Froch-Golovkin Talks Die Down

I knew it. Froch is pathetic. You can't talk that much about how bad you are, and how you are willing to fight GGG, and then just pu$$y out. Froch is a coward. Ever since he finally became a star to the white trash of Britain, he has fought Yusaf Mack, and Groves twice. He was never going to fight GGG. GGG would've ended this fraud.

So you're saying HBO can not afford to tempt Froch, and nobody Iis ducking anybody, right ? Just wanna clarify that you understand it is HBO failing to tempt these guys. I already explained this dumba$$. This fight only makes major money in the UK, and Hbo never pays much for overseas fights. If they fight in the US, it wouldnt be on Hbo and its way beyond their budget.

I will fight a small middlewieght(GGG) but will never fight guys my own size(kova, stevenson), ward 178 at olympics. ward has kovalev problems, ward said anyone from 168-175, 3 years ago, then when kova called him out he backed out like a biitch. also keep in mind ward fought at 178 in Olympics. Its the 15th paragraph, ward said anyone from 168-175 http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7916213/chad-dawson-andre-ward-bout-works Here are three occasions where Kovalev/team called ward out, http://www.boxingscene.com/kovalevs-trainer-andre-ward-needs-meet-us-175--84151 http://thaboxingvoice.com/duva-says-no-catchweight-for-ward-kovalev-legal-action-may-be-taken-against-steveson-and-promoter/24123?var=no Its the 6th question http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/john-david-jackson-on-andre-ward-adonis-stevenson-and-artur-beterbiev-and-the-sergey-kovalev-gennady-golovkin-spar/ So WARDOS, is he ducking KRUSHER or not ??? Isn't RNS and Duva in talks for a ward-kova clash for the near future? :thinking: NEXT EXCUSE!!!

Ignorant as hell. Hbo cannot pay Cotto, Canelo, Froch unless its a low cost tuneup. Froch made like 12m in his last fight with barely any Hbo contribution. Even half that is way beyond Hbos budget. Why dont you get informed before writing these moronic novels? So you're saying HBO can not afford to tempt Froch, and nobody Iis ducking anybody, right ? Just wanna clarify that you understand it is HBO failing to tempt these guys.

It didn't go to purse bid: http://******.craveonline.com/news/318701-ibf-confirms-carl-froch-george-groves-ii-is-a-done-deal I don't see anyone that would have bid 15m. They only agreed on the percentage split, not the actual purses. Regardless, there's no way HBO can make it worthwhile for Froch. The fight is financially makeable, but only in the UK due to Froch's local appeal. Sorry I ment purse split. IBF ordered the rematch and Groves got 15% based on his #3 ranking and Carl refused to renegotiate. Either way, it was an obscure purse for Froch.

Froch only made $12mill because Groves was an idiot and let it goto purse bids. Generally he pull's in a quarter of that for a fight. It didn't go to purse bid: http://******.craveonline.com/news/318701-ibf-confirms-carl-froch-george-groves-ii-is-a-done-deal I don't see anyone that would have bid 15m. They only agreed on the percentage split, not the actual purses. Regardless, there's no way HBO can make it worthwhile for Froch. The fight is financially makeable, but only in the UK due to Froch's local appeal.

Ignorant as hell. Hbo cannot pay Cotto, Canelo, Froch unless its a low cost tuneup. Froch made like 12m in his last fight with barely any Hbo contribution. Even half that is way beyond Hbos budget. Why dont you get informed before writing these moronic novels? Froch only made $12mill because Groves was an idiot and let it goto purse bids. Generally he pull's in a quarter of that for a fight.

You've answered absolutely no questions and only posed more to draw attention away from the issues at hand, HBO will not pay for the likes of Cotto, Canelo and Froch to get in the ring with GGG. Boxing is a short career, do some research, you'll understand why GGG is only fighting crappy fights and why the fans on NSB are beginning to get fed up with his defences. Middleweight champ whom holds the belt purely for financial reasons and will vacate it for financial reasons too. What is their not to understand ? Ignore me all you like, I care little, I never expected to get straight answers from you regardless. Ignorant as hell. Hbo cannot pay Cotto, Canelo, Froch unless its a low cost tuneup. Froch made like 12m in his last fight with barely any Hbo contribution. Even half that is way beyond Hbos budget. Why dont you get informed before writing these moronic novels?

