Does Chocolatito really deserve the #1 P4P Spot?

If Ward deserves to be number two, then Gonzalez deserves to be number 1 with a rocket and there should be 100 decimal points between 1 and 2!

Koval doesn't have all the skills that Chocolatito has. Roman can fight out of a boxers form & style when Koval starts to fight he is vunerable because he leaves the boxers form and doesn't put the combos together and moves off them to maintain some defense. He is getting better but Roman does it as part of his style. He is simply the most complete boxer/puncher right now. Those are the two ingrediants that contribute to an exciting ring presense. GGG is again simular and a bit better than Koval but not at the level of Roman. Rigo is fantastic but he prefers to keep his offense on the backside of his defense simular to the way Floyd fought his fights the last years. p4p means ...............taking your present skills and applying them against all comers. So does Roman at 6'3" 225 bring his abilities in against the current heavyweight (Wlad) and be successful? Does Wlad at 5'3" 112lbs bring his abilities to Roman and be successful? Thats what ppv means. Transferring your talents to all the other weight classes, nothing to do with your record, or belt titles or the size of your sisters azz! ppv means the BEST at ANY weight class, period! Roman Rigo GGG Lomo ==but he needs fights, he has talent but experience is a huge key. Koval==still needs to become more calculating, and add defense in with his offense. I think theres young men coming who have the basics to become terrific fighters as long as their defense & offense are equal and their methods & techniques are an intrical part of their form & style and success. Ray

Bradley and Marquez beat P4P #1 ranked Manny. Well whatever spot he had before he lost to Marquez, he claimed it back after beating Bradley (who had taken that spot from MArquez).

Lol how is he lucky to crack the list? Bradley was the #3 P4P fighter (because he beat #3 Marquez in 2013, who had beaten #2/3 Pacquiao in 2012) behind Mayweather/Ward when Manny beat him in 2014. Ward got removed shortly after because of inactivity so he moved up to #2. So the #2 fighter (Pac) lost to the #1 fighter (May) and for some reason because of that, the 8 other guys behind him suddenly jump over the guy? Just because he lost to the guy ranked above him doesn't bring you down below other people if they don't deserve it. Bradley and Marquez beat P4P #1 ranked Manny.

He definitely ranks below Gonzalez. 11-0 since 2012, including 4 successful title defenses against world class opposition. You can't expect to hold on to a place on a p4p list with mixed results. Oh for sure. I mean if you think some guys moved ahead of him, I can agree. But to drop him completely to the bottom of the top 10 because he lost is malpractice. He was #2 before the Mayweather loss. Since that time, there's maybe like 3-4 fighters who you can argue moved past him.

Just because he lost to the guy ranked above him doesn't bring you down below other people if they don't deserve it. He definitely ranks below Gonzalez. 11-0 since 2012, including 4 successful title defenses against world class opposition. You can't expect to hold on to a place on a p4p list with mixed results.

he's beaten two titlists (niida and yaegashi), two former titlists (sosa and viloria) and three fighters who won titles after being beaten by him (takayama, estrada and rodriguez jr). i consider this last category very telling in determining a fighter's quality of opposition. kovalev, another p4p fighter, has so far beaten none. neither has golovkin, although murray could change that next month. ward, like gonzalez, has three: kessler, abraham and froch. for the hell of it i checked mayweather and he currently has seven on his record by my count. pacquiao, i believe, has five (soon to be six)

I think he's well schooled, and has beaten the best at or around his weight class. I just don't get as drawn in to fights at that weight. Perhaps I'm being narrow minded. I don't get impressed by energy and output at those weights, because the little guys all have that in spades. Though Chocolatito (sp?) as I said is well schooled and has a good Knockout percentage so good for him

P4P is an elusive concept. But he fights very regularly, which is high on my criteria. Why not give it to him?? Sure Ward was in legal battles, but I only want to focus on ring battles.

OR... this could be the wannabe "in the know" boxer putting RG as #1 to appear more knowledgable since they have a guy most people never watch as the top P4P guy...just saying. And I get P4P is subjective. It also depends on what you base it on. Some guys go on accomplishments. Some go who truly the most skilled/hardest to beat which is what I do. Like Lomachenko has less than 10 fights...but he's demonstrated that he might be the most skilled boxer in the game. He really doesn't have a weakness. His amateur record has to even be factored. Yes it's subjective, but one must also be able to rationalize their list. There are multiple right answers but there are certainly some wrong ones. Not saying RG is wrong, but I don't understand how he's more deserving than some of these others. Sure that could be the case as well, but for us that do pay attention to the scene from 105-122 then putting Roman that high is something we can say is justified. I personally have thought highly of him on a pound for pound basis dating back to 2010 so he has continued to improve his resume since then all the while showing beautiful Boxing skills. I have no problem w/putting (or some one else for that matter) Chocolatito at #1. It is not my fault that other people weren't aware of him til the Sosa bout. Ya know?

