In 2015, Frampton. Khan has fought better fighters but in 2015, he ain't sh1t imo.
Truth ... Frampton is climbing the mountain, Khan is rolling down.
Frampton is an up & coming future star ... Khan's career is on the verge of fizzling out due to inactivity and a persistent unwillingness to face upper tier opponents. And in this regard, I'm talking about Khan actually facing opponents, not just talking about it. Many tend to look at Khan from a rear-view mirror perspective as they wonder what could have been, if only he had taken a chance.
Well, I can't compare the two. One is a young recent champ. The other has been in the game especially World level for longer. However, Frampton is a very complete fighter, well you can never be "complete" in literal sense, but you get the point. Khan not so much. So, skill wise I rate Carl higher, but of course resume wise it is Khan, but as stated earlier you can't compare the two.
That's a ridiculous comparison.
Frampton has beaten good named and holds a proper world title, Santa Cruz fights no name after no name.
Brook is the UK's current best fighter, followed by Frampton, Degale and Khan.
Of course this doesn't include resume as a measuring stick.
Kiko is decent but algieri is better
And it doesn't matter if Gonzalez becomes the next Alexis arguello, at the time when Frampton fought him, he was nothing more than a fringe fighter, and proved it in the fight..
Let Frampton beat quigg before we start proclaiming him the best UK fighter
Gonzalez proved to be a very formidable opponent for Frampton, as always you can read two ways into these things. You can say that Frampton really is an elite talent and the fact that Gonzalez gave him such a good fight is because Gonzalez is a genuine contender, or you can say that Gonzalez really isn't up to much and therefore the reason he competed so well against him was because Frampton is not truly an elite fighter. You cannot judge a fighter solely upon his opponents, I mean how do you know the opponents are good? At some point you will be forced to judge a fighter with your eyes. I'm proclaiming Frampton the best right now and have been for a while, if he loses to the likes of Santa Cruz, Mares or Quigg then i'll admit that I was wrong.
Kiko Martinez is a good fighter and he wasn't handpicked. Is Porter actually better than Martinez? Maybe but if so then not by much. It is how good you look against the standard of opponent, yes Brook defeated Porter and DeGale defeated Dirrell but only narrowly. Frampton stopped Martinez and widely decisioned him in the rematch. Algieri isn't better than Kiko Martinez and Gonzalez looked good against Frampton and might turn out to be a lot more than a 'fringe prospect'. Everyone is a fringe prospect at some point.
Kiko is decent but algieri is better
And it doesn't matter if Gonzalez becomes the next Alexis arguello, at the time when Frampton fought him, he was nothing more than a fringe fighter, and proved it in the fight..
Let Frampton beat quigg before we start proclaiming him the best UK fighter
Frampton hasn't beaten anyone as good as undefeated Porter...
Khan, degale, and Brook are fighting legit proven world class guys,,, Frampton still fighting handpicked guys.. So yeah he is gonna look better...
Like I said earlier, algieri is better than anyone Frampton has faced, and people crap on khan for taking that fight... Whereas Frampton gets praise showered down by being dropped twice by a fringe prospect..
If your only going by who looks good in the ring, the. Anthony Joshua is the best fighter in the UK
Kiko Martinez is a good fighter and he wasn't handpicked. Is Porter actually better than Martinez? Maybe but if so then not by much. It is how good you look against the standard of opponent, yes Brook defeated Porter and DeGale defeated Dirrell but only narrowly. Frampton stopped Martinez and widely decisioned him in the rematch. Algieri isn't better than Kiko Martinez and Gonzalez looked good against Frampton and might turn out to be a lot more than a 'fringe prospect'. Everyone is a fringe prospect at some point.
Molitor was past prime, absolutely, the point was even he was better than anyone Santa Cruz has faced. Santa Cruz doesn't have any good wins, I don't think Fury has a win better than the Martinez KO either.
So, the point being made is Frampton is a far more talented fighter than Santa Cruz as well as having better wins. That comparison is completely off in my eyes.
I believe Brook to be the best fighter in the UK, I then see Frampton, Degale and Khan. It's based on the skills you see from each guy and Frampton is a very skilled and very complete fighter. I don't mind you putting others above him if you want to base it on resume, but Santa Cruz is not comparable in any sense.
I will concede Frampton has had better career than Santa cruz... I was just using it as an analogy.. In terms of where they are at in each's country, both are about in the same place.. Unproven in major fights and clearly not on the level of fellow domestic fighters
I don't see how Brook's opposition has been superior to Frampton's and yet you put him above Frampton. Of course Khan has fought better names, one of the reasons for that is because he has been around longer! Surely it is about who is the best as it stands at this present moment, I think Frampton is a better fighter than Khan, Brook and DeGale right now.
Frampton hasn't beaten anyone as good as undefeated Porter...
Khan, degale, and Brook are fighting legit proven world class guys,,, Frampton still fighting handpicked guys.. So yeah he is gonna look better...
Like I said earlier, algieri is better than anyone Frampton has faced, and people crap on khan for taking that fight... Whereas Frampton gets praise showered down by being dropped twice by a fringe prospect..
If your only going by who looks good in the ring, the. Anthony Joshua is the best fighter in the UK
Frampton has beaten more known names, but those aren't great wins, just great Matchmaking.. Molitor was way past it but a name.
