Was Bradley robbed yesterday?

So Arum is going to commit a felony so that those B side fighters stay busy on low level cards? Chaves has no special value to Top Rank. He is interchangeable. I'm pretty sure Arum has bigger concerns. 1. I don't think Arum had bigger concerns. Bradley is his #2 guy and he simply doesn't have enough talent in his stable to keep him busy/paid. 2. If I had to guess I'd say Arum has committed a felony or two in his day. And being a former attorney probably knows how to get away with it. I mean, the Fed's (FBI) don't go kicking peoples doors down on a hunch... 3. I don't think Chaves is necessarily interchangeable, as I stated before he matches up well with all types of styles and is a tough guy to have in front of you. He's willing to bend some rules to try and win or at the very least make you look bad if you beat him. 4. I'm not saying I think arum fixed the fight but what I am saying is I'm 90% sure he isn't above it. Wether it not he did it in this instance I can't call for sure but I'm positive he's done it before and as long as he's alive there's a chance he will do it again. I

I thought Bradley won but when will Bradley use his boxing skills instead of going to war with everbody? He is a good boxer and makes fights closer by slugging.

I have to go back and watch this fight, the first time I watched it I had my head phones on listening to some music and I had like ten Stella's in me, but when I heard the scores I thought Bradley won.

I was rooting for Chaves but I thought Bradley won. I'd have to watch it again though... It was close / weird / hard to score.

I thought Bradley won, but people shouldn't cry corruption until ineptitude has been ruled out. I think there were more close rounds than people are acknowledging too. Probably worth watching it with the commentary off, especially given how biased the HBO team are in Bradley's favour. Roy loves Tim more than mathed and Monica Bradley put together. lol Yeah. And again I don't think it was a bad fight at all. There were some hard rounds to score and Chavez made it difficult for Bradley throughout. I just think he got the better of it and should've won it. Chaves has some skills and he could be tough for almost anybody. I'll give him that. I just don't think he lets his hands go enough when he needs to.

I thought Bradley won 115-113 in a super close fight as Bradley appeared to be in control but faded badly down the stretch and chavez was able to rack up some points.. A draw isn't out of the question... The Julie lederman scorecard was horrible... I still thought Bradley won

Because he's a tough fight for anyone and can pretty much "hang" or at least make it ugly with the best of them... He (Arum) can now run a mini round robin between Rios,Bradley and Chaves as they all have unfinished business. That should tie them guys up till at least 2016. In other words Bradley/Rios are NEVER fighting anyone that's not under the Top Rank umbrella. So Arum is going to commit a felony so that those B side fighters stay busy on low level cards? Chaves has no special value to Top Rank. He is interchangeable. I'm pretty sure Arum has bigger concerns.

Agree with ts....... And I had to watch the fight on mute so I could listen to the second half of Khan vs Alex.

According to one of Bradley's retarded fan there's no such thing as a bad or corrupt score card. . . , so if we apply that logic here, no Bradley was not robbed it was an even fight.

Think about this. If a promoter bribes a judge, there are two things that become a fact. The promoter has committed a felony crime, and he has spent a good deal of money. What value does Chaves bring that would make Arum or Top Rank do that? This is a guy who got KO'd on Showtime and didn't exactly cover himself in glory getting DQ'd against Rios. I just can't see why anyone would bother with this fringe contender. Because he's a tough fight for anyone and can pretty much "hang" or at least make it ugly with the best of them... He (Arum) can now run a mini round robin between Rios,Bradley and Chaves as they all have unfinished business. That should tie them guys up till at least 2016. In other words Bradley/Rios are NEVER fighting anyone that's not under the Top Rank umbrella.

It was a robbery of epic proportions.

A fighter's value is based largely on his record so if he can preserve Chaves' record while not badly diminishing Bradley's, he can make it come off as if Chaves was equally competitive with a higher caliber boxer. He probably has plans to pit Chaves in a rematch with Bradley or Rios. If Chaves had lost a UD, then he becomes a meaningless opponent but now, it looks like he gave Bradley all he could handle and went neck and neck with him. In reality, he was competitive but clearly lost to the better fighter. Think about this. If a promoter bribes a judge, there are two things that become a fact. The promoter has committed a felony crime, and he has spent a good deal of money. What value does Chaves bring that would make Arum or Top Rank do that? This is a guy who got KO'd on Showtime and didn't exactly cover himself in glory getting DQ'd against Rios. I just can't see why anyone would bother with this fringe contender.

What was Arum's motive to screw his second best welterweight out of a win over a fringe contender? It's not like the rematch is a hot attraction. or Chaves has a large fan base he wants to tap. A fighter's value is based largely on his record so if he can preserve Chaves' record while not badly diminishing Bradley's, he can make it come off as if Chaves was equally competitive with a higher caliber boxer. He probably has plans to pit Chaves in a rematch with Bradley or Rios. If Chaves had lost a UD, then he becomes a meaningless opponent but now, it looks like he gave Bradley all he could handle and went neck and neck with him. In reality, he was competitive but clearly lost to the better fighter.

I thought Bradley won, but people shouldn't cry corruption until ineptitude has been ruled out. I think there were more close rounds than people are acknowledging too. Probably worth watching it with the commentary off, especially given how biased the HBO team are in Bradley's favour. Roy loves Tim more than mathed and Monica Bradley put together. LOL, RJJ is good friends with him, I'm just a stalker. :headbang:

Bradley clearly won and the ONLY reason why it seemed closer than it was a..was because of the swollen eye. Rematch is not necessary...I hope Arum doesn't go this route.

He should've won and didn't. If you want to say it was at least competitive I don't disagree. But Bradley got the better of it. I thought Bradley won, but people shouldn't cry corruption until ineptitude has been ruled out. I think there were more close rounds than people are acknowledging too. Probably worth watching it with the commentary off, especially given how biased the HBO team are in Bradley's favour. Roy loves Tim more than mathed and Monica Bradley put together.

He should've won and didn't. If you want to say it was at least competitive I don't disagree. But Bradley got the better of it.

For some reason I felt like there could a controversial decision coming towards the end of this one. The rounds the HBO crew were unanimously awarding to Bradley in the first half of the fight weren't as clear cut as they were making out. I was giving them to Bradley too but I could see an argument for them going the other way. It seems like Julie Lederman just gave every close round to Chaves though. Even if you only had Tim winning 4 rounds clearly, you would normally expect him to pick up a least a couple of the other 8. To give him none of them is nuts.

I didn't even wait to hear the scorecards because I assumed Bradley won something like 116-112. Thought it was a clear win for Bradley, but Chaves did some good work too it's just that Bradley did more and landed the better shots in more of the rounds. I only found out it was a draw the next day on this forum. Not the worst robbery I've seen by a long way but still unfair on Bradley.

I thought he as robbed but not as bad as the real bad robberies. I thought he won by 8rounds to 4 or if you can score even rounds then I thought he won 7 round to 3 with 2 even rounds. Chavez gave him a good fight but Bradley clearly won and deserved better than a draw. Julie Letterman had a really bad night.