James Degale vs George Groves II: IBF 168 lbs Championship

Groves has the physical tools and ability to get even better. He hasn't looked the same since the first Froch fight. Even in the rematch, he didn't seem the same fighter. I wish he trained with a high level proven trainer who could improve him mentally, improve his conditioning a bit because he fades a lot in the middle of the fight. I can understand if he fades in the 2-3 rounds but his output is lowered significantly by around round 5-6. I don't think he'll ever beat Ward and Dirrell but he can legitimately beat DeGale, if he makes the changes. Their first fight was super close, I gave it 7-5 Groves but I wouldn't have said 7-5 DeGale or a draw was a robbery. DeGale has been looking better and better, fighting better competition in his last few fights and looking convincing whilst doing so. He is slick, has good defensive ability but he needs to work on increasing his output and not relying to fight off the ropes or on the back foot as much. When DeGale throws combos, it is really nice to see because he has respectable power and more importantly his accuracy is what kills. On top of that he throws punches from different angles, something which I don't see enough of from Groves who is pretty stiff at times.

Everyone jumping on the DeGale bandwagon now :lol1: Sickening isn't it? Tempted to go look back at threads around the time of Dyah Davis etc etc. DeGale took so much stick and now they all want to suck his cawk :lol1:

Everyone jumping on the DeGale bandwagon now :lol1: It's weird isn't it? It's almost as if a fighters popularity grows as the fighter gets better

Chunky takes out the ugly ginger kid no doubt.

Everyone jumping on the DeGale bandwagon now :lol1:

I went with DeGale by decision but I'm surprised there's no support for Groves at all. His stock hasn't so much fallen as crashed. I was expecting at least one vote for George. His fall from grace is quite something. One minute he's seen by some as better than Froch and is going to conquer the world, then one brutal ko later he's a no hoper. I feel he only has himself to blame really. The way he conducted himself in the Froch rematch was pretty cringey.

I would say DeGale by decision.

I went with DeGale by decision but I'm surprised there's no support for Groves at all. His stock hasn't so much fallen as crashed.

The fight will be a stinker along the lines of Bellew vs Cleverly, despite their bad blood,with Chunky getting a UD.

Groves has regressed under Fitzpatrick and is a KO loss away from a ruined career. DeGale on the other hand has hugely improved and looks a real future force in the division.

It won't be DeGale v Groves for the vacant belt. It will be DeGale v Andre Dirrell.

It has indeed. It's not just his chin though, everything has gone to sh*t. His punches are wider and very loose, he's lost a lot of his snap, his balance/positioning seems off, he is getting hit much more often against lesser opposition...he just looks a mess. "Everything for a reason."

George has looked awful since the first fight against Froch, while DeGale has looked pretty good. As much as I hate to say it, DeGale wins this time around.

Groves' chin to me has been always iffy. It has indeed. It's not just his chin though, everything has gone to sh*t. His punches are wider and very loose, he's lost a lot of his snap, his balance/positioning seems off, he is getting hit much more often against lesser opposition...he just looks a mess.

Groves has looked horrendous since the Froch fight. He needs to take a year off or something he's looked dreadful. You don't think he'll knock out Andre Ward any more?

Groves has looked horrendous since the Froch fight. He needs to take a year off or something he's looked dreadful.

DeGale will beat him comfortably this time. He has been improving big time in rcent fights while Groves has looked like sh*t since Froch levelled him. Things change fast, pre-Froch I'd have picked Groves. Groves' chin to me has been always iffy.

DeGale will beat him comfortably this time. He has been improving big time in rcent fights while Groves has looked like sh*t since Froch levelled him. Things change fast, pre-Froch I'd have picked Groves. This is how I feel, too. If I knew the Groves from the first Froch fight would show up, I would pick him to beat DeGale. But Groves hasn't been the same since that brutal KO loss.

Picked Groves the first time around and felt it could of gone either way. In a rematch I like DeGale in a big way. I see genuine growth and maturity in DeGale, Groves to me looks like a shot fighter. I don't know if its his new trainer, The Froch fights or a combination of the two, maybe he was burned out but he has looked horrible as of late. I wouldn't feel safe betting on him to beat any half decent, durable fighter who could punch. Not sure I want to see a rematch though after all the talk and genuine hatred it was one of the most uneventful grudge matches I've seen.

DeGale will beat him comfortably this time. He has been improving big time in rcent fights while Groves has looked like sh*t since Froch levelled him. Things change fast, pre-Froch I'd have picked Groves.