Also prior to the Martinez fight Cotto lost to Mayweather and later Trout, then fought an overmatched Delvin Rodriguez. Wasn't much hype going for Cotto towards the matchup, now he is kinda "rejuvenated", just won the middleweight crown, so everyone wants to see how he matches up against the top guy at middleweight, the god of war, the beloved GGG.
I myself don't need to see that fight, since it might end Cotto's career and i am very sure this fight isnt happening anyway. But Cotto has to vacate that belt, no longer keep it hostage.
Bingo. Yep.
Also prior to the Martinez fight Cotto lost to Mayweather and later Trout, then fought an overmatched Delvin Rodriguez. Wasn't much hype going for Cotto towards the matchup, now he is kinda "rejuvenated", just won the middleweight crown, so everyone wants to see how he matches up against the top guy at middleweight, the god of war, the beloved GGG.
I myself don't need to see that fight, since it might end Cotto's career and i am very sure this fight isnt happening anyway. But Cotto has to vacate that belt, no longer keep it hostage.
Cotto-Martinez was the much more popular fight, with lots of buzz and lots of support from Latino-Americans. That PPV did 350k.
How does a lesser known B-side in GGG generate an extra 150k buys more than Martinez? That's just not going to happen. You are overestimating GGG's drawing potential, who has never been on PPV. At least Martinez had done 500k vs Chavez Jr.
GGG much more in the media and the hype about him is miles bigger than Martinez. People are talking about GGG everywhere while not many were talking about Sergio even though he had a good run. Still a fan of Maravilla but he never got the exposure GGG is getting.
Cotto-Martinez was the much more popular fight, with lots of buzz and lots of support from Latino-Americans. That PPV did 350k.
How does a lesser known B-side in GGG generate an extra 150k buys more than Martinez? That's just not going to happen. You are overestimating GGG's drawing potential, who has never been on PPV. At least Martinez had done 500k vs Chavez Jr.
Although I dont think it will happen, I could see Cotto-GGG doing more than Cotto-Martinez for the simple fact people are waiting anxiously to see what GGG can do with a "real" opponent. Add the GGG hype to it and it could very well exceed 500k.
Chavez Jr vs Martinez surpassed Cottos numbers mainly because Chavez Jr has a huge Mexican following and Martinez was seen as his first "real" test.
Cotto isn't a coward, just wealthy enough to be able to afford the luxury of deciding whether he wants to be a warrior or not in a situation like this.
Money in the bank does not buy you a coward-free card. As the Middleweight Champion of the world, it is his duty to defend and face challengers. It is the ethics of boxing. If he wants to keep playing the Diva, he should vacate the title.
They already said they would do 20:80 against Cotto, can't find the link anymore but i am pretty sure about it. Also i think you underestimate GGG's drawing a bit, i think they would easily do 500k buys, that way Cotto would make even more than against Canelo. Also Canelo is out of the picture for now.
I totally understand that Cotto isn't fighting GGG and i will not be pushing for the fight as a GGG fan. Cotto will get destroyed and he has a 3 fight contract and that fight against GGG could end his career, how is he going to fulfill his contract then? Just vacate the belt and everything is fine, have your 3 goodbye fights against Bradley or whoever.
Cotto-Martinez was the much more popular fight, with lots of buzz and lots of support from Latino-Americans. That PPV did 350k.
How does a lesser known B-side in GGG generate an extra 150k buys more than Martinez? That's just not going to happen. You are overestimating GGG's drawing potential, who has never been on PPV. At least Martinez had done 500k vs Chavez Jr.
They already said they would do 20:80 against Cotto, can't find the link anymore but i am pretty sure about it. Also i think you underestimate GGG's drawing a bit, i think they would easily do 500k buys, that way Cotto would make even more than against Canelo. Also Canelo is out of the picture for now.
I totally understand that Cotto isn't fighting GGG and i will not be pushing for the fight as a GGG fan. Cotto will get destroyed and he has a 3 fight contract and that fight against GGG could end his career, how is he going to fulfill his contract then? Just vacate the belt and everything is fine, have your 3 goodbye fights against Bradley or whoever.
