy guy to outbox. And given that he hasn't even hit the canvas once, it's fair to say that he's not easy to KO either.
Based on those factors, I give Golovkin the edge, even against prime Martinez.
- Sergio was a late bloomer, early in his carreer he lost to Margaritto and lost a decision to Cintron. He peaked around the time he KO'ed Williams. But age eventually caught up with him, as you can see in the Murray fight. Sergio picked up boxing later in life. But using Murray as a measuring stick is not a good analogy. GGG still hasnt fought anyone good, thats my point so its hard to see how good he really is.
I have seen what Sergio was able to do in his prime, againts Paul Williams and Pavlik. But I have yet to see GGG againts someone even close to that quality of an opponenet. So as it stands..I would pic Sergio to win.
Although not exactly in his prime (he was 36 or 37), Martinez and Golovkin share the same opponent in Martin Murray.
Murray knocked Martinez down, but lost a semi-controversial UD, with judges scoring the fight 115-112.
Although it took 11 rounds, Murray lost by TKO vs Golovkin. However what is more telling is that even without the TKO, Murray did not win a SINGLE round against Gennady.
I think that's the part that many people miss about Golovkin - he's barely lost a round ever since he turned pro. Given his olympic & amateur background, he's not an easy guy to outbox. And given that he hasn't even hit the canvas once, it's fair to say that he's not easy to KO either.
Based on those factors, I give Golovkin the edge, even against prime Martinez.