Can Pacquiao finish his career and be considered equal to or better than Floyd

The Canelo fight could've done a lot for his claim BUT he drained the kid!!!!! What a coward. Smh. And on top of all of this, the IV scandal is LEGIT and is just getting started. He could've been juicing for years. We don't know. Two things: Do you give Pac credit for Cotto or is Pac also a coward? Cotto was also drained, so that means Pac, by your own reasoning and mouth, is a coward and doesn't deserve any credit for the Cotto win. Second, you just said 'we don't know'. Therefore, nothing is legit because no one knows anything and that means Pac has as much suspicion as Floyd does. Floyd has his IV and Pac has his 'unknown' suspicious Ariza shakes which Ariza leaned from Memo, not to mention Pac dodging the WADA testing.

Barrera x2, Morales 2x, Marquez are his overall top wins, wich are certainly better than Corrales and Castillo. But then, there's a ****load of fighters who were pretty good: Ledbwaba, Eliecer Julio, Oscar Larios, Sasakul. Wich in my view are better than Hernandez, Angel Manfredy and Carlos Hernandez. Again - Their Career at Welterweight is pretty much the same so i don't care. Legacy wise, they're pretty equal (Floyd's victory over Pacquiao crows his own career). You've got to learn your boxing then kid. As to your first point...Why didn't you mention Cotto, Oscar, Marquez, Pacquiao, Hatton and Canelo for Floyd or did he not fight and beat those guys?

If you went by this forum it would seem like people worship Manny and Floyd but the reason both got so big in real life was the rivalry. People want to see how a rivalry ends. With one gone the other won't be nearly as popular. Despite how much their fans hate each other, both fighters would probably be buried in tax debt if they hadn't saved each other's financial lives with that rivalry.

Didn't Manny drain several opponents himself? That would make him a coward as well, wouldn't it? Or no? For the love of God, didn't Pac win FOTD? Cant Floyd for once just take a risk and stop trying to protect the zero. Cant he take a risk and in a way stick two fingers up at the people who thought Pac was FOTD and put in a performance and risk that states that categorically that Pac isn't the FOTD and that Floyd should have been? But no, instead Floyd just uses CWs. Didn't Floyd want to be TBE? Well don't ask for CWs against opponents that aren't that good in the first place. Canelo barely beat Trout. He didn't hospitalize SSM so what was Floyd so worried about? Its that zero against isn't it? Floyd needs to come out of retirement and get in the ring with GGG at 160

If he can pull of wins against some of the younger guys such as Brook, Garcia, Thurman, Crawford or Khan? Floyd has no one on his resume that can compete with Morales and Barrera IMO and all of there common opponents besides Marquez were beaten In more spectacular fashion by Pacquiao. On the flip side, Floyd did get the win over Manny and rightfully so. On that note and as of right now, Floyd should be ranked higher. But what If Pacquiao Is able to make a run and dispose of some of these highly ranked young guns particularly against some of the names mentioned above. At the end of the day do these two finish as equals? If not who deserves to be ranked higher based on what they accomplished In the ring and In there careers. This thread Is not Intended as a bash thread targeted at either fighter. We have enough of that on a daily basis. I am just curious as to what others opinions are on where these to fighters stand when comparing there resumes and career accomplishments. Sugar Ray Robinson! But for me, I like Both Floyd and PAC. But I realize that many good fighters don't get a lot of play in the US. I think Floyd is by far the tetter boxer. I bet against PAC when they fought. I think Marquez is better than PAC, but comes from a long line, a long history of great Mexican boxers. I think Ricardo lopez is better than PAC. But PAC has that great story, and America loves the underdog! Maybe the whole world does. But honestly, Floyd is the better boxer. Has better pre fight negotiation skills, and gets it done! I strongly believe Castilo beat him in the first fight! I am guessing that if he didn't have bad hands. He would have had many more knock outs! If I factor that in, it adds points to floyd! PAC beat a lot of the guys Floyd beat first, damaged goods. PAC did it in a more dramatic style, but Hatton was already on Coke after Floyd stopped him! De la Hoya was not quick enough to do much, and if memory serves me, no catch weight to handicap DLH. I would love to see manny face those young lions, but I don't want to see him get hurt! Age, wear and tear, etc! But PAC wins the charisma fight. Floyd wins in the ring. HBO used all of its power to create a super star, manny added to that by knocking guys out. HBO will use all of it's marketing strategy to push the next great thing. Showtime also will do this, manufacture consent and popularity. See Edward Bernays, he was a master!