It would be a huge money fight. Cotto could possibly make even more against GGG than against canelo since the purse split would be highly in his favor. This is not about money. It's about cotto knowing he would get brutalized and dominated.
If Canelo-Cotto does 1 million buys, 50-50 of 1 million buys is $16,500,000 for each (For mathematicians out there that will do the math and see it doesn't add up; I subtracted the half that goes to cable network) @ $65 per PPV, not even including gate rev or PR/Mexico TV deals. If Cotto-GGG does 300-400k which is what I suspect it would do, Cotto taking 80% of that(best case scenario) of 450k PPV buys, that's $11.5 million. No way K2 agree to 80%, that's just best case scenario. They would probably go with 70-30 at most and would push for 65-35. So no, unless you are doing some unrealistic scenarios in your head, Cotto does not make more money fighting GGG than he does fighting Canelo, even if GGG's team bend down to a 80-20 split vs a 50-50 split with Canelo.
nothing wrong with being fans of your national fighters no different then rooting for the local football team as a matter of fact i find it shocking just how many people in america dont take the side of their own fighter
Def agree. But these Cotto fa9s take it to the next level. They are very biased and one-sided and act like Cotto can do no wrong.
Cotto's losses at 154 to naturally bigger fighters are not a concern for me. Besides, Cotto himself said he was not 100% for Trout fight. Why not pick one of Cotto's losses to the HGH brothers or his loss to Capetillo's prodigy?
When you are limited to downgrading my boy Cotto via the Trout fight at 154, or his losses to 3 SUSPECT opponents... I can only smile. That HGH is the shizzit doe.
Cotto was not 100% that night against Trout?? but Maravilla sure dam was when he fought Cotto huh? LOL! YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. In your mind you probably think Cottos undefeated right? You Cotto fans are something else.
The Maravilla, Foreman, and Margarito wins are suspect as they come. Why do you think they call your boy the handicap killa?
When you get over your fanboy d1kryding ass ways maybe then you can talk boxing along with the rest of us.
nothing wrong with being fans of your national fighters no different then rooting for the local football team as a matter of fact i find it shocking just how many people in america dont take the side of their own fighter
america is all immigrants. we've pretty much exterminated all the natives.
so ppl will root for their ancestry.
except blacks. they'll root for black americans over africans.
Even if GGG fought for free there wouldn't be enough money in this fight to tempt Cotto into doing it.
Scotty, did you read about the deal he did with Roc? Cotto is already rich beyond the dreams of all but a handfull of boxers and he's going to get richer still, without any need to take a beat-down from GGG in the process.
And GGG doesn't need to beat Cotto to become the lineal MW champ. If Cotto vacates and goes back down to SWW the lineal title will either be awarded to GGG by default, as he is Cotto's mandatory, or the winner of GGG vs whoever the WBC nominate to fight him for their belt will become lineal champ as well as WBC champ. That's how it works.
I think I read HBO will only support the Bundrage fight will only be accepted if Canelo is next. Rich or not they won't just accept any fight, look at the issues Ward is havi right now, HBO will not accept Oousthuizen as a tune up, considering the guy is an actul IBO champion I don't consider that an actual poor tune up for a guy inactive for 18 months right ?
I'm not so sure Cotto will vacate, rather hold onto the belt until he is offered acceptable terms from the likes of GGG or Canelo, Mayweather could even come back into the fold pursuing middleweight lineage. Either way Cotto won't be in a rush to vacate unless the WBc enforce the mandatory, which I don't see happening before Cotto has his next big fight lined up.
GGG and his handlers really need to put their money where their mouths are. As many have stated Cotto would be crucified by GGG, why would he be in a rush to face him for a fee he considers below his worth ? I'm not evens a huge Cotto fan, more so a GGG can actually, I just have to laugh at guys calling Cotto a coward and others demanding Cotto should face the Kazakh. Only the sadists of the site would truly want to see thst fight anyway.