Nope. Never said that at all. You are only revealing your lack of reading comprehension once again. Froch is debating retirement and debating fighting one last fight against GGG. Will the money he makes from the fight make any difference in his life? Probably not. Will beating a MW make any difference in his legacy? Not at all. But a loss to Golovkin will not help his legacy in the least and GGG is a very dangerous opponent, by Froch's own admission, and anything can happen in the ring. Is it worth it to Froch to risk his future on that one last fight? Not at all. Is there any shame is retiring instead of fighting GGG? Nope. Not in the slightest. Froch has earned the right to end his career whatever way he wishes, whether with a farewell fight or just a wave and a thank you to his fans. In that case, you make a counter offer or at least you communicate with the other side. In this case, even Froch's own promoter has not been in contact with him. This is not a case of not liking the offer, it is a case of Froch deciding whether or not to retire. His decision may not have anything to really do with Golovkin per se, but the risk of fighting such a fighter may have helped Froch put things into perspective and realize that it is time to hang up the gloves once and for all. Basically you wrote the risk that froch would take in fighting GGG "helped put things in perspective". Meaning, "froch knows he'll lose so instead of fighting GGG he'll rather retire". All you did was sugarcoat your post.

You're totally fvcking delusional, aren't you? I, and many others, have stated from day one that GGG cannot force anyone to fight him. If he could, we would not be having this discussion because Cotto would have already fought and lost his title to GGG as well as the other MW title holders. And where do you see me saying that Loeffler is waffling about accepting a fight with ANYONE? Both Golovkin and Loeffler will accept any fighter that is accepted by HBO. Even HBO have stated that Golovkin is the only fighter they have ever dealt with who has never rejected a proposed opponent. And who are these JrMWs you continue to spew crap about? Do you mean the MIDDLEWEIGHT LINEAL CHAMPION? You want to see Froch? Maybe you know how to get him to accept the fight! You are such a fvcking genius you should contact Loeffler and tell him exactly what to do. Maybe you can pay the purse yourself! Go and find 10 million bucks and set it all up yourself at your risk. So what if you don't make a profit or break even. It's only money. You seem to think everything is so easy to do, what are you doing wasting time posting here? You should be out there making all the top matches happen and pulling in millions of dollars profit. Or maybe you should simply STFU and go away? You have already proven that you are an idiot, that you know how to complain about everything but have no solutions to anything. So why are you still here? You've answered absolutely no questions and only posed more to draw attention away from the issues at hand, HBO will not pay for the likes of Cotto, Canelo and Froch to get in the ring with GGG. Boxing is a short career, do some research, you'll understand why GGG is only fighting crappy fights and why the fans on NSB are beginning to get fed up with his defences. Middleweight champ whom holds the belt purely for financial reasons and will vacate it for financial reasons too. What is their not to understand ? Ignore me all you like, I care little, I never expected to get straight answers from you regardless.

By the way... welcome to the ignore list. I have no time to debate with intellectually challenged individuals. To place someone on ignore you need to add them to list it is really quite simple, if you're struggling I'll help you through it.

By the way... welcome to the ignore list. I have no time to debate with intellectually challenged individuals.

Finally, HURRAH, you stumbled upon the answer you sought yourself. GGG can not force opponents into the ring with him. It feels like that moment you finally let go of your daughters hand to let her walk unaided for the first time, truly breathtaking moment, I'm expericing euphoria. You keep going on about Loeffler waffling about being receptive to facing guys like Lemiuex and Lee, whom have already been stopped by opponents GGG wiped off the face of the earth. What is in it for GGG fans to see him face these guys, when will you want to see him challenged, ever ? Please tell me. Their is zero kudos in defeating these guys as their isnt in JMW's either. Lmao, nobody is telling HBO or Loeffler nothing because guys like you keep lapping up these **** defences and yanking themselves of at the thought of him facing JMW, you're the reason we ain't gonna get the fights we wanna see GGG in. If his fan base demanded he face a challenge maybe he'd step up to the plate. At what point do you ascertain I want to see Lee or Lemiuex versus GGG, can you not read yourself ? You're blindly trying to defend issues I'm not even taking up whilst completing playing into what I have been saying is the issue all along. Either you are incredibly stupid or you are incredibly defensive over a boxer whom for whatever reason refuses to participate in a competive action. Froch is a ppv star, defeat him and you have your breakthrough. Loeffler himself said it would be ppv In the States. You're totally fvcking delusional, aren't you? I, and many others, have stated from day one that GGG cannot force anyone to fight him. If he could, we would not be having this discussion because Cotto would have already fought and lost his title to GGG as well as the other MW title holders. And where do you see me saying that Loeffler is waffling about accepting a fight with ANYONE? Both Golovkin and Loeffler will accept any fighter that is accepted by HBO. Even HBO have stated that Golovkin is the only fighter they have ever dealt with who has never rejected a proposed opponent. And who are these JrMWs you continue to spew crap about? Do you mean the MIDDLEWEIGHT LINEAL CHAMPION? You want to see Froch? Maybe you know how to get him to accept the fight! You are such a fvcking genius you should contact Loeffler and tell him exactly what to do. Maybe you can pay the purse yourself! Go and find 10 million bucks and set it all up yourself at your risk. So what if you don't make a profit or break even. It's only money. You seem to think everything is so easy to do, what are you doing wasting time posting here? You should be out there making all the top matches happen and pulling in millions of dollars profit. Or maybe you should simply STFU and go away? You have already proven that you are an idiot, that you know how to complain about everything but have no solutions to anything. So why are you still here?

