Supermiddle Weight isn't That Deep of a Division

Winning the World Amateurs or a medal gets you qualified for Olympics. They clearly are not the same when one is used as a stepping stone for the other. p.s. I don't agree with the premise of using amateur credentials to call one division better than the other. Is the competition level somehow better in the Olympics than at the Worlds? It's all about the draw and political setup of the hosting country.

So Geale isn't a good fighter, the guy was ranked #2 in the division when GGG fought him. So a guy ranked #2 out of thousands of middleweights isn't good? This isn't even about GGG, stop ****ting on the warriors of the sport because they don't perform to your standards. Man, stop acting like MW is a loaded division because it isn't. Geale is an ok fighter, that's it. He just lost to Miguel freaking Cotto, a guy that has no business at middleweight! I'm not crapping on fighters, I'm just not a fanboy that has to build up fighters into something they aren't to try and make a fighter I like look better. I call it how it is. As i've said, I think GGG is a great fighter, but his resume isn't. That's not a knock on GGG. The good fighters in his division are avoiding him, but that doesn't mean I have to elevate the ones that are just ok so GGG looks better. That's what fanboys do bro. Stop it.

Murray was the only decent name out of that list. :lol1: @ Rosado. You mean the guy who came up from 154 that wasn't ranked at middleweight, that Rosado? GGG is a good fighter man, no need to try and gas up something we all know isn't that impressive. His skills are impressive enough. So Geale isn't a good fighter, the guy was ranked #2 in the division when GGG fought him. So a guy ranked #2 out of thousands of middleweights isn't good? This isn't even about GGG, stop ****ting on the warriors of the sport because they don't perform to your standards.

Based on what, your opinion. GGG has beaten 7 top ten fighters, Geale, Macklin, Proska, Stevens, Rubio, Murray, and Rosado. His resume looks fine to me. Murray was the only decent name out of that list. :lol1: @ Rosado. You mean the guy who came up from 154 that wasn't ranked at middleweight, that Rosado? GGG is a good fighter man, no need to try and gas up something we all know isn't that impressive. His skills are impressive enough.

SMW world level fighters in the division (counting top 5): Froch (if not retired) Groves DeGale Ward Abraham MW world level fighters in the division (counting top 5): GGG Cotto Quillin Lemeuix Ndam/Macklin/Geale Which looks better? Ward is the only world level fighter in SMW. Froch is basically retired. DeGale, Abraham and Groves are top SMW fighters, they're not world level. In MW you have two world level fighters, GGG and Cotto, plus maybe Canelo. The rest is negligible. So, answering to your question, MW have 3 active world level fighters while SMW has only one. MW looks and is better.

People have ****ting on the Middleweight division because one fighter that don't like is head and shoulders better than everyone else. These same people pretend Super Middle weight is some deep division but it simply isn't. And it wasn't 5 years ago when Ward won the Super Six. Just cause you put a bunch of guys in a tourney doesn't mean it's a great division. Good but not great. Three of the Super Six members didn't even fight in the division. Froch is tough but lets be honest he's a B fighter at best. Abraham was ranked top ten after one fight against an unranked fighter. Kessler was dominated by Calzaghe. Ward was a nobody and Dirrel beat nobody. And now Abraham is #1 in the division and still has only beaten one ranked fighter in the division. So GGG should have no problem fighting there then right

Get outta here with that tired idiotic excuse. His resume is lacking. Based on what, your opinion. GGG has beaten 7 top ten fighters, Geale, Macklin, Proska, Stevens, Rubio, Murray, and Rosado. His resume looks fine to me.

I agree 100%. The reason for hating MW is that they hate the guy who is ruling MW with an iron fist. Would be a different story if GGG was black. Get outta here with that tired idiotic excuse. His resume is lacking.

If you think about it, most divisions are not that deep. People choose which division they like and what divisions they'll dis based on the fighters that are there. Someone actually said 130 is weak, when that's one of the most interesting divisions in boxing especially now that Walters might be moving up. Most "fans" don't follow boxing outside of mainstream boxing. Middleweight and Light-Heavyweight are two of the divisions that have the best up and coming talent. Haters will be haters.

