What has Stevenson gained thus far by signing with Haymon?

It's possible Adonis might have "gained" maybe a few more years to milk in this brutal sport, for all we know he could have gotten savagely KTFO and retired had he fought Kovalev earlier.. also this fight could potentially make even more money now.

Haymon turns any fighter in to gold once he represents them, no doubt about that.

I don't know how much you think the fight is worth now compared to then. It's not Mayweather-Pacquaio. How long do you accept "building a fight"? When they fought on the same card a couple of years ago - that was designed to build the fight. It could always in theory become bigger. So why not have both of them KO some bums until 2016 or 2017 when it will really be at it's apex! Plus, like I keep saying, Kovalev and Duva are going to be coming from a much stronger position now that they've actually put work in. In the first round of negotiations, they were willing to take the short end of the money. Now....not so much. As for Stevenson, his stock has dropped after that sh1tty display against Fonfara and the fact that no one is watching him fight. Right now Kov is riding high, all we need is a good showing from Stevenson in his next fight. You know if they fight you will be watching with anticipation. Two proven big punchers in the heights of their careers.

You're off by $350,000 No, you're off by IRS, promoter's cut, manager's cut and corner's cut. So yeah $150k seems accurate.

I'm not a Stevenson fan, so I don't follow his career all that much. I have seen 3 of his fights. Dawson, Cloud, Bellew. He looked good in all 3 but I can't really get up to watch Stevenson vs Fonfora or Sukhotsky. I would watch the Bika fight because Bika is a tough guy that always goes 12 and will push any fighter of any level.

IF being the key word here. Stevenson after losing to Kovalev would not be a champion and most likely may have not attained the same amount of money he has by fighting Fonfara and Bika, because $ is exactly what seems to be his primary concern. Stevenson is a Draw and Quebecers get behind their guy. He knows it, so might as well milk the cow. Also as you mentioned Kovalev fight is now bigger, so if he were to lose, might as well do it after earning some serious money before hand AS well as getting a bigger purse for the inevitable spanking from Kovalev. you just affirmed his ducking, and that he can't beat kovalev lol.

No it's not the benchmark. It's simply an answer to the TS question. Kov got that After earning about 150k for the BHop fight. The Kov payday wasn't going to be any bigger than what he got for the showtime fights he's had. I believe Chavez is now on Haymon's roster. He is fighting fonfara who Stevenson defeated. I would think he'd make a fight with Stevenson before he would either of them. Besides, Froch is acting now. Why would I be crossing my fingers? You've already stated he gets huge paydays for easy wins. He already got more than he would've for Kov fight twice. SO its been great for his income, bad in every other way. You're off by $350,000

Hershman insists that HBO didn't cast Haymon out, and that he will make a deal with anyone- if it's the right deal. Good news for boxing, if that's true. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2393981-is-hbo-vs-al-haymon-boxings-next-big-fight GBP was pretty much all Haymon at that point and Schaeffer was essentially Haymon's right hand. You can't cut off someones right hand and be like ok we will still work with the rest of you. That was some time ago now though and things are different. Both sides as much as they would hate to admit it need the other if they want to achieve mutual goals. If they can start dealing that is a positive sign for all parties, going forward.

He would've lost his title much sooner had he fought anyone decent he has managed a few paydays against rubbish fighters before he is undoubtedly knocked out by anyone good.

in hindsight, the kovalev-stevenson fight now is bigger. but that's just it. stevenson could've earned more than he did his past couple of fights. if he beat kovalev then, then fighting hopkins and pascal after could've been way way bigger than his blahblah fights. and he wouldn't have been called a duck :lol1: if he beat kovalev down the road now, the hopkins and pascal fight wont probably make sense anymore. IF being the key word here. Stevenson after losing to Kovalev would not be a champion and most likely may have not attained the same amount of money he has by fighting Fonfara and Bika, because $ is exactly what seems to be his primary concern. Stevenson is a Draw and Quebecers get behind their guy. He knows it, so might as well milk the cow. Also as you mentioned Kovalev fight is now bigger, so if he were to lose, might as well do it after earning some serious money before hand AS well as getting a bigger purse for the inevitable spanking from Kovalev.

HBO was the one that cast Haymon out. That is an easy enough problem to fix, like I said earlier I am big believer in money talks bull**** walks. If HBO wants to make it happen they can afford to make it happen, and since Haymon wants to take over the sport that is an impossibility with HBO still around not being open to his guys. The quickest path for Haymon to ruling the sport is getting back in at HBO to a degree, his best card for that (beyond the megafight) is Stevenson. Well the viewership will drop since it won't be prime time it will be an afternoon show, still eyeballs are eyeballs and most people viewing won't know a damn thing about either man. Really it doesn't matter when they fight both guys are what they are , the result will probably be the same 1 year ago or 1 year from now. So it doesn't bother me at all waiting. He messed around for a year plus, how much the plan was the right or wrong move comes down to how the end of the story goes. Hershman insists that HBO didn't cast Haymon out, and that he will make a deal with anyone- if it's the right deal. Good news for boxing, if that's true. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2393981-is-hbo-vs-al-haymon-boxings-next-big-fight

in hindsight, the kovalev-stevenson fight now is bigger. but that's just it. stevenson could've earned more than he did his past couple of fights. if he beat kovalev then, then fighting hopkins and pascal after could've been way way bigger than his blahblah fights. and he wouldn't have been called a duck :lol1: if he beat kovalev down the road now, the hopkins and pascal fight wont probably make sense anymore.

