Why don't people get what Haymon is doing?

Man, people still don't get it. It's the quality of the fights fans are complaining about. It's not because it's not free. Have you heard anyone complain why HBO/SHO fights are not free? I pay for HBO and get isht like Zou Shiming, a who-gives-a-dayum-about-training Alvarado vs Rios III and a totally here-for-the-check Rubio effort against GGG. Let's not act like everything on HBO and Showtime is top shelf 100% of the time.

OF COURSE Promoters and networks put their own interests first. That is what they are supposed to do and if they did not do that, they should be fired. Do you think the owner of a company is running it for his employees' benefit? NO! He is running it to earn money!! You think your favourite restaurant wants to give you the best deal possible on your meals? Dream on! They want to make the most profit possible while giving you meals at a price that you are willing to pay. And this is the difference between me and you. Because I acknowledge that those entities put their own interests first, I give ZERO fuggs when their own greed destroys their industry and chases off their primary resources (i.e. actual boxers). When a business loses sight of that, trouble ensues. This isn't like team sports where people cheer for 'the jersey'. This is a sport of individuals. I don't tune in to watch Top Rank banners fly over the ring nor HBO placards on microphones. I don't tune in to gawk at the chest and legs of ring girls nor because Don King is holding small flags nor because the Watson Twins are allowed to stand in the ring. I tune in to see the ACTUAL FIGHTERS engage in the sweet science. Those dudes in the ring could (and have) literally DIE in there. That's why I advocate those dudes getting all the bread they DESERVE. And right now, actual fighters, the ones who's lives are on the line, are aligning themselves to the PBC model in droves. What does that tell you? And I have no pity for people like Ward or Chavez Jr. or any other fighter who suddenly decides his contract is not good enough. It is their responsibility not to sign a contract that does not meet their requirements and that they are not satisfied with. Contract disputes happen for a ton of reasons beyond someone deciding its 'not good enough'. It is silly to just act like the fighters are simply not 'honoring' an agreement, especially in a sport with the history of shady and strong-arm deals like professional boxing. People around here are fracking naïve. Do you think Haymon is doing this out of the goodness of his heart and wants to make his fighters rich men? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Haymon wants to make as much profit for himself as he possibly can, first and foremost. Second, he wants to make as much money for his investors as possible so that they will invest in future products. The fighters? He wants to give them as much sugar as it takes to get them to sign their lives away and then pay them as little as possible once they take the bait. Again, as a fan, you've been living with this for the past 50 years. Why are you are upset now? By the looks of it, by worse case scenario the Haymon model pays the fighters better, and the fighters themselves are choosing to align to it. That in of itself should be enough to garner support from 'real fans'.

Exactly. Exactly. If people don't like the match ups, form your own promo company and match-make your own fights if you feel it is so easy peasy. Does everyone want great fights? Of course? Can great fights be made every single time out? Don't think so. I don't doubt there are many who complain about some match ups on HBO or Showtime being mismatches, but the same folks will still watch them regardless. Same will go for PBC. These fools really think great fights can happen every time out. With them running the sport it will be done in months. They arent smart enough to realize there isnt enough talent in the pool. Hopefully with PBC the younger kids can get off the "major sport" train and see boxing is profitable and start training for it

Everything PBC had put on so far would have been on HBO or showtime and people wouldn't butch like they are now. Exactly. The problem is Haymon. They claim its something else but it isnt. Exactly. If people don't like the match ups, form your own promo company and match-make your own fights if you feel it is so easy peasy. Does everyone want great fights? Of course? Can great fights be made every single time out? Don't think so. I don't doubt there are many who complain about some match ups on HBO or Showtime being mismatches, but the same folks will still watch them regardless. Same will go for PBC.

Everything PBC had put on so far would have been on HBO or showtime and people wouldn't butch like they are now. The problem is Haymon. They claim its something else but it isnt.

Man, people still don't get it. It's the quality of the fights fans are complaining about. It's not because it's not free. Have you heard anyone complain why HBO/SHO fights are not free? Everything PBC had put on so far would have been on HBO or showtime and people wouldn't butch like they are now.