He's torn through 3 weight divisions. Keeps an active schedule all while defending his crown on the road. To boot the guy looks spectacular in each outing. Rigo needs to get back in the ring. The longer he's inactive, the more he'll continue to fall on people's p4p lists. As for Manny, he's lucky to even crack the list. Losses to Mayweather and Marquez far overshadow beating the likes of Algieri, Rios and Bradley. Lol how is he lucky to crack the list? Bradley was the #3 P4P fighter (because he beat #3 Marquez in 2013, who had beaten #2/3 Pacquiao in 2012) behind Mayweather/Ward when Manny beat him in 2014. Ward got removed shortly after because of inactivity so he moved up to #2. So the #2 fighter (Pac) lost to the #1 fighter (May) and for some reason because of that, the 8 other guys behind him suddenly jump over the guy? Just because he lost to the guy ranked above him doesn't bring you down below other people if they don't deserve it.

Definitely higher than the two I highlighted and possibly higher than Rigo cos that guy must be retired by now. But yeah, Pac, GGG, Kovalev and Wlad all higher. Wlad is my no. 1. How anyone could have somebody that is the Big Klit as number 1 is beyond me.

I don't have him #1 but based on the eye test, I'm fine with it. He beat a top 20 P4P fighter in Estrada and great fighters in his division. Really, whoever your #2 was before Floyd retired, that fighter have been #1 after Sept 13th.

Just because he is little guy doesn't mean he can't be P4P. I think he can box very very good. He is effective and entertaining. He is undefeated and have a lot of KO in a division where is hard to KO because their lack of real power. I can't say he is #1 but he deserve to be on top.

Should be higher than ward and loma that's for Damn sure. Not higher than klitch or rigo or manny. In fact Manny should be #1 He's torn through 3 weight divisions. Keeps an active schedule all while defending his crown on the road. To boot the guy looks spectacular in each outing. Rigo needs to get back in the ring. The longer he's inactive, the more he'll continue to fall on people's p4p lists. As for Manny, he's lucky to even crack the list. Losses to Mayweather and Marquez far overshadow beating the likes of Algieri, Rios and Bradley.

This is my question, Roman has been ranked #2 for the past year. Hardly anyone complaind about his ranking. But now that his ranked #1 it's a problem. So what is the big deal, we knew he was going to be ranked #1 since May but now that it has happen people are complaining.

IMO, Absolutely the most deserving. I think this is the ignorance of the casual/pretend to be serious Boxing fan not being aware of the scene below Featherweight. OR... this could be the wannabe "in the know" boxer putting RG as #1 to appear more knowledgable since they have a guy most people never watch as the top P4P guy...just saying. And I get P4P is subjective. It also depends on what you base it on. Some guys go on accomplishments. Some go who truly the most skilled/hardest to beat which is what I do. Like Lomachenko has less than 10 fights...but he's demonstrated that he might be the most skilled boxer in the game. He really doesn't have a weakness. His amateur record has to even be factored. Yes it's subjective, but one must also be able to rationalize their list. There are multiple right answers but there are certainly some wrong ones. Not saying RG is wrong, but I don't understand how he's more deserving than some of these others.

IMO, Absolutely the most deserving. I think this is the ignorance of the casual/pretend to be serious Boxing fan not being aware of the scene below Featherweight.

Should be higher than ward and loma that's for Damn sure. Not higher than klitch or rigo or manny. In fact Manny should be #1

Pound for pound can't be proven. It is just people's opinion and there will never be a unanimous number 1 pound for pound guy although Mayweather came close. There are no right or wrong answers, only opinions. Gonzalez can't fight GGG or Ward or Wlad to prove he is better than they are. If you don't think Gonzalez is number 1 then that's the right answer for you. If someone thinks Gonzalez is the best pound for pound then that is the right answer for them. I think there is a strong case for Gonzalez being number 1. He has faced good opposition and has won 44 fights with no draws or losses and he won most of his fights by KO. I have seen him fight and I love what I see. GGG, Kovalev and Gonzalez are my top three pound for pound boxers. They all seem unbeatable at the weight class they fight at. My top three might not make it onto other fans top 10 pound for pound. Oh well. That's the way pound for pound is. Just personal opinions that can't be proven. Many guys on this board take pound for pound way to seriously and will call you names if your choices are different than their choices.