Don't just give up on Al Haymon just yet...

I agree that Saturday night is not a good spot for a weekly show... Boxing needs to takeover on a Tuesday or Wednesday when many more people are home and you won't have to compete vs football or basketball... agree with this. even other sports comes on weekdays

What will determine success is how many people watch the program. They can put whatever match they want on, but if no one tunes in, no one makes money. They already have a mountain to climb just because it is boxing, which appeals mainly to the male demographic. The second hill is the fact it is on Saturday night. It's Saturday night and your girl wants to go out and you want to stay in and watch the fight. Well the big question turns into whether you want to get laid that night or not - or at all in the coming week. Guess who's gonna win that one? Not the head on your shoulders. It is impossible for a Saturday night show to bring in enough advertising dollars to support the cost of a weekly boxing show. Maybe a special broadcast 6 times a year or so would be profitable. A weekly show with million dollar purses? I can't see it. I agree that Saturday night is not a good spot for a weekly show... Boxing needs to takeover on a Tuesday or Wednesday when many more people are home and you won't have to compete vs football or basketball...

What will determine success is how many people watch the program. They can put whatever match they want on, but if no one tunes in, no one makes money. They already have a mountain to climb just because it is boxing, which appeals mainly to the male demographic. The second hill is the fact it is on Saturday night. It's Saturday night and your girl wants to go out and you want to stay in and watch the fight. Well the big question turns into whether you want to get laid that night or not - or at all in the coming week. Guess who's gonna win that one? Not the head on your shoulders. It is impossible for a Saturday night show to bring in enough advertising dollars to support the cost of a weekly boxing show. Maybe a special broadcast 6 times a year or so would be profitable. A weekly show with million dollar purses? I can't see it. who says the shows will always have those purses? that's a foolish assumption on your part. not every fight will have purses that high. If they do, and you watch a great fight on TV, that's all that matters. It seems like your real fear is that this will succeed and Haymon will be able to pay fighters more, which will attract good fighters signed to promoters/other networks, which will make this even more successful.

This is a good post. WHat will determine success is the quality of fights he puts on. If the series consistently provides quality fights whether it be name guys or up and comers-it should be a success. If the fights are all boring mismatches it will fail unless the public decides that's what it likes and they watch, which is possible but extremely unlikely. What will determine success is how many people watch the program. They can put whatever match they want on, but if no one tunes in, no one makes money. They already have a mountain to climb just because it is boxing, which appeals mainly to the male demographic. The second hill is the fact it is on Saturday night. It's Saturday night and your girl wants to go out and you want to stay in and watch the fight. Well the big question turns into whether you want to get laid that night or not - or at all in the coming week. Guess who's gonna win that one? Not the head on your shoulders. It is impossible for a Saturday night show to bring in enough advertising dollars to support the cost of a weekly boxing show. Maybe a special broadcast 6 times a year or so would be profitable. A weekly show with million dollar purses? I can't see it.

Why is it that because some of us do not like the way things are being done, it is assumed we want this to fail? What we want is a quality boxing show on television, one that has a chance to survive and brings the excitement of the sport to the home screen. I want a show that is open to all promoters and all fighters, not a boxing version of the UFC. I want a show that tries to correct the problems in boxing, not one that adds more problems to the mix and a new title belt. I cannot see any possible way this can succeed with how it has begun. Mismatched fights, over inflated purses, predictable outcomes, lack of energy, no style at all and total disrespect for the existing titles and history of the sport. No thanks. Reboot and try again. give it time man im happy boxing is on tv

'Trying to create a boxing UFC' is an empty statement. All that actually means is that he's trying to gain control over the sport, which is the exact same as what everyone in boxing from the mob to Kellie Maloney has wanted to do. Haymon is just a well-resourced version of the same thing that's been in the sport since day 1 - profiteers (or entrepreneurs if you prefer) trying to corner the market. The weird thing with Haymon is that he has followers who think all the ducking and diving and shoddy match-making should be forgiven, because it's a means to the same end that every other promoter is chasing as well. I don't see why Haymon is especially worthy of support, or why he should be forgiven for practices which corrupt the sport just because he's ambitious. It's like cheering for some company to corner the smartphone market, and applauding the ****ty products they sell you because it helps them become more profitable. If they become really profitable, they might sell you a good phone someday! Well why not sell you a good product now? I guess that would make too much sense. Al has brought nothing but mismatches with his new venture. Every fight has a slight feel of a fix when Al is involved. Man, I don't want anything boxing related to fail (Except that bkb bull****) but if al haymon doesnt put on competitive fights then what is the point of having boxing on network tv in the us when the public will get bored and it will do more harm than good? That's the question I'm asking. Haymon's antics are supposedly acceptable because he's trying to take over the sport. In other words, it's fine being corrupt and undermining the sport as long as you're ambitious about it.

Man, I don't want anything boxing related to fail (Except that bkb bull****) but if al haymon doesnt put on competitive fights then what is the point of having boxing on network tv in the us when the public will get bored and it will do more harm than good? On paper, other than bika, all these fights looked competitive. In any sport you never know what you gonna get. So far no casual ive spoken to has thought the 3 cards sucked. And many are actually excited about sat card. Garcia more popular than given credit for....and my wife thinks hes cute but to thuggish. Kinda like Algeri, dont talk

Man, I don't want anything boxing related to fail (Except that bkb bull****) but if al haymon doesnt put on competitive fights then what is the point of having boxing on network tv in the us when the public will get bored and it will do more harm than good? This is a good post. WHat will determine success is the quality of fights he puts on. If the series consistently provides quality fights whether it be name guys or up and comers-it should be a success. If the fights are all boring mismatches it will fail unless the public decides that's what it likes and they watch, which is possible but extremely unlikely.