SMW is crap also. DeGale is currently 2nd best and he's completely gassed by 6 rounds without much activity beforehand. Please don't try to polish that turd. Eh. you're entitled to that opinion. However one of the best middleweights is moving up so we'll see how he fares in that division. That'll at least give us a little idea if it's as bad as 160 or not

Funny to see people use amateur credentials to defend their own argument, yet **** on it whenever someone else uses it. Inconsistent ****s.

Add LHW to the list of not very deep weight classes. Once Stevenson and Kovalev fight and if Beterbiev gets the winner of that fight there's really no big matchup or challenge to make at LHW.

Worlds and Olympics are the same thing. Korobov was the better amateur fighter, and it's not even up for debate. Winning the World Amateurs or a medal gets you qualified for Olympics. They clearly are not the same when one is used as a stepping stone for the other. p.s. I don't agree with the premise of using amateur credentials to call one division better than the other.

SMW is a very divided division. There's the German's doing their thing, then Haymon's fighters doing their thing, and the UK guys doing their thing. Outside of that it's pretty much a waste land. TR has their two young guys in Rameriz & Hart and then there's Ward all by himself. Same time MW has a surge of hot prospects coming up. Douglass, Magomedov, Khytrov, Derevyanchenko, Wade, Eubank, Ogogo, Murata, & Soro all look good. Outside of Quillin & Jacobs, I don't see any of the current MW's moving up to SMW, where there are some big JMW's who are getting older and likely will be moving up. Top MW's moved up to SMW degrading the quality of MW. Interesting that you choose Abraham to discredit SMW when he was viewed as a beast at MW, kinda like Golovkin. Golovkin and Abraham aren't even comparable. Abraham had a lot of struggles at MW vs mediocre opposition. Guys like Gevor and Ayala were arguably winning their fights when Abraham pulled out a late KO. Other guys like Shannon Taylor and Lajuan Simon were able to hang around all night without offering much resistance.

It's all Hymen's fault.

middleweight would actually be a good division if only the tops guys would fight each other top 15 p4p fighters middle: golovkin, cotto and alvarez super middle: ward titlists middle: lemieux, lee super middle: abraham, degale, jack top contenders middle: n'dam, quillin, saunders, jacobs, soliman super middle: groves, stieglitz, chudinov, dirrell x2 up-n-comers middle: eubank jr, magomedov, murata, wade super middle: ramirez, hart, smith, fielding other notables middle: geale, heiland, johnson, monroe jr, mora super middle: rebrasse, edwards, neilson, sturm, medina i tried not to include fighters who are unlikely to fight in the division again, e.g. murray at middle and froch super middle. i realise that the 'up-n-comer' sections may be missing some

Middleweight, super middle and light heavy are pretty weak atm. Though there are still alot of fights at 168 that can take place

People have ****ting on the Middleweight division because one fighter that don't like is head and shoulders better than everyone else. These same people pretend Super Middle weight is some deep division but it simply isn't. And it wasn't 5 years ago when Ward won the Super Six. Just cause you put a bunch of guys in a tourney doesn't mean it's a great division. Good but not great. Three of the Super Six members didn't even fight in the division. Froch is tough but lets be honest he's a B fighter at best. Abraham was ranked top ten after one fight against an unranked fighter. Kessler was dominated by Calzaghe. Ward was a nobody and Dirrel beat nobody. And now Abraham is #1 in the division and still has only beaten one ranked fighter in the division. SMW world level fighters in the division (counting top 5): Froch (if not retired) Groves DeGale Ward Abraham MW world level fighters in the division (counting top 5): GGG Cotto Quillin Lemeuix Ndam/Macklin/Geale Which looks better?

I agree, i'm not that hot on SMW right now. Ward and DeGale are stand outs. Froch will be retired soon. AA, Groves, Jack and Andre Dirrell could probably have some competitive fights amongst themselves. It's not the division it was a few years back though.

These people are nuts. MW is crap. They know it. Not even Murata can save them. SMW at least has accomplished amateurs and professionals in that division. The Dirrels, Froch if he stays fighting, AA, Degale, Chudinov, Fielding, Groves, Ward, Jack, Smith, Ramirez and a couple two or three good fighters. Every MW has been shitted on by both ggg haters and nut huggers. Why is this division being defended now SMW is crap also. DeGale is currently 2nd best and he's completely gassed by 6 rounds without much activity beforehand. Please don't try to polish that turd.