Is Middleweight Really a Bad Division or

GGG is the only legit fighter I've seen in the division so far, but even then I don't think he's that good. All this Lemiux talk is a joke, a guy that has already been KTFO by Rubio. You've got JT winning a belt, with Cotto, far past it, holding a title as well. I see a **** load of average fighters at best, that are contending for belts. What makes a fighter average in your opinion. Geale is former unified champion who honestly should have gotten the decision over Barker. Geale has good boxing skills, heart, and toughness. Murray is also pretty good, tight defense, quick hands, and again a **** load of toughness. Lemiux lost to Rubio a while back, are fighters not allowed to improve. And lets not act lie Taylor won that title due to the lack of a good champion, Soliman injured his knee but up to that point was on his way to a decision win.

GGG is the only legit fighter I've seen in the division so far, but even then I don't think he's that good. All this Lemiux talk is a joke, a guy that has already been KTFO by Rubio. You've got JT winning a belt, with Cotto, far past it, holding a title as well. I see a **** load of average fighters at best, that are contending for belts.

ok............. Ok because it's true. GGG does have a habbit of fighting to the pace of his opponent though. He's extremely guilty of that sometimes. ..and still beats them to a pulp, instead of getting flash knocked down or extending fights the full distance. He knocks out people who he outclasses on paper.

I know he fell off. I'm just saying it's only fairly recent. Yeah I would disagree. Cotto vs Canelo is a huge fight at 160 (that can still happen this year). Cotto vs anyone at 160 is a big fight. Canelo is going to be a MW soon, same with Andrade (not sure why he didn't fight Korobov, I guess he thought he was going to get that Jay Z money). There are some other up & comers as well, and like I said guys like Quillin and Lemieux will be able to pull in pretty decent ratings against the right guys. I'd love to see Lemieux vs just about anyone at 160, same with Quillin (he deserves the criticism he gets but NSB underrates him way too much as a result, he's a solid fighter with legit power). Cotto and Canelo is very big, but then Golovkin has to get them in the ring not to mention their wrangling and BS perhaps a rematch clause. Color me skeptical that the winner of that fight is just ok fighting Golovkin off the rip. Lemiux was the fight I was kind of looking for, so hopefully some wheels can be greased. The division was pretty much in the same condition when Martinez was around, it is not like he lingered around long while Golovkin rose. Normally a respected guy like Martinez would get another shot but that was yet another bad break for Golovkin.

And if Lemiux is frozen for any period of time that is even worse because he is the one guy people talk a bit about and I think that fight could be more than just another fight for Golovkin.

That's just recent. There was plenty of attention at middleweight when Sergio Martinez was fighting, especially the Chavez and Cotto fights. Martinez just lost last year, Cotto is champ but doesn't appear to want to fight any middleweights which complicates things. There are huge fights to be made at middleweight. Obviously Cotto vs Canelo would be huge. GGG vs either of those guys would be big, and even Peter Quillin can be involved in some pretty good fights (vs Jacobs, his fight with Lee should be good, eventually if he were fight GGG obviously would be big too). It really isn't as bad as people are making it out to be the problem right now is politics and the best guys and champions not fighting each other. Martinez was good, but he fell hard and fast not Golovkin's fault that Martinez fell off the most of any fighter and that he dropped the belt in a fight that had no business taking place really. I still stand by that statement because if you take Golovkin out of the mix not a single person I cant think of is excited about any of those names at 160. If Andrade moved up I would be mildly excited for that fight but I think I would be the only one.

It's an average weight class. Outside of 140-154 there aren't a whole lot of stacked divisions. 135 is probably the worst. 130 isn't very good. Middleweight isn't bad with Golovkin, Quillin, Cotto, Canelo (soon), Murray, Jacobs, etc. Golovkin just needs to be patient. Bernard Hopkins wasn't in exactly a great weight class and the other title holders wouldn't fight him (Don King fighters) but he stayed patient and eventually got big fights in Trinidad and Oscar, unified and became lineal champ. Canelo can be Golovkins Trinidad fight and the unification bought can come eventually as well. He's not a super middleweight and there isn't a whole lot of incentive to move up in weight other than Chavez. We already know he can't fight Ward anytime soon. Can't fight Froch. Kessler retired. That leaves guys like Anthony Dirrell, DeGale, etc. Not very enticing. If you take out Golovkin's name no one talks about 160 at all.

I think it's a little bit of both. The MW division isn't all that much, and with GGG being so good, he make them looks even worse

I'd rank it in the lower half of the 17 odd divisions. That said, I don't think GGG, Quillin, Cotto, N'Dam N'Jikam, Lemieux, Lee, Korobov, Murray and Jacobs are the worst collection of MWs I've ever seen.

It is the second weakeat division literally. Like they have the weakest punching fighters there.

"doing what he's supposed to do" - which is more than can be said of someone like Lara, for example. There is something to be said of fighters who don't fight down to the level of competition, and instead shows their superiority night in and out. GGG does have a habbit of fighting to the pace of his opponent though. He's extremely guilty of that sometimes.

A way past-prime Miguel Cotto is the lineal Middleweight champion. A brain damaged psychotic Jermain Taylor holds a title. The division is pretty terrible. Well, when you put it that way... :lol1: !

The middle weight division is trash as fuk. There are no elites in that class. GGG needs to move up or move down and get the hell out of there to face some real fighters. Making a living at middle weight isn't proven anything except how trash the division really is.

quillin and jacobs are two of the main reasons the division is poor when you look beyond golovkin. i like jacobs, but golovkin would knock him into next week. jacobs was a better fighter pre-cander and golovkin lite knocked him out.

A way past-prime Miguel Cotto is the lineal Middleweight champion. A brain damaged psychotic Jermain Taylor holds a title. The division is pretty terrible.

martin murray would beat peter quillin up.

The guy who slashed Atlas' cheek should have aimed for the throat.

"doing what he's supposed to do" - which is more than can be said of someone like lara, for example. There is something to be said of fighters who don't fight down to the level of competition, and instead shows their superiority night in and out. ok.............

Both. It's a bad division and he is a mile ahead of all of them. You can support GGG and accept that his division sucks. You don't have to create something that isn't there. He's doing what he's supposed to do. "doing what he's supposed to do" - which is more than can be said of someone like Lara, for example. There is something to be said of fighters who don't fight down to the level of competition, and instead shows their superiority night in and out.

Both. It's a bad division and he is a mile ahead of all of them. You can support GGG and accept that his division sucks. You don't have to create something that isn't there. He's doing what he's supposed to do.