I mean he cleaned out his division right, there's no one left at 168 for him so why not move up and make history.
Kovalev and Stevenson are lucrative, big money fights. You guys want to see those fights, right?
Hell move down to 160 to fight Floyd doe. Why should he move up doe.He should move down instead.
He too skilled doe. Skilled fighters always move down divisions instead of up doe. Just look at Mundine.
Of course, silly question. Who wouldn't? He's cleaned out 168 and all the tests lie at the higher division. I believe if Ward will fight GGG, he should stick around at 168 for a bit. But if not, the big fights are at 175 and beyond for him.
The greatest ever before or after ducking bute? And don't give me that bs about bute lost to froch and froch lost to ward.
Do you really believe that Bute would beat Ward? Really? Or are you just trolling?
Because Lucian didn't just lose to Froch. He was undressed. Exposed. It was as bad (or nearly so) as Lacey's exposure by Calzaghe.
Yes, styles make fights, but levels trump styles.
Ward will never fight Kovalev. Too big, too strong, too skilled. He wants $2 million dollar tune ups as he waits for Floyd/Cotto/GGG.
Hell move down to 160 to fight Floyd doe. Why should he move up doe.He should move down instead.
He was a light heavy in 3 round boxing fights. He already looks pretty small at 168, why should he move up? Ward has the opportunity to become the greatest 168 lbs fighter ever and he should pursue it.
The greatest ever before or after ducking bute? And don't give me that bs about bute lost to froch and froch lost to ward.
Ward took a tune-up/stay busy fight I believe right before Kessler. He fought at 171lbs and man, he looked fantastic. Obviously his opponent wasn't impressive but Ward was packing some serious firepower in his fists. If he can make 168 comfortably, fine. But I for one am eager to see him move up to 175.
I've seen here that people always know where Golovkin's or Kovalev's head is...
Sure: because the "Russian school" isn't based on unnecessary head and or feet movement... People just don't understand -- and what they don't understand "doesn't exist"... :)
Ward's next scheduled fight also "doesn't exist". ;)
So much hypocrisy in this thread, the fans of GGG are really doing him a disservice, although they seem to be scared of Ward I'm sure GGG is more than up for the challenge.
That being said, the bold is true and it also applies to a Ward vs Kovalev fight so people should quiet down and relax for a bit. Ward deserves at least one tune up to see where his skills are at, contrary to popular fan belief, not every fighter returns from a long layoff firing on all cylinders..........
Actually that's probably not true. Kovalev accepted $500k for the Hopkins fight. I'm willing to bet he'd be thrilled with La Bomba's paycheck, with Ward taking his usual $2-2.5mill.
I've seen here that people always know where Golovkin's or Kovalev's head is...
Sure: because the "Russian school" isn't based on unnecessary head and or feet movement... People just don't understand -- and what they don't understand "doesn't exist"... :)
wasn't that a tune up? guy moving up 2 weight divisions with perfect style for floyd seems like a tune up. if ward fought carlos molina that would be the equivalent.
OK... JMM was smaller, tut at least JMM had two belts at lightweight and they fought at the CW of 144lb...
... I guess that Chris Algieri would have been a better choice instead of Molina... :)
So much hypocrisy in this thread, the fans of GGG are really doing him a disservice, although they seem to be scared of Ward I'm sure GGG is more than up for the challenge.
That being said, the bold is true and it also applies to a Ward vs Kovalev fight so people should quiet down and relax for a bit. Ward deserves at least one tune up to see where his skills are at, contrary to popular fan belief, not every fighter returns from a long layoff firing on all cylinders..........
thats just silly. Even though I think GGG-Ward would be a 50-50 fight, a loss here or there never affected my admiration for a fighter. Personally I'd love to see the fight, and if GGG lost I'd still be every bit the fan I am right now, so I dont get where some people think "fear" comes into the equation........
Im not sure why this is so difficult to understand for Ward fans, but I'll try and explain it S-L-O-W-L-Y so you can grasp it:
GGG said he will fight ANYONE from 154-168. That being said, a fighter can say whatever they want, if the revenue isnt there the fight isnt happening. The fact is that his promoter (and any other knowledgeable boxing people) knows full well the revenue does not yet exist to make a GGG-Ward fight, so discussing it makes no sense. GGG has not yet developed a large enough fan base, and even after Ward dominated the Super Six, he still cant sell out the first 4 rows of a school bus. So bottom line is there is NOT ENOUGH MONEY to make the fight. Period. Anyone who has followed boxing longer than a week should know this. If there was enough money, Im sure Ward/Goosen (at that time), or Ward/RocNation (now) would have sent an offer over to K2, just like Top Rank did for the Chavez fight.
jeez.............
