WBC Middleweight Title Situation

It's amazing to me how some people around here shout at the top of their lungs that they hate Cotto fanboys/d*ck riders, while jumping up and down on GGG's d*ck. You guys are incredible calling for Cotto to vacate, he's a paper champion saying he will get destroyed if he fights GGG, he's a diva, he's a moron making dumb decisions, he's a coward a bum and so on and so on. But this man has never ducked anyone in his career yet he is ducking anyone with a pulse. The WBC did something that sanctioning body's don't normally do, they allowed the champion of another title become the mandatory to their champion and even worse made him an intern champion sharing top billing with their real champion. If you think Suleyman won't change his ruling for either a Canelo or Mayweather vs Cotto fight, I have a bridge to sell you. http://media.giphy.com/media/ZxrpYTevDLmmY/giphy.gif

It's amazing to me how some people around here shout at the top of their lungs that they hate Cotto fanboys/d*ck riders, while jumping up and down on GGG's d*ck. You guys are incredible calling for Cotto to vacate, he's a paper champion saying he will get destroyed if he fights GGG, he's a diva, he's a moron making dumb decisions, he's a coward a bum and so on and so on. But this man has never ducked anyone in his career yet he is ducking anyone with a pulse. The WBC did something that sanctioning body's don't normally do, they allowed the champion of another title become the mandatory to their champion and even worse made him an intern champion sharing top billing with their real champion. If you think Suleyman won't change his ruling for either a Canelo or Mayweather vs Cotto fight, I have a bridge to sell you.

From RING: 1.The Champion loses a fight in the weight class in which he is champion. 2.The Champion moves to another weight class. 3.The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months. 4.The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight). 5.The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years. 6.The Champion retires. 7.The Champion tests positive for a banned substance. I wonder if number 4 considers catch weights to be at the championship weight. I certainly do not. So if Cotto does not defend his belt against a middleweight at MW weight limits for 18 months, he can be stripped. If he drops to 154 to fight for a title, he can be stripped at 160 as that could be considered moving to another weight class. This right here. Wish I had seen it before I went looking for them my self. lol

Here's another example I got off wikipedia. "For example, George Foreman was considered lineal champion from 1994 until 1997, when Shannon Briggs beat him. After the WBA and IBF stripped him of their titles in 1995, Foreman fought only two, low-ranked opponents before Briggs." As for the rules (straight from ring mag) Here are the seven situations in which a champion can lose his belt: The Champion loses a fight in the weight class in which he is champion. The Champion moves to another weight class. The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months. The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight). The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years. The Champion retires. The Champion tests positive for a banned substance.

The RING title has little value to anyone other than hard core fans. There is no physical belt to carry into the ring and I have never heard of a fighter being announced in the ring as "The RING magazine champion". I have obviously not seen every fight that has ever happened, but I have never seen that happen in my personal experience. I don't know if I have even heard of a fighter being announced as the RING champion along with other title belts. Not that I can remember. There is a physical Ring belt. Fighters also want it , and they don't have to pay a sanctioning fee to get it.

No doubt money is more important than titles to Canelo and everyone else but remember Lara had the WBA world/regular and Mayweather had the WBA Super so Canelo didn't value it very highly, probably correctly. Cotto has the WBC and Ring 160 titles, those have value. I'm sure he'd rather fight Cotto with them than without. The RING title has little value to anyone other than hard core fans. There is no physical belt to carry into the ring and I have never heard of a fighter being announced in the ring as "The RING magazine champion". I have obviously not seen every fight that has ever happened, but I have never seen that happen in my personal experience. I don't know if I have even heard of a fighter being announced as the RING champion along with other title belts. Not that I can remember.

I've said this a couple of times, but people seem to overlook this fact. This is the same scenario that happened when WBC stripped Martinez and handed the belt to JCC jr; Martinez remained ring/lineal champ. I wasn't 100% sure of this until recently when I read the rules (I'll try and find them and post here). Basically the lineal champ can only lose his lineal champ status if he loses a fight, retires/inactive for 2 (i think), or is convicted (or something of the sort). In short, he can't be stripped of the lineal championship. From RING: 1.The Champion loses a fight in the weight class in which he is champion. 2.The Champion moves to another weight class. 3.The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months. 4.The Champion does not schedule a fight at his championship weight for 18 months (even if he fights at another weight). 5.The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years. 6.The Champion retires. 7.The Champion tests positive for a banned substance. I wonder if number 4 considers catch weights to be at the championship weight. I certainly do not. So if Cotto does not defend his belt against a middleweight at MW weight limits for 18 months, he can be stripped. If he drops to 154 to fight for a title, he can be stripped at 160 as that could be considered moving to another weight class.

You're saying Canelo would rather fight Cotto for a title. I'm saying Canelo doesn't care because he did the exact situation I'm describing when he fought Lara. Instead of making 154 for a vacant alphabet title and paying a sanctioning fee, he said we'll do the fight at 155 for no title. My point was he obviously doesn't give a sh*t about titles and just about money. No doubt money is more important than titles to Canelo and everyone else but remember Lara had the WBA world/regular and Mayweather had the WBA Super so Canelo didn't value it very highly, probably correctly. Cotto has the WBC and Ring 160 titles, those have value. I'm sure he'd rather fight Cotto with them than without.

Who and what are you talking about? You're saying Canelo would rather fight Cotto for a title. I'm saying Canelo doesn't care because he did the exact situation I'm describing when he fought Lara. Instead of making 154 for a vacant alphabet title and paying a sanctioning fee, he said we'll do the fight at 155 for no title. My point was he obviously doesn't give a sh*t about titles and just about money.

