Skill Trumps All.. Or Does It?

Cream always rises to the top. Rigo's career is stagnant because of Caribe. Lara isn't appreciated because he doesn't strive to be great. He wants to get by doing as little as possible. Ward's career is stagnant because of himself. All of these fighters can sell tickets and earn a good living if they have a realistic mindset and a solid promotional campaign. Technically skilled boxers can sell tickets and its been proven throughout history. But a big misconception is that only defensive counter punchers and pure boxers can be technically skilled. Brawlers, swarmers, boxer/punchers, etc. can also be technically skilled. Really they have to be to make it to the elite. Bottom line is, the best fighters will always rise to the top period with the right promotion. Nationality plays a role but only to an extent. Not every Mexican fighter is a superstar. You have to be skilled and win. We all know why Rigondeaux doesn't sell, his promoters simply refuse to give him the proper push. Lara on the other hand, he has the skills and talent but like you said, he doesn't push himself hard enough. If he would have fought the Canelo fight the way he did against Angulo and Williams, he would have made alo't more fans and regardless of the outcome of the fight, people might have just gravitated more towards him. Look at Marquez, he said it himself.... He was skilled and talented, had all the fundamentals to be a great fighter throughout his career yet the Mexican boxing fans ignored his rise through the ranks, for the most part. So what did he do? He modified his style and became more aggressive, sure he suffered more than a few KD's here and there but the people's interest began to sway. Why? Well because on top of being talented and skilled, he was now providing the audience with excitement, in turn they would not only be entertained but awed as well. All you have to do is look at most All Time Great Boxing Rankings...History Shows that Skills Trumps All Skilled Fighters are not unbeatable but if you don't have the Skills to match usually it takes a great Strategy or a Punchers Chance. Sandy Saddler did not have the Skills to match Willie Pep so what he did? His STRATEGY was to make it a ugly and dirty fight. Just an example but Saddler still had some SKILLS. It doesn't matter what so new boxing fan THINKS! This new ERA of Boxing fans are nothing but CRYBABIES, guys spend most of the day on this forum especially complaining about something or criticizing fighters for something. Rare do you see anything positive and that is SAD. Please don't blame it on no damn "Casual boxing Fans" it is guys who been signed up to this forum since 2007-2008 still posting the same childish BS :lol1: Well, positive or negative.. what the fans think does matter. In fact, it goes hand and hand with any type of success in any sport or entertainment business. Does boxing have lame fans? Sure, but it also has a ton of great fans as well. It's like Broner's retarded statement after the PBC event where he claimed he outboxed Molina and risked nothing because "the fans ain't gone pay mah bills". How retarded was that? Regardless of what anyone believes the fans do pay his bills, food, cars, everything! Casuals and harcores alike.. money doesn't discriminate. In terms of determining the outcome of a fight-I always take skill over power. In terms of what draws people to an event-nationality may make people tune in more. I am sure part of the motivation for Mexican fans tuning into Canelo/Floyd was to see if a Mexican boxer could beat the best in the world. True, but what about the Mayweather fights where their is no Mexican involved? Didn't GGG just fight overseas against a non Mexican National and he still drew 6 million in ratings down there? That's a significant number, and there was no Mexican involved. Sure GGG promotes himself as a fighter using the "Mexican Style" and all but I highly doubt that's the only reason why so many Mexicans tuned in. Just like Floyd, people don't just tune in to watch him lose... they actually tune in because a great fighter and usually brings some type of antic along with his performance. God given ability Skills iQ Charisma Ring IQ, right? :lol1: Cause alot of these fighters don't seem too bright outside of the squared circle.

Cream always rises to the top. Rigo's career is stagnant because of Caribe. Lara isn't appreciated because he doesn't strive to be great. He wants to get by doing as little as possible. Ward's career is stagnant because of himself. All of these fighters can sell tickets and earn a good living if they have a realistic mindset and a solid promotional campaign. Technically skilled boxers can sell tickets and its been proven throughout history. But a big misconception is that only defensive counter punchers and pure boxers can be technically skilled. Brawlers, swarmers, boxer/punchers, etc. can also be technically skilled. Really they have to be to make it to the elite. Bottom line is, the best fighters will always rise to the top period with the right promotion. Nationality plays a role but only to an extent. Not every Mexican fighter is a superstar. You have to be skilled and win. Lara and Ward aren't that good.