All great posts and It has remained pretty civil which Is In and of Itself a shock. For the record, I am In no way shape or form a Floyd fan but there Is no doubt that he won on May 2nd. I watched the fight 4 times and scored It 8-4 each time. I really have no Idea how anyone could have had Pac winning a decision.

Robin is the most weakass sidekick ever though tbh. Special abilities: ride motorcycle. Robin was nice with his hands. His outfit was a little too Village People-ish though.

Yup. But the one sided nature of Floyd's boxing lesson drops him down a few notches. He will always be Robin to Floyd's Batman. Nothing wrong with that. Robin was a solid sidekick. Robin is the most weakass sidekick ever though tbh. Special abilities: ride motorcycle.

If he would've been capable of beating Floyd, that would piss all over the Barerra win. Yup. But the one sided nature of Floyd's boxing lesson drops him down a few notches. He will always be Robin to Floyd's Batman. Nothing wrong with that. Robin was a solid sidekick.

Possible but not likely. He could shoot for the Alvarez-Cotto winner as a start.

In a lot of peoples' eyes, manny already beat floyd. If you are truly unbiased, you would realize all floyd did was run all night and he couldnt land anything significant on manny whereas manny had floyd hurt several times. and then even if you did have floyd winning, you have to consider a) manny was fighting one-handed and wasnt allowed to get his pain-killing shots b) its very likely floyd was using peds for this fight at the moment, i already have manny above floyd and thats unlikely to change, especially with floyds entire career now being heavily suspect of ped abuse Looooooooooooooool. That was funny.

In a lot of peoples' eyes, manny already beat floyd. If you are truly unbiased, you would realize all floyd did was run all night and he couldnt land anything significant on manny whereas manny had floyd hurt several times. and then even if you did have floyd winning, you have to consider a) manny was fighting one-handed and wasnt allowed to get his pain-killing shots b) its very likely floyd was using peds for this fight at the moment, i already have manny above floyd and thats unlikely to change, especially with floyds entire career now being heavily suspect of ped abuse

The Canelo fight could've done a lot for his claim BUT he drained the kid!!!!! What a coward. Smh. Didn't Manny drain several opponents himself? That would make him a coward as well, wouldn't it? Or no?

Manny.... I have Manny ranked above Floyd all-time. For you to automatically assume that Floyd is ranked above Manny, is Fanboyish, in my opinion. Based on what is he above Manny, all-time? He's not. Manny's resume STOMPS Floyd's. Manny has NEVER ducked a challenge. Manny will fight anyone, anytime, anywhere. He will fight in another country, venue, etc. He doesn't care what gloves you are wearing, he doesn't fight to survive in the ring. He isn't a dirty fighter, no pun intended. Skill for skill, Manny matches Floyd as well. You all just don't want to admit what you saw on May 2nd, 2015. Floyd has always been an overrated talent. with no killer instinct. I was a huge fan until he became is own boss. It made him richer BUT it turned him into a WWE character. Manny is an ATG in my eyes. His run at Welterweight was the icing on the cake. When he retires, he will have nothing else to prove. Floyd on the other hand, is really just a HOF'mer with an inflated resume. There are no dangerous opponent's on his record when he fought them. Whether you like it or not, this will be considered when ranking him all-time. He did this to himself. He was a lot of mouth but not a lot of bark. The Canelo fight could've done a lot for his claim BUT he drained the kid!!!!! What a coward. Smh. And on top of all of this, the IV scandal is LEGIT and is just getting started. He could've been juicing for years. We don't know.

What win can he realistically achieve that is better than Barrera? If he would've been capable of beating Floyd, that would piss all over the Barerra win.

Why compare? Pacquiao will go down as one of the best fighters of our era, so will Mayweather. Who's better is a matter of opinion.

I suppose it depends. I can't tell what he'd have to do to reach that point but we'll see I guess.

I respect Pacquiao a lot and he had a great run of 2-3 years, but overall i can't find any possible way he is above Floyd. And a one sided victory in their fight just put an exclamation point on it. And that's not putting Pacquiao down, he is/was great. Both are excellent elite fighters though but for me Floyd is a notch above him. They will both be remembered as ATG's, their names will forever be linked together but when the fanboyism dies down and time moves on and all they are is fighters of yesteryear in the history books, i think Floyd will be remembered as the very best from this era and will always have a W over Pacquiao when it's all done and dusted. We can argue about that fight and the rivalry all day but that's how i feel the general feeling will be as time moves on.

It would depend on who is making the call on which one of them is better. Mayweather fans will always rated Mayweather above Pacquiao and Pacquiao fans will go with Pacquiao. I think most neutral fans will stick with Mayweather because he won every pro fight he ever had and he beat so many champions and ex champions.

What win can he realistically achieve that is better than Barrera?