Why do some keep insisting that GGG go up and fight Ward?

GGG has unfinished business at 160. The only one that has no business to handle is Andre Ward. Cotto's fighting Canelo for big money on ppv. GGG's waiting for the winner. Why move up in weight to fight an extremely high risk low reward fighter in Ward. Then have to possibly come back down for the Cotto/Canelo winner. It doesn't make sense. Ward has nothing and is trying to bait GGG into making that stupid decision of going up and fighting him for peanuts, take a huge chance of losing to him, which would give the Cotto/Canelo winner an excuse to avoid him. Ward has nothing at all, has done nothing for years. He should be bending over backwards to fight GGG or Kovalev. Why doesn't he show any interest in Kovalev? Instead he wants to play A side. GGG never said he would be willing to fight Ward at 168 and obviously Froch and Chavez are not on Wards level. GGG probably feels like he can beat Froch and Chavez without having to make the full 168 limit. I think he beats them coming in at 162. These guys don't have Wards defensive skill and bring way more money and viewers to the table. Is Ward scared of the Krusher?... :thinking:

Comments (20)

Barcham

Why do people make a thread title and then post a poll in the thread that is off topic?

10y ago

Jubei

It's a superfight for very few hardcore fans right now. Let these guys build the fight, let GGG collect the belts and let Ward actually have some decent fights, because since the Super 6 (which ended in 2011) Ward has been very inactive and only fought three times: Dawson, Rodriguez and Paul Smith, he lost alot of momentum and has to rebuild that. The money and demand has to be right, and right now the money is no way right because the demand from the public isnt there just yet. Even though Ward was a P4P fighter, right now he lost that spot and has to reclaim it first and that can only happen by beating good fighters like Degale or Gilberto Ramirez, maybe Groves or Andre Dirrel, he could also move to germany to fight Abraham again, if Sauerland would make that fight. I wish the trolling and hating about these fighters would stop and people wouldn't try to reflect the most obvious reasons why this fight needs more buildup and can happen next year.

10y ago

PBP

Maybe not now, but if Cotto beats Canelo impressively I'd expect there to be people to pick him to beat GGG. True. Cotto beating Canelo would be a huge shakeup

10y ago

BrometheusBob

The difference is nobody in the history of the world is picking Cotto to beat GGG. It's not a good matchup at all and is a mismatch. The only thing that fight does is prove what we already know, that GGG wiould obliterate Miguel Cotto. GGG would be paid a lot of money for that mismatch if that's what people feel is more important but it's not a competitive fight. While I think Canelo beats GGG, that fight is not a given as Canelo hasn't even decided what weight he wants to fight at. He has shown in the past that he does not care about or need belts so the WBC mandatory thing will not affect any of his decisions. Maybe not now, but if Cotto beats Canelo impressively I'd expect there to be people to pick him to beat GGG.

10y ago

Fetta

Because its a superfight! Very few left and 2 invovle Ward. If ward goes up dont think he will come back down and theres goes ggg/ward.

10y ago

torosboxing75

And? He still had no problem moving up and then back down with Froch. You can pretend not to know why if it fits your agenda.

10y ago

torosboxing75

Wasn't a problem when he was negotiating with Froch though. Froch and Ward are on two different levels and Froch would probably be the A side vs GGG. Regardless Froch brings viewers/money to the table.

10y ago

torosboxing75

The difference is nobody in the history of the world is picking Cotto to beat GGG. It's not a good matchup at all and is a mismatch. The only thing that fight does is prove what we already know, that GGG wiould obliterate Miguel Cotto. GGG would be paid a lot of money for that mismatch if that's what people feel is more important but it's not a competitive fight. While I think Canelo beats GGG, that fight is not a given as Canelo hasn't even decided what weight he wants to fight at. He has shown in the past that he does not care about or need belts so the WBC mandatory thing will not affect any of his decisions. Cotto is the middleweight champ right now and needs to defend his strap against the best. I like Cotto. He's my favorite fighter right now but I defend no one. I wanted him to fight GGG before Canelo. I'm a boxing fan first. I do feel if Gabe Rosado lasted what 9 rounds, Cotto goes the distance. GGG's had lesser foes survive him. Cotto might stop GGG with body shots. He didn't seem to take them to good vs Monroe.

10y ago

PBP

The bold is the same problem with GGG going up then coming back for the winner of Cotto/Canelo. The difference is nobody in the history of the world is picking Cotto to beat GGG. It's not a good matchup at all and is a mismatch. The only thing that fight does is prove what we already know, that GGG wiould obliterate Miguel Cotto. GGG would be paid a lot of money for that mismatch if that's what people feel is more important but it's not a competitive fight. While I think Canelo beats GGG, that fight is not a given as Canelo hasn't even decided what weight he wants to fight at. He has shown in the past that he does not care about or need belts so the WBC mandatory thing will not affect any of his decisions.