The will must be stronger than the will. -Ali :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

skill trumps

In terms of determining the outcome of a fight-I always take skill over power. In terms of what draws people to an event-nationality may make people tune in more. I am sure part of the motivation for Mexican fans tuning into Canelo/Floyd was to see if a Mexican boxer could beat the best in the world.

All you have to do is look at most All Time Great Boxing Rankings...History Shows that Skills Trumps All Skilled Fighters are not unbeatable but if you don't have the Skills to match usually it takes a great Strategy or a Punchers Chance. Sandy Saddler did not have the Skills to match Willie Pep so what he did? His STRATEGY was to make it a ugly and dirty fight. Just an example but Saddler still had some SKILLS. It doesn't matter what so new boxing fan THINKS! This new ERA of Boxing fans are nothing but CRYBABIES, guys spend most of the day on this forum especially complaining about something or criticizing fighters for something. Rare do you see anything positive and that is SAD. Please don't blame it on no damn "Casual boxing Fans" it is guys who been signed up to this forum since 2007-2008 still posting the same childish BS :lol1:

Cream always rises to the top. Rigo's career is stagnant because of Caribe. Lara isn't appreciated because he doesn't strive to be great. He wants to get by doing as little as possible. Ward's career is stagnant because of himself. All of these fighters can sell tickets and earn a good living if they have a realistic mindset and a solid promotional campaign. Technically skilled boxers can sell tickets and its been proven throughout history. But a big misconception is that only defensive counter punchers and pure boxers can be technically skilled. Brawlers, swarmers, boxer/punchers, etc. can also be technically skilled. Really they have to be to make it to the elite. Bottom line is, the best fighters will always rise to the top period with the right promotion. Nationality plays a role but only to an extent. Not every Mexican fighter is a superstar. You have to be skilled and win.

connection (nationality, sob story, underdog, etc) with a fanbase is only necessary for the initial hype-up. if the boxer truly have skills, he will keep winning and have longevity then everyone will hop that bandwagon. nowadays many fan's levels are like ATG/legend and the rest hype jobs or journeyman. boxers stay hypejobs/journeyman unless they been fighting 15+ years, won multiple division titles and boxers don't have that type of career without having consistent great skills.

If skill trumped all we wouldn't need weight classes.

The will must be stronger than the will. -Ali

I missed the entertainment factor. I think a fighter needs the perfect blend of both Entertainment and skill to succeed in the sport beyond FNF and Sho Extreme boxing cards. Mayweather's style may be boring to most casuals, but he makes up for his lack of entertainment value in the ring by being a character outside of it. Saul Canelo Alvarez may lack Elite level skills and talent, but he makes up for it by being courageous and taking on difficult challenges when they present themselves. I suppose... if anything it takes at least two elements to make a fighter appealing to the fans on a bigger scale. Casuals dont find him boring. They only hate it when he runs like he did with Marcos and Ghost. That was AWFUL what he did. The Floyd who outslicked the hell out of JMM, Walked Down Canelo, is a special fighter. People appreciate greatness. People dont care about Floyd outside of the ring. That has nothing to do with his skills, which people DO care about. People like Tiger because of how great and special he was. MJ, Kobe etc. I never bought into the notion that people sat through Floyd's masterpieces because they was hoping he would lose. That makes no sense. When he is sharp, its so amazing what he does. I always felt that casuals were in AWE of boxing being executed at this level. Their so used to SRL, and Ali, running around the ring throwing jabs, get you hurt, then KO you. Floyd dont get the KO, but he fights like a holligram. I find it VERY entertaining, and we all have the same eyes, and see the same thing. But because he has haters, they lie after every fight and say it was boring. And credible nonbiased people have a habit of repeating things that haters say!