I'm looking at potential fights for GGG at middleweight and don't see a genuine challenge for him at the weight, he should stop chasing the Cotto payday and move up for the competitive fights.
I don't think people fully understand the fact that Cotto holds the WBC, RING lineal middleweight title and is honor bound to defend those titles against the best challenger in the division who is also his mandatory challenger, Gennady Golovkin. If Cotto believes he is too small, he should vacate the title and go on his way.
here is more info on the topic:
After talking to Freddie Roach when he paid a visit to the Wild Card Gym to watch Manny Pacquiao train, Golovkin believes Cotto will not face him.
"Of course I want to fight him, he's a legend, a big name for me," Golovkin said of Cotto. "Canelo's the guy who will fight me."
Roach reportedly hinted that Cotto does not need to face Golovkin despite the possibility of getting a big paycheck again because the Puerto Rican owns 16 gasoline stations in his country.
The Hall of Fame trainer said Cotto will be financially stable even if he retires and hinted that the reigning World Boxing Council middleweight champion will not take a risk in fighting a dominating opponent like Golovkin.
Before finalizing his title defense on May 16, Golovkin and his camp reportedly tried to reach out to Cotto about his interest in a title unification bout in May, but they did not get any response, which made them decide to face Monroe.
Alvarez, who holds an impressive 44-1-1 record with 31 knockouts, is familiar with Golovkin, having sparred with the unbeaten middleweight champion. When asked about Golovkin, Alvarez had nothing but praises for the knockout artist from Karaganda, Kazakhstan.
"Gennady Golovkin is a strong fighter," Alvarez told Tha Boxing Voice. "At the time, I was 20 years old. I was in Big Bear two times and those two we sparred. He was a heavier fighter therefore I was able to throw hard shots at him. Golovkin was also able to throw hard punches to me as well. It was good sparring. He's a strong fighter."
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/43791/20150320/boxing-news-2015-canelo-alvarez-facing-gennady-golovkin-later-this-year.htm
i dont think people fully understand the size difference in ggg and cotto
I don't think people fully understand the fact that Cotto holds the WBC, RING lineal middleweight title and is honor bound to defend those titles against the best challenger in the division who is also his mandatory challenger, Gennady Golovkin. If Cotto believes he is too small, he should vacate the title and go on his way.
When fighters don't fight the fight you children want right away they are labeled cowards. Boxing idiots: Floyd is a coward and would never fight Canelo, Floyd is a coward and is scared of Manny, Cotto is scared and would never fight Sergio, Danny Garcia is scared of Lucas and will never fight him. Blah blah blah. You kids needs to have patience with fights that you want, this is a business first. Cotto is one of the true fighters who hasn't ducked anyone, so to say he's scared and ducking anybody, is truly pathetic.
Absolutely. The level of petty BS from "fans" is unfortunate.
Cotto has fought the guys nobody else wanted to fight and did not wait 6 years to do it.
Cotto fought Mosley, Manny, Floyd, Sergio and Margarito, before anyone else would. Win or lose he still did it...
You then have the nerve to say he doesn't have balls when he's fought a MW, while Canelo says he won't move up to 160 and has had 3 fights at 155 (MW) against nothing but JMW's. Somehow he gets credit for having balls because he doesn't want to fight any MW's even though Cotto's fought at least one already? Interesting logic.
canelo has had 3 fights at 155?
stop lying ...
danny has had 19 fights over 140 and i dont see you *****ing about it...
you care so much about canelo but you dont give a fuç about danny?
When fighters don't fight the fight you children want right away they are labeled cowards. Boxing idiots: Floyd is a coward and would never fight Canelo, Floyd is a coward and is scared of Manny, Cotto is scared and would never fight Sergio, Danny Garcia is scared of Lucas and will never fight him. Blah blah blah. You kids needs to have patience with fights that you want, this is a business first. Cotto is one of the true fighters who hasn't ducked anyone, so to say he's scared and ducking anybody, is truly pathetic.