Are you sure that in case Cotto vacates the WBC belt (or Wbc strips him), Cotto will not retain the Ring "lineal" belt?... And then fight Floyd, in September, with that "lineal" belt on the table? I've said this a couple of times, but people seem to overlook this fact. This is the same scenario that happened when WBC stripped Martinez and handed the belt to JCC jr; Martinez remained ring/lineal champ. I wasn't 100% sure of this until recently when I read the rules (I'll try and find them and post here). Basically the lineal champ can only lose his lineal champ status if he loses a fight, retires/inactive for 2 (i think), or is convicted (or something of the sort). In short, he can't be stripped of the lineal championship. See? It wasn't that difficult to understand Cotto's moves... :) Cotto will wait for the May 2nd outcome -- in case Floyd wins, Cotto might skip even his June fight and go for Floyd in September, (possibly) with both belts on the table... :)

I guess that's why he dropped his title at 154 because he didn't feel like making weight? Or not drop it, but didn't choose to fight for a vacant title I should say and all because he didn't want to lose an extra pound. Who and what are you talking about?

When people don't uphold their side of a contract then you can sue them. People who say that titles don't mean anything don't have a clue about what they are talking about. I'm sure Canelo would rather fight Cotto for the 160 WBC and ring belt than not. I guess that's why he dropped his title at 154 because he didn't feel like making weight? Or not drop it, but didn't choose to fight for a vacant title I should say and all because he didn't want to lose an extra pound.

Are you sure that in case Cotto vacates the WBC belt (or Wbc strips him), Cotto will not retain the Ring "lineal" belt?... And then fight Floyd, in September, with that "lineal" belt on the table? I've said this a couple of times, but people seem to overlook this fact. This is the same scenario that happened when WBC stripped Martinez and handed the belt to JCC jr; Martinez remained ring/lineal champ. I wasn't 100% sure of this until recently when I read the rules (I'll try and find them and post here). Basically the lineal champ can only lose his lineal champ status if he loses a fight, retires/inactive for 2 (i think), or is convicted (or something of the sort). In short, he can't be stripped of the lineal championship.

Are you sure that in case Cotto vacates the WBC belt (or Wbc strips him), Cotto will not retain the Ring "lineal" belt?... And then fight Floyd, in September, with that "lineal" belt on the table? That is possible, unfortunately. But will RocNation and Haymon make a deal together? Big money so they probably would.

Are you sure that in case Cotto vacates the WBC belt (or Wbc strips him), Cotto will not retain the Ring "lineal" belt?... And then fight Floyd, in September, with that "lineal" belt on the table?

Golovkin would be very stupid to step aside as Cotto has already demonstrated that he has no respect for what sanctioning bodies say. So any agreement with him would not be worth a damn thing. Cotto-Canelo should be a big money fight with or without the MW title at stake, especially since people can't stop commenting on how titles don't mean anything. Cotto should vacate and GGG should in no way step aside for someone else. He has spent his career either being passed over for others or avoided. It's time he gets his due. When people don't uphold their side of a contract then you can sue them. People who say that titles don't mean anything don't have a clue about what they are talking about. I'm sure Canelo would rather fight Cotto for the 160 WBC and ring belt than not.

The only way Golovkin doesn't either get the WBC handed to him by Cotto vacating or get to fight for it at the end of the year is if he perhaps allows Cotto-Canelo to happen later in the year under the agreement that the winner fighters him early 2016. Golovkin would be very stupid to step aside as Cotto has already demonstrated that he has no respect for what sanctioning bodies say. So any agreement with him would not be worth a damn thing. Cotto-Canelo should be a big money fight with or without the MW title at stake, especially since people can't stop commenting on how titles don't mean anything. Cotto should vacate and GGG should in no way step aside for someone else. He has spent his career either being passed over for others or avoided. It's time he gets his due.

Haymon and Roc Nation obviously have beef but you think that will get in the way in making Mayweather-Cotto 2 PPV? If Mayweather wins in May who else is he going to fight to make PPV money? Thurman isn't a PPV fighter yet, Khan is a lose/lose situation for Floyd, risky fight but if he beats Khan he won't get any credit for it just another "glass chin, cherry pick". Plus Roc Nation needs a big fight to try and get things going for their promotion because seems like things aren't going too well for them so far. A Cotto loss to Mayweather doesn't hurt much but losing to Canelo or GGG makes Cotto irrelevant imo. And a second win over Cotto, who he has already cleanly and clearly beaten, does absolutely nothing for Mayweather. Who says he even bothers to fight again after May 2nd? It's not like he will need the money and beating Cotto again does nothing for his legacy, even if Cotto did still have the MW title to put up. Everyone knows that Cotto is a sham champion at 160. If Floyd was to take on Golovkin for the middleweight title, THAT would mean something. It would also put an end to his career and likely land him in hospital but that is another discussion. :)

The only way Golovkin doesn't either get the WBC handed to him by Cotto vacating or get to fight for it at the end of the year is if he perhaps allows Cotto-Canelo to happen later in the year under the agreement that the winner fights him early 2016.

I think the WBC already said the winner of Cotto's next fight must fight GGG next and Cotto said no Alphabet organization would tell him who he must fight which sounds like he won't fight GGG. Heiland is rated 9th in the world at middleweight so he is a decent acceptable challenger for Cotto's title IF Cotto fights him at the standard 160 limit and doesn't try to weaken Heilman by making the weight a catch weight with a limit below 160 pounds.