Networks will not pick up a show unless it shows a decent profit. They will not be interested in a Saturday night program with the overhead of a hit midweek prime time show and the revenue of a typical Saturday night show. They would lose money hand over fist. Networks also tend to want exclusive rights to their television properties. This is why they sign these huge deals with the NFL, MLB, NHL, etc... You will not see the same show on CBS and ABC and FOX and NBC. DUde, you have no idea what the networks want now or in the future. If the PBC series shows to be a ratings hit, the networks will likely invest. Again, I understand you want Al Haymon to not be successful at this endeavor. That doesn't mean the networks or his initial investors will cut him off.

Man, I don't want anything boxing related to fail (Except that bkb bull****) but if al haymon doesnt put on competitive fights then what is the point of having boxing on network tv in the us when the public will get bored and it will do more harm than good?

I know-it says that in the post. If the networks pick up the show that will change. Networks will not pick up a show unless it shows a decent profit. They will not be interested in a Saturday night program with the overhead of a hit midweek prime time show and the revenue of a typical Saturday night show. They would lose money hand over fist. Networks also tend to want exclusive rights to their television properties. This is why they sign these huge deals with the NFL, MLB, NHL, etc... You will not see the same show on CBS and ABC and FOX and NBC.

Al has brought nothing but mismatches with his new venture. Every fight has a slight feel of a fix when Al is involved.

i actually like a haymon financial advisor type in a boxer's team but im not a fan of the pbc brand at all. What some people don't realize is that while there may be some very good fights that gets put on by PBC, if there was no PBC, those very same fights would still get put on. With no PBC and no stake for Haymon to a boxing league, I could very well see him managing **** ton of boxers at free agent status paying promoters flat fees, maximizing profits, having networks or promoters bidding on top fights etc. It is his stake in PBC that prevents certain fights because he has to protect his investments and/or not do business with rivals.

Because the idea behind any business enterprise is to make money. Programming on 'free' television is advertiser driven, it is paid for by advertiser money. The highest rated comedy right now is Big Band Theory with 6 primary cast members who are paid 1 million dollars per episode. That is 6 million bucks plus the incidental cast members and production costs which are not that high as it is shot on a sound stage with a live audience and the sets have long been paid for. The combined purse for the first PBC show was close to the salaries of the stars of the HIGHEST RATED show on television, the show that charges the highest advertising rates possible because it pulls in audiences over 14 MILLION every show. Then you have to add in the cost to purchase the time slot. How will PBC, even if they could cut their expenses in half, manage to charge profitable advertising rates to pay expenses and the high purses they will have to continue paying to keep the fighters happy? And they have to do this on the worst nights for ratings, Friday and Saturday. You simply cannot compare boxing to sports such as baseball, football or even hockey which have BILLION DOLLAR, MULTI YEAR television and sponsorship deals. When was the last time you say a boxer sell a sweater for a few hundred dollars? Try pricing official hockey or baseball or football gear for a few laughs. That is only ONE of the reasons team sports are sustainable with the high salaries they pay. No network is going to offer a billion dollar deal to boxing. Anyone who thinks they will is delusional. Maybe Haymon has chosen to lose now to win in the long run. He hasn't explained the model to anyone, so its hard to determine whether it can be sustained. I know you want it to fail, but that doesn't mean it will.

'Trying to create a boxing UFC' is an empty statement. All that actually means is that he's trying to gain control over the sport, which is the exact same as what everyone in boxing from the mob to Kellie Maloney has wanted to do. Haymon is just a well-resourced version of the same thing that's been in the sport since day 1 - profiteers (or entrepreneurs if you prefer) trying to corner the market. The weird thing with Haymon is that he has followers who think all the ducking and diving and shoddy match-making should be forgiven, because it's a means to the same end that every other promoter is chasing as well. I don't see why Haymon is especially worthy of support, or why he should be forgiven for practices which corrupt the sport just because he's ambitious. It's like cheering for some company to corner the smartphone market, and applauding the ****ty products they sell you because it helps them become more profitable. If they become really profitable, they might sell you a good phone someday! Well why not sell you a good product now? I guess that would make too much sense.

The networks arent paying him. He's paying the networks. I know-it says that in the post. If the networks pick up the show that will change.

WHy does larger purses equate to failure? Higher athlete salary doesn't hurt any other sport. Haymon is paying the fighters out of his own pocket. If he continues to get investors and the networks pay him then the model is sustainable. The networks arent paying him. He's paying the networks.

its like they want it to fail, i dont understand why a boxing fan wants this to fail so badly... hmmmmm Why is it that because some of us do not like the way things are being done, it is assumed we want this to fail? What we want is a quality boxing show on television, one that has a chance to survive and brings the excitement of the sport to the home screen. I want a show that is open to all promoters and all fighters, not a boxing version of the UFC. I want a show that tries to correct the problems in boxing, not one that adds more problems to the mix and a new title belt. I cannot see any possible way this can succeed with how it has begun. Mismatched fights, over inflated purses, predictable outcomes, lack of energy, no style at all and total disrespect for the existing titles and history of the sport. No thanks. Reboot and try again.

Al was the visionary but im all about PBC. How any true boxing fan wants this to fail is beyond me He's trying to turn boxing into the UFC. Have you seen what a joke the UFC is?

Al was the visionary but im all about PBC. How any true boxing fan wants this to fail is beyond me its like they want it to fail, i dont understand why a boxing fan wants this to fail so badly... hmmmmm