Was Manny Pacquiao ever on peds ?

Not a shred of evidence. Period. And: http://ringobserver.com/2015/10/06/henry-armstrongs-career-defends-manny-pacquiao-from-mayweather-drug-slander/ Henry Armstrong’s Career Defends Manny Pacquiao from Mayweather Drug Slander The boxing world has had to listen to Floyd Mayweather and his band of slandering accomplices defame and smear Manny Pacquiao as a drug cheat for several years without any defense. For years this virulent smear campaign against Pacquiao has manipulated a great number of boxing fans to suspect Pacquiao of using drugs despite not a shred of evidence, and despite the fact that Pacquiao successfully sued Mayweather and his band of slanderous accomplices, so that Mayweather threw in the towel and settled the case with Pacquiao’s lawyers for quite a hefty sum. This issue shows how if one corrupt individual concocts a filthy lie and repeats it over and over, with some help from bought-and-paid for media puppets, and some prominent boxing figures like Paulie Malignaggi who will say whatever his puppetmaster Al Haymon want him to say, the public easily can be influenced to believe a complete hoax. Let me illustrate: the great Henry Armstrong turned pro at the age of eighteen in 1931 with a TKO 3 loss to Al Iovino (bet you didn’t know Hammerin’ Hank lost his pro debut) in North Braddock, PA, weighing 120 pounds – when Manny Pacquiao was eleven days shy of his eighteenth birthday he had a fight and weighed in at 111 (Pac debuted at age sixteen and weighed 106) Okay, there’s a little discrepancy there, but it’s doubtful Armstrong, born in Columbus, Mississippi, lived in such poverty like Pacquiao that he was forced to share a bowl of rice with five siblings as his one meal a day growing up in the Philippines. Let’s continue: At age 23 Pacquiao weighed 122 for two fights in 2001 – Armstrong weighed 126 for a fight the week before his 23rd birthday (TKO Alton Black in Reno). There are several other parallels between Pacquiao and Armstrong – both stood 5-5 1/2 inches tall and both had 57 inch arm reaches – and both were born in December – Pac on the 17th in 1978, Hank on the 12th in 1912. Armstrong’s career was far busier than Pacquiao – Hank’s final ring record when he retired in February of ’45 at the age of 32 was 150-21-10 with 101 knockouts – for his last fight Hank weighed 141 1/2 pounds – Pacquiao, who is still active as a pro today at 36 with a record of 57-6-2 (38 KOs), had two fights at age 33 in 2011 and weighed 143 vs Marquez and 145 vs Mosley. Armstrong was a former Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight (held all three belts simultaneously for short time in ’38) and had several fights where he weighed in in the mid 140s. While it’s been scrutinized with suspicion about Pacquiao retaining his punching power as he moved up to welterweight, Armstrong also was able to maintain his hitting force into the higher weights – in his final full year as a pro, Armstrong fought eighteen times in the welter and sub-welter range and recorded ten stoppage wins in those eighteen contests in ’44. So the logical conclusion is that Pacquiao and Armstrong, of very similar physical structure and size, both progressed similarly as men and reached their peak full physical maturity at around the same age at the same weight of around 145 – Henry Armstrong was certainly not a steroid or performance enhancing drug user and Pacquiao has never been involved with or linked to drugs or drug coaches, unlike a prime suspect like Mayweather, who has employed the known steroid expert Angel Heredia for himself and his promotional company TMT (two TMT boxers have tested positive for using illegal drugs). Heredia has openly boasted in an interview with Speigel Sport that he personally knows how to create over twenty different steroids which are undetectable to doping testers. Adding further to suspicions about Mayweather apparent use of performance enhancing drugs, is the fact that he refused a subpoena to reveal three alleged positive tests of his own as part of the Pacquiao defamation lawsuit – and also no less image damaging is the recently reported information about Mayweather’s illegal IV the day before the Pacquiao fight of May 2 of this year, which was covered up by the Nevada Commission and USADA – this IV is suspected to have been used to mask illegal steroids in Mayweather’s body. (Since the story broke, the mainstream media has largely ignored it.) Also thought-provoking is the fact that Mayweather hired Pacquiao’s former fitness and nutrition coach Alex Ariza, who has had plenty of time and motive to reveal any dirty secrets he may have had with Pacquiao but apparently there is nothing Ariza has to conceal about his work with Pacquiao, because Mayweather and Al Haymon surely would have amply rewarded Ariza to spill the dirt to assassinate Pacquiao’s reputation and character, which they first aspired to do back in 2009. As we know, the truth can be distorted, buried, hidden, disguised but … the truth cannot be killed. And as time goes by, the facts and evidences show that Manny Pacquiao is a clean athlete and always has been a clean, honest athlete, while Floyd Mayweather is beginning to look more and more like he could very well be the establishment fraud, created and protected and maintained by the power and money hungry establishment — not much unlike the embarrassingly pathetic example of cycling’s former hero turned international shame – Lance Armstrong.