Can you list some of these PPV stars for us? I can't actually think of any right now beyond Floyd and Manny who are guaranteed a PPV all on their own. You must know things that no one else does. How can GGG fight Lemieux when Lemieux has been planning his fight with N'Dam for a good number of months now? It will be at least Oct or Nov before Lemieux fights again and Loeffler has already stated that they are open to fighting him or Lee as soon as they are willing. Lee will be fighting Saunders in his mandatory soon so he is out of the picture for a while. Will Oscar be willing to put Lemieux up against GGG? I guess we will have to wait and see what happens. My guess would be not a chance, that ODLH will want Lemieux to take a couple of fights to cash in on his new title, assuming he wins, before taking a chance against Golovkin. You, like most other anti-Golovkin trolls, fail to realize that GGG cannot force anyone into the ring with him. When it seems like a top opponent is on the horizon, things fall apart with the opponent either refusing to fight his mandatory defense or refusing to sign a contract or, recently, deciding to retire. Maybe you or one of the other geniuses, none of whom work in the fight game, could tell Loeffler how to do his job better or offer your 'expert' services to get these fights made. You certainly should be out there earning the millions that these guys are letting slip away. Go for it! Show us all how it should be done. Or you could simply STFU because YDKSAB. :fing26: Finally, HURRAH, you stumbled upon the answer you sought yourself. GGG can not force opponents into the ring with him. It feels like that moment you finally let go of your daughters hand to let her walk unaided for the first time, truly breathtaking moment, I'm expericing euphoria. You keep going on about Loeffler waffling about being receptive to facing guys like Lemiuex and Lee, whom have already been stopped by opponents GGG wiped off the face of the earth. What is in it for GGG fans to see him face these guys, when will you want to see him challenged, ever ? Please tell me. Their is zero kudos in defeating these guys as their isnt in JMW's either. Lmao, nobody is telling HBO or Loeffler nothing because guys like you keep lapping up these **** defences and yanking themselves of at the thought of him facing JMW, you're the reason we ain't gonna get the fights we wanna see GGG in. If his fan base demanded he face a challenge maybe he'd step up to the plate. At what point do you ascertain I want to see Lee or Lemiuex versus GGG, can you not read yourself ? You're blindly trying to defend issues I'm not even taking up whilst completing playing into what I have been saying is the issue all along. Either you are incredibly stupid or you are incredibly defensive over a boxer whom for whatever reason refuses to participate in a competive action. Froch is a ppv star, defeat him and you have your breakthrough. Loeffler himself said it would be ppv In the States.

Carl isn't ducking anybody, especially a slow easy to hit midget like Golovkin. He's had a great career and should retire if he doesn't have the desire anymore. GGG will go on to be the next Arthur Abraham at 168. You forgot to address this: "It was tongue in cheek back then. I was being a bit cheeky and you can take those comments with a pinch of salt. What I will say though is this guy can f*cking punch: he's dangerous and if he can be avoided we'll avoid him. I'll stand by that and I don't give a sh*t."

Lmao. Froch could fight you and the Brits would pay for it, ie why the GGG fight ain't happening because he makes no more or no less than he would for facing a numb skull like you. If HBO guarantee all or the majority of sales from the States you've got a fight, yet GGG for whatever reason won't be moved up to super. It's laughable how you can point the finger at me but genuinely can not grasp what is at play here. Wtf does this gibberish mean? Froch's promoter said it was a mega fight, you should tell him he has no clue, it'd be no bigger than Yusaf Mack.

Carl isn't ducking anybody, especially a slow easy to hit midget like Golovkin. He's had a great career and should retire if he doesn't have the desire anymore. GGG will go on to be the next Arthur Abraham at 168.

Thats cause youre not too bright. Ggg is not putting together an offer for a fight in the Uk, nobody does that. Hbo never pays much for overseas fights. All Ghg can do is offer to meet Froch on Carls home turf, where hes the money man and unquestioned A side. Lmao. Froch could fight you and the Brits would pay for it, ie why the GGG fight ain't happening because he makes no more or no less than he would for facing a numb skull like you. If HBO guarantee all or the majority of sales from the States you've got a fight, yet GGG for whatever reason won't be moved up to super. It's laughable how you can point the finger at me but genuinely can not grasp what is at play here.