Edit: And I must be right because so far at least 2 Ward fangirls have felt the need to red k me, like it matters lol
So much hypocrisy in this thread, the fans of GGG are really doing him a disservice, although they seem to be scared of Ward I'm sure GGG is more than up for the challenge.
That being said, the bold is true and it also applies to a Ward vs Kovalev fight so people should quiet down and relax for a bit. Ward deserves at least one tune up to see where his skills are at, contrary to popular fan belief, not every fighter returns from a long layoff firing on all cylinders..........
Im not sure why this is so difficult to understand for Ward fans, but I'll try and explain it S-L-O-W-L-Y so you can grasp it:
GGG said he will fight ANYONE from 154-168. That being said, a fighter can say whatever they want, if the revenue isnt there the fight isnt happening. The fact is that his promoter (and any other knowledgeable boxing people) knows full well the revenue does not yet exist to make a GGG-Ward fight, so discussing it makes no sense. GGG has not yet developed a large enough fan base, and even after Ward dominated the Super Six, he still cant sell out the first 4 rows of a school bus. So bottom line is there is NOT ENOUGH MONEY to make the fight. Period. Anyone who has followed boxing longer than a week should know this. If there was enough money, Im sure Ward/Goosen (at that time), or Ward/RocNation (now) would have sent an offer over to K2, just like Top Rank did for the Chavez fight.
jeez.............
Edit: And I must be right because so far at least 2 Ward fangirls have felt the need to red k me, like it matters lol
Ward vs GGG is my second most wanted fight. It goes
1.May-Pac
2.Ward-GGG
3.Canelo-GGG
I want all 3 of these fights to happen so no I don't think he should move up until he has at least 1 tune-up and the GGG fight.
I mean he cleaned out his division right, there's no one left at 168 for him so why not move up and make history.
Kovalev and Stevenson are lucrative, big money fights. You guys want to see those fights, right?
There's still Chavez Jr, there's still DeGale, and their's still Groves and the Dirrell brothers, in addition to Team Golovkin still bringing up Ward's name (politics of boxing make some of those matchups far less likely to make, but there are still meaningful fights for him).
To that, you add that Kovalev and Stevenson are basically on a collision course .
Will basically come down to Ward's body reacts to being in a fight camp again; if he walks into the ring, unofficially, at 176 (while fighters like Kovalev walk in near 190 for their fights) he's not physically ready to make the jump up.
If he walks into the ring weighing, unofficially, 180, he likely closes out the year at light heavyweight.
Completely missing the point, you asked a question I gave you a answer now you trying to spin things into another direction. Nobody said anything about comparing Rodriguez to GGG besides YOU! And Rodriguez wasn't picked as a Tuneup, HBO is who decided to overpay Rodriguez to make that fight happen and Ward made it look like just a tuneup
Just gave a great example of a similar situation that Ward is in right now with HBO not approving certain opponents.
Would he "LIKE" A Tuneup? Sure but like any fighter if a good payday is presented I'm sure he would TAKE HIS CHANCES!
Well his trainer said he'd like multiple tuneups before facing top comp, and here you are guaranteeing he takes presumably the toughest fight at 168 right away, and bringing Edwin Rodriguez as evidence.
Edwin Rodriguez was the tuneup lol. You're not comparing GGG to this guy? I thought GGG is the biggest fight for Ward at 168 and main reason to stick around?
Completely missing the point, you asked a question I gave you a answer now you trying to spin things into another direction. Nobody said anything about comparing Rodriguez to GGG besides YOU! And Rodriguez wasn't picked as a Tuneup, HBO is who decided to overpay Rodriguez to make that fight happen and Ward made it look like just a tuneup
Just gave a great example of a similar situation that Ward is in right now with HBO not approving certain opponents.
Would he "LIKE" A Tuneup? Sure but like any fighter if a good payday is presented I'm sure he would TAKE HIS CHANCES!