Man, people still don't get it. It's the quality of the fights fans are complaining about. It's not because it's not free. Have you heard anyone complain why HBO/SHO fights are not free? No but i have heard many many many times about the quality of fights on HBO/Showtime....or is that different

Man, people still don't get it. It's the quality of the fights fans are complaining about. It's not because it's not free. Have you heard anyone complain why HBO/SHO fights are not free? The amazing thing is that threads like this pop up and there are tons of people defending Haymon and his PBC. But look at threads about his fighters, like the recent one on Quillin and his problem making weight, and you never see ANYONE standing up for his fighters. Not for Quillin, not for Chavez Jr., not for Stevenson, not for ANY of them. It's like the people defending him in threads like this don't care about the fights in the slightest.

Man, people still don't get it. It's the quality of the fights fans are complaining about. It's not because it's not free. Have you heard anyone complain why HBO/SHO fights are not free?

So, what is your point? I thought your 'concern' was based on "When the chips are down, which side do you think he will come down on?" Basically, you're worried that Al Haymon might pick the investors over the fighters in PBC model. This while you exult the current model where you KNOW promoters and networks pick their own interest above all, leaving your favorite fighters twisting in the wind either underpaid (Kovalev), shut down over contract disputes (Ward; Mikey Garcia) or fighting in some random locale/casino (Macau) while they're lining their pockets with unshared site fee money and broadcast revenues. Again, why is this 'loyalty' question now such a hot button for you? Why act like Al Haymon is some 'new' evil to this sport? OF COURSE Promoters and networks put their own interests first. That is what they are supposed to do and if they did not do that, they should be fired. Do you think the owner of a company is running it for his employees' benefit? NO! He is running it to earn money!! You think your favourite restaurant wants to give you the best deal possible on your meals? Dream on! They want to make the most profit possible while giving you meals at a price that you are willing to pay. And I have no pity for people like Ward or Chavez Jr. or any other fighter who suddenly decides his contract is not good enough. It is their responsibility not to sign a contract that does not meet their requirements and that they are not satisfied with. People around here are fracking naïve. Do you think Haymon is doing this out of the goodness of his heart and wants to make his fighters rich men? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Haymon wants to make as much profit for himself as he possibly can, first and foremost. Second, he wants to make as much money for his investors as possible so that they will invest in future products. The fighters? He wants to give them as much sugar as it takes to get them to sign their lives away and then pay them as little as possible once they take the bait.

PBC is good for boxing overall, the only beef I have is the same with all boxing, too many mismatches and non competitive fights. The Broner fight was terrible, Thurman fight was ok, but it was a big mismatch, Broner vs Guerrero would have been good and Molina would have got KO'd by Thurman, but at least the fight would have been worth watching. The match making has been terrible, if they switched opponents on Broner card the fights would have been better, same with Stevenson card last week. If the match making doesn't get better, it will flop. Funny thing is the fights this week at least look better on paper.

You have to realize that most of the people who post on this site are simpleminded people. They cannot relate to what Haymon is doing. You are right. It does take time to build a brand. You know that. I know that. The investors who invested in PBC know that, just as the investors who invested in Microsoft, Apple and even the UFC knew that. All serious investors know that it will take two to three years before they see a profit from any new company or venture that they have invested in. However, the simpletons on this site think that every new business should make a profit from the start or it is a failure, so they think that the PBC and Roc Nation are complete failures. I hope the PBC is a huge success, but even if it is not, I appreciate the fact that it will help provide up with as much boxing on television as we see of pro baseball, football or basketball per year. And just like those other professional sports, we will see some mismatches, but we will also get to see some great quality contests. The simpletons who criticize Haymon either don't understand that or just looking for an excuse to criticize him because he is associated with Floyd Mayweather. I do agree with you that people on here hate on Haymon because of his association to Floyd Mayweather but in the same token Mayweather fans love Haymon because he is associated with Haymon without looking at the pros/cons. Most of the time when "simpletons" (as you say) hate, the hate can be be vice versa or go both ways. A true boxing fan should love boxing on network television which I am sure most do but on the other hand, a lot of people feel that Haymon has further divided boxing in its cold war with his PBC brand. Also there are alot of salty Golden Boy fans, which IMO they have the right to be salty, Haymon did their boy dirty "but" all is fair in business. My personal opinion of Haymon is, very skeptical. On one hand, hes putting on decent cards but when will they run out? He has a HUGE boxing stable but its obvious, Haymon has favorites. & PBC, its great that its on TV but it lacks personality. PBC has its good and bad, people dont like change because of fear of the unkown, but as a business person myself, I just hope he isnt doing what I think he is doing to boxing...