Most fans are casual. They don't understand the science part of it. They want to watch rock'em sock'em action. That is why MMA is popular because although Martial Arts are of course an Art, it is a full on fight rather just using hands. If skills trumped all then people would know Lara doesn't run or Rigo is a master at his craft. People want "entertainment", they don't care how many counters you know for the jab. Now if you belong to their nationality then that is just a plus. So, it is a combo of excitement and nationality. GGG is exciting, hence why Mexicans have claimed him as theirs, but I bet he would be popular anywhere. Come on there is a reason why Mayweather fights on Mexican holidays. Chavez Jr is exceptionally basic and average, but he is exciting and has the "right" fan base, so he got this far. Summary: Exciting AND Nationality, but being exciting alone will get you far, nationality alone won't because well look at Lara and Rigo. boxing is entertainment.

boxing skills is very overated. as part of popularity/money and in winning fights. just because you're good doesn't mean it guarantees popularity/money. and ppl overate technical skills overlooking physical skills like chin, stamina, durability and other intangibles like heart, will, courage.

Most fans are casual. They don't understand the science part of it. They want to watch rock'em sock'em action. That is why MMA is popular because although Martial Arts are of course an Art, it is a full on fight rather just using hands. If skills trumped all then people would know Lara doesn't run or Rigo is a master at his craft. People want "entertainment", they don't care how many counters you know for the jab. Now if you belong to their nationality then that is just a plus. So, it is a combo of excitement and nationality. GGG is exciting, hence why Mexicans have claimed him as theirs, but I bet he would be popular anywhere. Come on there is a reason why Mayweather fights on Mexican holidays. Chavez Jr is exceptionally basic and average, but he is exciting and has the "right" fan base, so he got this far. Summary: Exciting AND Nationality, but being exciting alone will get you far, nationality alone won't because well look at Lara and Rigo. I missed the entertainment factor. I think a fighter needs the perfect blend of both Entertainment and skill to succeed in the sport beyond FNF and Sho Extreme boxing cards. Mayweather's style may be boring to most casuals, but he makes up for his lack of entertainment value in the ring by being a character outside of it. Saul Canelo Alvarez may lack Elite level skills and talent, but he makes up for it by being courageous and taking on difficult challenges when they present themselves. I suppose... if anything it takes at least two elements to make a fighter appealing to the fans on a bigger scale.

Most fans are casual. They don't understand the science part of it. They want to watch rock'em sock'em action. That is why MMA is popular because although Martial Arts are of course an Art, it is a full on fight rather just using hands. If skills trumped all then people would know Lara doesn't run or Rigo is a master at his craft. People want "entertainment", they don't care how many counters you know for the jab. Now if you belong to their nationality then that is just a plus. So, it is a combo of excitement and nationality. GGG is exciting, hence why Mexicans have claimed him as theirs, but I bet he would be popular anywhere. Come on there is a reason why Mayweather fights on Mexican holidays. Chavez Jr is exceptionally basic and average, but he is exciting and has the "right" fan base, so he got this far. Summary: Exciting AND Nationality, but being exciting alone will get you far, nationality alone won't because well look at Lara and Rigo. I accept that Rigo is a master of his craft but that Lara is a certified runner man. I wasn't bothered one bit when they robbed him against Canelo.

Most fans are casual. They don't understand the science part of it. They want to watch rock'em sock'em action. That is why MMA is popular because although Martial Arts are of course an Art, it is a full on fight rather just using hands. If skills trumped all then people would know Lara doesn't run or Rigo is a master at his craft. People want "entertainment", they don't care how many counters you know for the jab. Now if you belong to their nationality then that is just a plus. So, it is a combo of excitement and nationality. GGG is exciting, hence why Mexicans have claimed him as theirs, but I bet he would be popular anywhere. Come on there is a reason why Mayweather fights on Mexican holidays. Chavez Jr is exceptionally basic and average, but he is exciting and has the "right" fan base, so he got this far. Summary: Exciting AND Nationality, but being exciting alone will get you far, nationality alone won't because well look at Lara and Rigo.