Here we have GGG fans claiming Froch ducked the dude even after his promoter and himself literally came and said make us an offer we can not refure. GGG fans need to accept his management and promoters as well as HBO are failing him, you don't walk into a fight with a ppv star unless you're bringing something to the table yourself, it's that simple. GGG brings nothing financially, he's exciting so what, it's a fight Froch's own fans voted they wanted to see him fight next yet he can face DeGale for the same money in what is perceived to be an easier fight. If HBO put up big money for a GGG marquee opponent, he breaks into elite level and the money follows, simple. For whatever reason they appear reluctant, maybe too many ppv stars already, possibly and all the more likey fear he is too small for SM hence why he is sticking around MW trying to fight JMW's, I know their aint a wealth of talent at 160, but guys like Lemiuex nearly have a country behind them, surely putting the money up to face these guys will open up GGG to a whole new fan base. I can not grasp where GGG fanboys can not understand any of this. Can you list some of these PPV stars for us? I can't actually think of any right now beyond Floyd and Manny who are guaranteed a PPV all on their own. You must know things that no one else does. How can GGG fight Lemieux when Lemieux has been planning his fight with N'Dam for a good number of months now? It will be at least Oct or Nov before Lemieux fights again and Loeffler has already stated that they are open to fighting him or Lee as soon as they are willing. Lee will be fighting Saunders in his mandatory soon so he is out of the picture for a while. Will Oscar be willing to put Lemieux up against GGG? I guess we will have to wait and see what happens. My guess would be not a chance, that ODLH will want Lemieux to take a couple of fights to cash in on his new title, assuming he wins, before taking a chance against Golovkin. You, like most other anti-Golovkin trolls, fail to realize that GGG cannot force anyone into the ring with him. When it seems like a top opponent is on the horizon, things fall apart with the opponent either refusing to fight his mandatory defense or refusing to sign a contract or, recently, deciding to retire. Maybe you or one of the other geniuses, none of whom work in the fight game, could tell Loeffler how to do his job better or offer your 'expert' services to get these fights made. You certainly should be out there earning the millions that these guys are letting slip away. Go for it! Show us all how it should be done. Or you could simply STFU because YDKSAB. :fing26:

Froch IS a stay busy fight for Golovkin. He is not a MW and does not advance GGG's goal of unifying all the MW titles. He is a way to stay busy and pick up a decent payday at the same time. Nope. Never said that at all. You are only revealing your lack of reading comprehension once again. Froch is debating retirement and debating fighting one last fight against GGG. Will the money he makes from the fight make any difference in his life? Probably not. Will beating a MW make any difference in his legacy? Not at all. But a loss to Golovkin will not help his legacy in the least and GGG is a very dangerous opponent, by Froch's own admission, and anything can happen in the ring. Is it worth it to Froch to risk his future on that one last fight? Not at all. Is there any shame is retiring instead of fighting GGG? Nope. Not in the slightest. Froch has earned the right to end his career whatever way he wishes, whether with a farewell fight or just a wave and a thank you to his fans. :tool: You genuinely believe GGG is hanging around 160 to unify as opposed to sit around waiting for the money fights against Cotto and Canelo ? Which for the record are not happening. Don't believe me ! Listen to Canelo and Cotto yourself. If GGG wants kudos for defeating the best he gonna have to up to 168 and have his promoters put the money up to tempt ROC or Matchroom for Ward or Froch, I genuinely believe his handlers have real fears over these fights. What does unifying mean to a guy who has already soundly Murray and Geale in a fashion they have never been handled before, Geale defeated Sturm when Sturm still had fight in him, Murray arguably beat Maravilla, the belts and lineage after those convincing wins mean little in the grand scheme of things, what is defeating Heiland and and Lemiuex another guy defeated by another dude (Rubio) whom GGG handled like he wasnt in any way a threat whatsoever, what do wins against those guys bring ? As an outsider looking in, it looks to me like it does nothing for legacy, their is no kudos in defeating guys knocked out by guys you yourself spanked in two rounds. You still gonna tell me GGG fans want to see him unify, or is that you want to see him face a challenge from JMW's, because that to me just sounds stupid. Lets try get sh1t straight, guys like Denium don't hate GGG, they enjoy watching him, but they wanna see him challenged they wanna know how good he really is before sounding off and sounding stupid like some of his half witted fanboys do. I myself fall right into this category, I ain't no Froch fanboy either, so don't let that cloud your narrow minded vision. I want the best fights, as you too claim, only a guy who has destroyed A level MW's going on to challenge juniors ain't the best fights. Why is it you think their is such a huge call for Cotto vs Canelo ? Could it be both are evenly matched and it sounds like a terrific fight you think ? Or is it because odds are so favourably stacked in favor of one fighter fanboys are demanding it ? Whilst your busy getting exciting over GGG facing his next 'challenge' as his fans so proudly profess his opponents, the rest of us will hope in vain for competitive fights.