GBP and Top Rank are both PROMOTERS. Al Haymon is NOT a promoter, in fact he has gone through great pains not to be considered as a promoter by taking on the title of either advisor or manager or both in some cases. But he has NEVER been a promoter and is actually prevented from acting as a PROMOTER by the ALI ACT. Look it up. You might find it interesting. So, what is your point? I thought your 'concern' was based on "When the chips are down, which side do you think he will come down on?" Basically, you're worried that Al Haymon might pick the investors over the fighters in PBC model. This while you exult the current model where you KNOW promoters and networks pick their own interest above all, leaving your favorite fighters twisting in the wind either underpaid (Kovalev), shut down over contract disputes (Ward; Mikey Garcia) or fighting in some random locale/casino (Macau) while they're lining their pockets with unshared site fee money and broadcast revenues. Again, why is this 'loyalty' question now such a hot button for you? Why act like Al Haymon is some 'new' evil to this sport?

A good lot of these Haymon Haters are just jealous the dude's taking over boxing. They're afraid he'll top Don King and Arum as promoters. Dude's a multimillionaire, and the haters are barely scraping by earning a living. But watch the PBC fights they must. :baby:

Again, this is not unique to Al Haymon. GBP has long had actual shareholders. Before they divested, did you question whether GBP was 'pro fighter' or more loyal to AEG 'when the chips were down'? When Top Rank is willing to let real (Macau casinos) and imaginary (Falcon Hawk) investment groups foot the financial bill for his cards, did you question where his loyalties lie? Look at Main Events dilemma now. Will they let Kovalev get that money when a (in all likelihood) Haymon funded purse bid victory sets up the Stevenson fight? Or is she more interested in protecting her 'relationship' with HBO by never approving that fight? Again, not sure where all the newfound 'concern' is coming from. I have never seen anyone actually make this argument. Seems strawman to me. GBP and Top Rank are both PROMOTERS. Al Haymon is NOT a promoter, in fact he has gone through great pains not to be considered as a promoter by taking on the title of either advisor or manager or both in some cases. But he has NEVER been a promoter and is actually prevented from acting as a PROMOTER by the ALI ACT. Look it up. You might find it interesting.

Personally i think it is way too early to judge. His overall plan seems to be the 'UFC' model. Make the PBC the biggest, most talked about arena in boxing and then sign up all the talent on the back of that. It will take time, but if he succeeds i think it will be a good thing. A model of boxing where the sport (or in this case the organisation) is bigger than the fighters is good for us as fans. Its something that I've wanted to happen for a long time. However if he fails all he will have achieved is dividing the sport, and the talent pool, into yet another fragment, which in turn cheapens and weakens boxing as a brand.

Haymon should get the nobel peace prize for boxing. He's a modern day icon.

Who Cares what "People" think, they will watch...they might watch just to b1tch and complain like Women on their Periods but regardless THEY WILL WATCH! It's these attitude that boxing fans have that is so detrimental to the sport and allows people like Haymon to put on BS cards if he so wishes...."they'll watch anyway"...thing is, they won't. The majority of sports fans will tune out if the fights are not attractive enough and genuine 50/50 competitions. On top of that, a product like this needs to gain a big overall audience to bring boxing back into the mainstream, which is the whole point of this network project, but who will watch a decent fighter fight a bum on a weekly basis? It doesn't work and it damages the reputation of the sport further.

I haven't seen many people recently bashing what he's doing with free cable shows but certainly he's a pain in the ass with his match-making ability. Where do you guys get this free cable tv everyone keeps talking about?

you dont think berto-lopez would headline hbo boxing after dark? What is this, 2011?