Stevenson's promoter has just contacted the WBC asking them to set up a purse bid as soon as possible for a Stevenson-Kovalev title fight. I just started a thread if anyone wants to comment. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670750

No I am not saying that at all. My point is easy to understand. short term-he made more in each of the crap fights than he was offered for Kov fight from HBO. middle term-He put himself in position to make more for the Bhop/Pascal fights with the exclusive deal, then didn't make those fights and has been dealing with all the fallout you mentioned. long term-if he gets more for a Kov fight than originally offered and gets a chavez jr fight, he'd make up and exceed the money he would have made had he not walked away from bhop and pascal fights. But he didn't.

But you did say that......"I agreed that in no other way has it been beneficial other than economically. How can anyone (other than a poster with a dirk agenda) disagree with that" If he's made less for his past 2 fights than he would have fighting 2/3 guys that he turned down, then how did he benefit financially? So once again, thus far, what has he gained by signing with Haymon because it hasn't been financially beneficial considering what he would have made for fighting the 3 guys that he turned down? Once again, he gained the exclusive showtime deal which paid him more for the fights he made than he would've got for the Kov fight. You act as if he makes the same money without the deal. I don't think he does. You are assuming he would have fought Bhop and Pascal. You don't know that for sure. Thus far he got much more money than he would have had he taken the same path, which I assume he would've. If he takes a different path, maybe he would've made more.

No I am not saying that at all. My point is easy to understand. short term-he made more in each of the crap fights than he was offered for Kov fight from HBO. middle term-He put himself in position to make more for the Bhop/Pascal fights with the exclusive deal, then didn't make those fights and has been dealing with all the fallout you mentioned. long term-if he gets more for a Kov fight than originally offered and gets a chavez jr fight, he'd make up and exceed the money he would have made had he not wlaked away from bhop and pascal fights. But you did say that......"I agreed that in no other way has it been beneficial other than economically. How can anyone (other than a poster with a dirk agenda) disagree with that" If he's made less for his past 2 fights than he would have fighting 2/3 guys that he turned down, then how did he benefit financially? So once again, thus far, what has he gained by signing with Haymon because it hasn't been financially beneficial considering what he would have made for fighting the 3 guys that he turned down?

He has made alot more money than kov that's for surem remember hbo wanted them to split like 1.5 Mill steveson hot that much vs fontara. Yes I think stevenson is ducking kov but he's making money and that's initially ehat this games about

How did it benefit him economically if he would have made more for Pascal and Hops than the 2 guys he did fight? Lets even throw Kov into the equation. Are you telling me that had Stevenson fought Pascal/Hopkins/Kovalev, he would have made less than he did for fighting Fonfara/Sukhotsky/Bika? If your answer is no then he did not benefit economically from the Haymon deal. No I am not saying that at all. My point is easy to understand. short term-he made more in each of the crap fights than he was offered for Kov fight from HBO. middle term-He put himself in position to make more for the Bhop/Pascal fights with the exclusive deal, then didn't make those fights and has been dealing with all the fallout you mentioned. long term-if he gets more for a Kov fight than originally offered and gets a chavez jr fight, he'd make up and exceed the money he would have made had he not walked away from bhop and pascal fights.

It will be interesting to see if Stevenson ever faces Kovalev. Stevenson is with Haymon, who no longer does business with HBO, which Kovalev has an exclusive deal with. As another poster stated, the likely-hood of this fight being big enough for inter-network cooperation is slim. Nobody cares about Stevenson vs Bika. I wouldn't be surprised if viewership actually drops from the previous PBC shows, unless they have some big undercards. If Stevenson beats Bika, so what? he's supposed to. Now if Bika gives Stevenson a hard time, once again, Superduck will have shot himself in the foot. That could further reduce interest in seeing him fight Krusher. Stevenson has taken the wrong path in his career, IMO. He would have been better off fighting Kovalev while he was still early in developing his technique. But now that Kovalev has honed his skill more and gotten Hopkins and Pascal under his belt, he's more formidable than ever. HBO was the one that cast Haymon out. That is an easy enough problem to fix, like I said earlier I am big believer in money talks bull**** walks. If HBO wants to make it happen they can afford to make it happen, and since Haymon wants to take over the sport that is an impossibility with HBO still around not being open to his guys. The quickest path for Haymon to ruling the sport is getting back in at HBO to a degree, his best card for that (beyond the megafight) is Stevenson. Well the viewership will drop since it won't be prime time it will be an afternoon show, still eyeballs are eyeballs and most people viewing won't know a damn thing about either man. Really it doesn't matter when they fight both guys are what they are , the result will probably be the same 1 year ago or 1 year from now. So it doesn't bother me at all waiting. He messed around for a year plus, how much the plan was the right or wrong move comes down to how the end of the story goes.

you saying this doesn't change the truth. you have said its ok to take the more lucrative fight then the better fight. Haymon got Adonis 2 fights that were more lucrative than the offer for the Kov fight. Others can complain, you should sit down and be quiet as you have no problem with this in other instances, most recently the rigo/Frampton/quigg situation. He didn't get paid more for the Fonfara fight than he would have against Kovalev. Stop trying to swindle the public again, Dunn.