Shane Mosley, Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Alex Rodriguez never got caught using PED's, but they did use it, they were snitched on. Otherwise, let's say they were never snitched on, or BALCO never had files on some clients, they would have never got caught. And there would have been no proof that they ever used PED's. Now this can be applied to any athlete, but yeah, Pacquiao never got caught or snitched on, so we will never actually know. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But Pacquiao was already weighing 147lbs on fight night at Super Featherweight. He just now fights at his fight night weight and no longer had to drain down to lower weights, which probably gave him more strength and focus on actual training rather than making weight. I'm just guessng here, who really knows.

Floyd jr and sr accusing Pac of Ped's is an indirect admission that he thought PAC was too good to have accomplished what he did..Also an admission, that they were scared. His success between 2008-2011 was simply because he was reaching his prime in terms of experience/physical, was motivated by money and to provide for his growing fam (just starting to earn big $$$), developed into an all around boxer, ...he was flat out hungry. Let's get real... past prime Pac shut out Rios and clearly beat Tim Bradley who clearly beat Marquez. Pac is just talented and an ATG. Deal with it .

Floyd fans were using PEDs as an excuse on why the fight wasn't made. Now its all good

Here's floyd after everyone jumped on the Manny train post Cotto fight. Talking about how taking punishment is not cool, and trying to convince everyone he's the best and he's not scared. Look at the coldness of his eyes, as everyone is expecting him to fight Manny next. And the next week he demands testing. haha

LOL, floyd was scared shytless of Pac back when he was accusing him of being on PED's Funny. I like watching Brian Kenny own him left and right. Those were the days.

Of course he did. Do you think Floyd being scared to fight him was just an act? That sht was real son.

PEDs certainly don't help manny with pro basketball

I'm pretty certain a lot of top fighters have juiced... Manny declining drug testing in 09 is a huge red flag

a drug cheat would refuse any extra testing. they don't agree to a couple extra blood tests and unlimited urine testing. someone saying no to testing is fishy. someone agreeing to extra testing but arguing about how much and frequency is more negotiation. all pac was guilty of is bad pr by his ppl. pac wasn't afraid of needles, he had a bad reaction to a blood test for the morales fight. pac's excuse for the L. took a couple years for Pacquiao to be willing to accept the extra testing. just saying.

All Floyd had to do is be professional instead of trying to discredit his fights and accuse pacman. He could have set up a hotel meeting and discussed ways of cleaning up the sport. it really seems to be about disrupting pacmans camp and straight up hating. Maxboxing article opened some eyes. But now, here it is..court bout to be settled in the ring. Win or lose I think there gonna be a lot of satisfaction just to get in some licks!

Guy was in his prime 5-6 years ago, and fighting smaller guys. Guy is no longer in his prime & fighting bigger guys, most of whom have never been KO'd before they faced him. Guy looks exactly the same physically. It's called getting older, finding religion, & fighting bigger opponents. If he was on them & now off, the decline would be steep & he would've lost more than one fight (we don't count Bradley 1) Ah you and I think a like. It's nice to see some brains on this forum with common sense about, I don't know... prime years? The only thing I don't completely agree on is that he was fighting smaller guys. Are you talking against, Barrera, Morales, Marquez? They were equal to him. Since then, everyone was larger than him just about.