10y ago

torosboxing75

Too early for that. Kovalev/Pascal is already scheduled, Ward is coming off a significant layoff and he hasn't even planned his next move yet. He wanted GGG and Kovalev because it would give him wins over 2 of the top 10 best fighters in the world and put him at the pinnacle of the sport. So naturally, it would make sense to fight GGG at 168, beat him, and then go after Kovalev instead of beating Kovalev and having to go back down in weight. Since GGG's team has essentially said "we can't beat you at 168 but if you give put yourself at a disadvantage we will try", we will see how this affects Ward's future plans. The bold is the same problem with GGG going up then coming back for the winner of Cotto/Canelo. It makes more sense to fight the Cotto/Canelo winner then move up.

10y ago

PBP

Agreed. That's why I'm starting to believe Ward is scared of Kovalev. It's obvious GGG's team don't want Ward right now and for good reason. Ward has no excuse to not move up and face the Krusher. Too early for that. Kovalev/Pascal is already scheduled, Ward is coming off a significant layoff and he hasn't even planned his next move yet. He wanted GGG and Kovalev because it would give him wins over 2 of the top 10 best fighters in the world and put him at the pinnacle of the sport. So naturally, it would make sense to fight GGG at 168, beat him, and then go after Kovalev instead of beating Kovalev and having to go back down in weight. Since GGG's team has essentially said "we can't beat you at 168 but if you give put yourself at a disadvantage we will try", we will see how this affects Ward's future plans.

10y ago

torosboxing75

Any boxing fan should want to see the best fight the best. GGG and Ward were thought to have been two of the best. But at this stage, it's clear that one side has no confidence that their fighter can go up to 168 and beat Ward so it kind of kills the idea of a super fight. At this stage it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that Ward will win. No need for the fight anymore. Agreed. That's why I'm starting to believe Ward is scared of Kovalev. It's obvious GGG's team don't want Ward right now and for good reason. Ward has no excuse to not move up and face the Krusher.

10y ago

PBP

I don't know why people are so desperate to make it happen. It's like you said Ward will get no credit for making a middleweight go up to fight him. Ward Kovalev is the fight to be made. Any boxing fan should want to see the best fight the best. GGG and Ward were thought to have been two of the best. But at this stage, it's clear that one side has no confidence that their fighter can go up to 168 and beat Ward so it kind of kills the idea of a super fight. At this stage it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that Ward will win. No need for the fight anymore.

10y ago

torosboxing75

I'm changing my stance on this. Who would want to see Ward easily school GGG and get no credit for it? GGG is too small, his team has no confidence in him beating Ward, his fans have no confidence in beating Ward, so the fight makes no sense anymore. I don't know why people are so desperate to make it happen. It's like you said Ward will get no credit for making a middleweight go up to fight him. Ward Kovalev is the fight to be made.

10y ago

PBP

10y ago

otrocubiche

It might be because "every body from 154 to 168" includes everybody, but he does have unfinished business at 160 and a whole lot more money to make there.

10y ago

AllBoxingAD

GGG fans are ****ting bricks at the prospect of him fighting a top fighter. Its quite a turnaround from the days of GGG being the most feared fighter in boxing. Anyway, my stance on both fights is the same. If GGG fights Ward, its gotta be at 168. If Ward fights Kovalev, its gotta be at 175. Its pretty simple.

10y ago

torosboxing75

They're more than a division away now. Golovkin is still barely cutting to make 160 and Ward just fought at 172. Ward and Kovalev aren't even 1 division apart anymore. They are technically both light heavyweights until we see if Ward can still make 168. They have about the same height and reach as well. It's a far more interesting fight. I'm not sure how much credit Ward would even get for beating GGG at his full weight, and I do think Ward would win. This is a very manufactured rivalry where each guy takes turns pretending to want it when the other withdraws their offer. It's not an organic, inevitable fight. Whoever gets their weight demand basically wins since we either get a deathly drained Ward or an outsized Golovkin. Exactly! I think most people here know better but are to busy with agendas.

10y ago

5310

Insist? Because it's one of the best fights that can be made in boxing . 2 p4p guys a division away? Why shouldn't they fight?They're more than a division away now. Golovkin is still barely cutting to make 160 and Ward just fought at 172. Ward and Kovalev aren't even 1 division apart anymore. They are technically both light heavyweights until we see if Ward can still make 168. They have about the same height and reach as well. It's a far more interesting fight. I'm not sure how much credit Ward would even get for beating GGG at his full weight, and I do think Ward would win. This is a very manufactured rivalry where each guy takes turns pretending to want it when the other withdraws their offer. It's not an organic, inevitable fight. Whoever gets their weight demand basically wins since we either get a deathly drained Ward or an outsized Golovkin.

10y ago

Deevel916

Ward fights Closer to Kov's weight class than he does GGG's. Ward last fought at 172lbs. Kov fights at 175lbs. 3lb difference whereas there's a 12lb difference from where GGG fights and Ward last fought.

10y ago