My whole point is that frampton isn't ahead of guys like khan, Brook and is the best UK fighter, that's absurd.. Just like Santa cruz isn't ahead of guys like mares or donaire
Frampton shows potential, has some solid wins but has yet to be in a major fight, so I don't know how you can have him above guys that have won major fights..
Algieri is a tougher out than anyone frampton has faced..
Khan
Brook
Groves
DeGale
Fury
All have better wins than Frampton, so how can he be the top dog... It makes no sense, hence why I said he is basically the UK Santa cruz.. Neither has done anything to warrant being the best of their country
Molitor was past prime, absolutely, the point was even he was better than anyone Santa Cruz has faced. Santa Cruz doesn't have any good wins, I don't think Fury has a win better than the Martinez KO either.
So, the point being made is Frampton is a far more talented fighter than Santa Cruz as well as having better wins. That comparison is completely off in my eyes.
I believe Brook to be the best fighter in the UK, I then see Frampton, Degale and Khan. It's based on the skills you see from each guy and Frampton is a very skilled and very complete fighter. I don't mind you putting others above him if you want to base it on resume, but Santa Cruz is not comparable in any sense.
Frampton has beaten more known names, but those aren't great wins, just great Matchmaking.. Molitor was way past it but a name.
My whole point is that frampton isn't ahead of guys like khan, Brook and is the best UK fighter, that's absurd.. Just like Santa cruz isn't ahead of guys like mares or donaire
Frampton shows potential, has some solid wins but has yet to be in a major fight, so I don't know how you can have him above guys that have won major fights..
Algieri is a tougher out than anyone frampton has faced..
Khan
Brook
Groves
DeGale
Fury
All have better wins than Frampton, so how can he be the top dog... It makes no sense, hence why I said he is basically the UK Santa cruz.. Neither has done anything to warrant being the best of their country
I don't see how Brook's opposition has been superior to Frampton's and yet you put him above Frampton. Of course Khan has fought better names, one of the reasons for that is because he has been around longer! Surely it is about who is the best as it stands at this present moment, I think Frampton is a better fighter than Khan, Brook and DeGale right now.
Santa Cruz is garbage, he's nowhere near Frampton in the talent department.
As for resume, Santa Cruz has nobody on his. Martinez x2, Avalos and even Molitor are levels above anyone LSC has faced.
Frampton won his world title by beating a champion, it wasn't a vacant belt.
Frampton has beaten more known names, but those aren't great wins, just great Matchmaking.. Molitor was way past it but a name.
My whole point is that frampton isn't ahead of guys like khan, Brook and is the best UK fighter, that's absurd.. Just like Santa cruz isn't ahead of guys like mares or donaire
Frampton shows potential, has some solid wins but has yet to be in a major fight, so I don't know how you can have him above guys that have won major fights..
Algieri is a tougher out than anyone frampton has faced..
Khan
Brook
Groves
DeGale
Fury
All have better wins than Frampton, so how can he be the top dog... It makes no sense, hence why I said he is basically the UK Santa cruz.. Neither has done anything to warrant being the best of their country
Remind me again who frampton has beaten to establish himself,,,
Did he beat rigo, mares, or doanire for a belt...
Only a fanboy would think frampton is levels above Santa cruz in resume department or talent...
Neither has accomplished much at this point except be carefully guided to paper titles
Santa Cruz is garbage, he's nowhere near Frampton in the talent department.
As for resume, Santa Cruz has nobody on his. Martinez x2, Avalos and even Molitor are levels above anyone LSC has faced.
Frampton won his world title by beating a champion, it wasn't a vacant belt.
I'm saying in terms of career acheivements... Both are yet to be proven and have been carefully guided to paper titles...
Their next big fight will be their first, pretty much
Well even if that is accurate about their career comparisons at present I think Frampton would stand a lot better chance of beating the best in the division than Santa Cruz. I'm not sure how it can be said that they are not proven, neither have fought the very best in the division yet but they have both been in good fights. The problem with Santa Cruz is that he has been treading water for quite a while now although this Mares fight might be different, that is if Mares is anything like his old self which is a bit questionable at the moment.
Why do you say that? He is a lot more talented than Santa Cruz.
I'm saying in terms of career acheivements... Both are yet to be proven and have been carefully guided to paper titles...
Their next big fight will be their first, pretty much
That's a ridiculous comparison.
Frampton has beaten good named and holds a proper world title, Santa Cruz fights no name after no name.
Brook is the UK's current best fighter, followed by Frampton, Degale and Khan.
Remind me again who frampton has beaten to establish himself,,,
Did he beat rigo, mares, or doanire for a belt...
Only a fanboy would think frampton is levels above Santa cruz in resume department or talent...
Neither has accomplished much at this point except be carefully guided to paper titles
No way
Khan
Brook
Degale
Frampton is basically the UK Santa cruz
That's a ridiculous comparison.
Frampton has beaten good named and holds a proper world title, Santa Cruz fights no name after no name.
Brook is the UK's current best fighter, followed by Frampton, Degale and Khan.
At five ft four no way frampton should move up weight.
Frampton is billed at 5"5 and said he struggled with weight so might move up. To put things into context, Rigo is 5"4; andmay move up to fight a big 126 in Lomachenko. Donaire also weighed 140 vs Rigo who weighed 126 on fight night. But I agree with you, he struggled with the reach last night and I'm more confident Rigoking beats him although I like both.