Also, the fact Mayweather settled out of court pretty much says it all. Pacquiao's camp was willing to go toe to toe with this defamation suit. TMT, knowing what's at stake ponied up and paid a reported $5 million which is a bargain compared to what was about to come out in public. I'm not saying Manny was or wasn't on PEDs, but him filing a defamation suit proves absolutely nothing. Roger Clements did the same thing. Having to go through the process of a trial for something that u can't prove without inside knowledge is a waste of time.

pac will still put anyone on there ass today should he land his 1-2 or any perfect shots like in the past 5 years he staggered bradley numerous times in the rematch with basically arm punches, with a 1-2 on two occassions, a left uppercut early, an overhand late, put algieri down for the 10 count(but i appreciate the ref not stopping it) with a commited cross, and hurt rios numerous times also he's still a puncher, but his power has slightly decreased due to his commitment and age people keep talking about how his ko's dissapeared after the accusations started, but who here actually thinks he was hitting with less power vs clottey, margarito and mosley as oppossed to vs cotto?

Pac knocks out a lot of his opponents back at the lower weight divisions because he had power at that weight. Now that he's fighting ww, he can no longer KO any of them because those naturally bigger guys can take the hits. I think that's a simple explanation on why Pac hasn't literally KO anyone since Hatton. Pac is a superstitious guy that on his first fight with morales, he got blood withdrawn from him and he felt that was the reason he lost the fight. He even told Floyd in the first negotiations that he can get his blood drawn AFTER their fight, but Floyd refused. Honestly, both parties were to blame for not making the fight happen 5 years ago, but it is where it is. he got a blood test fight week and got sick/felt weak. one of his excuses for the morales L. this was 4-5 years BEFORE floyd/OSDT talk. just look how hard negotiations was this year. they had to argue about every little thing from name, ring entrance, etc. and this is with floyd 60-40.

Yes and he got away with it. Deal with it. That would be great closing argument..Can you imagine,jury asks,"is he guilty?'" you will say "Yes and he got away with it. Deal with it".

Also, the fact Mayweather settled out of court pretty much says it all. Pacquiao's camp was willing to go toe to toe with this defamation suit. TMT, knowing what's at stake ponied up and paid a reported $5 million which is a bargain compared to what was about to come out in public. This sums it up! Remember Pac is on the a-side meth! Lol at the mayweatherz

Pac knocks out a lot of his opponents back at the lower weight divisions because he had power at that weight. Now that he's fighting ww, he can no longer KO any of them because those naturally bigger guys can take the hits. I think that's a simple explanation on why Pac hasn't literally KO anyone since Hatton. Pac is a superstitious guy that on his first fight with morales, he got blood withdrawn from him and he felt that was the reason he lost the fight. He even told Floyd in the first negotiations that he can get his blood drawn AFTER their fight, but Floyd refused. Honestly, both parties were to blame for not making the fight happen 5 years ago, but it is where it is.

Yes and he got away with it. Deal with it.

The proof would be in the commonsense of anyone that understands why he wouldn't take the test in the first place. In this country in order for most people especially black people a drug screen along with random testing is mandatory to even get a job to support your family. In Pacroid's case he was in the position not only to prove Floyd wrong, but also putting himself in the driver's seat financially during the negotiations. All Pacroid had tk do was have it in writing that upon passing any and all drug screening if it's proven he is a clean fighter the purse split would be I. His favor to the some of 70/30. But I guess his team either isn't that smart or from what I can tell the guy was hiding something and didn't want to chance being caught cheating. It doesn't have to be proven to me since I have commonsense which tells any logical person that if he wasn't juicing he would have taken that test and put Floyd in the most embarrassing situation since the 2nd rd of the Shane Mosley fight. But since he didn't I say the little test ducking juicer was hiding his juicing activities plain and simple. ...... Like someone mentioned earlier,there is no proof,that is a fact,there hasn't been one failed test...You saying that the split was going to be on his favor ,its unrealistic..Now you say his team isn't smart,how bout the money he will make on may 2 and all the money he has made....But if we wanna talk about common sense,here is something for you.We all know mayweahter started the rumor,but since he had to pay Manny a settlement for defamation and then he hires ariza,common sense tells me Mayweather never had any proof nor believes ariza gave him those so-called shakes!