Who likes Ali?

Oh yeah, I guess, for balance purposes... Ali had some of the aforementioned "GOOD" qualities you also mentioned Ray.. Must have slipped my mind.

elroy sonny......the thread states "who likes him"? Not who likes him and who doesn't! You have a hate for Ali that isn't very healthy to have. If your hate has begun to overwhelm you it might be time for some serious thought about physiological help. Your on a boxing forum where the greatest heavyweight champion is brought up a lot and you make sure that your hate for this man is heard. Your over indulgence in "hating" someone you've never known is sad! You need some help son, I'm not sure if your just an ignorant racists or simply a jerk looking for attention. Either way your on the wrong thread....it's likes" not "hates"! Ray.

As a young man his decision making has a lot to be desired bt fighters who make millions early in their career usually act like fools. As an adult he had the courage to stand up for his rights as a black man in a white mans society and won over the vast majority of people who didn't like him years prior. As a retired ex-champ he has always helped children of all colors and cultures and had spent time and money in doing so prior to his illness. I met Ali in person a few times and worked for Ali Promotions for a short period and when you shake his hand he looks you in your eyes and he has a genuine and personal conversation with you. Everyone that's ever meet him that I know of says the same thing. Persona in a ring is not usually what appears out of the ring! As a boxer he was a top ten all time heavy that is rated number one or two by most experts! He was easily the greatest promoter in boxing and the best agility of any heavy before and since! Rock hard chin and when he accepted a challenge his will to win was outstanding. Of all the ATG's that I've meet Ali and Dempsey had a presence about them that separated them from all others. There's a few reasons why he's the Greatest Ever! Ray Corso

It is beyond comprehension how ANYBODY can really like Ali. He displayed enormous courage and perseverance against a much stronger, favoured opponent (Foreman), had a good record for the day and was a great champion of course. And some of his quips were quite funny at times and witty. But all in all the Foreman fight was as much George's fault for losing as can be credited to Ali for winning it. The strategy he used was absolutely moronic and was solely reliant on George being at that time possibly the technically dumbest boxer that ever existed, and then some luck as well! And his quotes were really nowhere near as funny as now days portrayed, often lacking in retrospect. The main problems with Ali were first, he was a man of very low intelligence, even retarded slightly by some sources, he was a psychopath with a superiority complex which may have been caused by an actual neurological defect in the man, probably a precursor of his eventual Parkinson's. Ethically, he was a full blown racist and abuser of women. He even named himself after a megalomaniac slaver, rapist and murderer! There can be made a case that Ali is among the most vile persons to have boxed really! As a boxer? He was TERRIBLE! He ran, he held, he was reluctant to punch, almost every single one of his 50 odd fights were absolute stinkers. He had very little technical skill, reliant on speed when young and strength and chin when older. The best quality of Ali was really his stamina, he always had good stamina, even when fat. What's more Ali's best opponent, Foreman, is more or less a humdrum opponent we would view today. Most of his other opponents either wouldn't be professionals at all, would box as CW's or would be nothing but tomato cans today. And the fact he struggled so badly with them is testament how far from the "greatest" this guy really was. I try to find more good qualities about the guy, really, but if we are to remain objective, this is how the guy really was... A decent boxer in a weak era with horrible flaws and a deranged psycho with obvious race and woman issues. FACTS!

He was a douche when the camera was on but he's also the same douche that visited the kids cancer wards schools helped make boxing as powerful as it was for the following 30 years after his departure and loved and recognized all over the world not to mention his part in the Muhammad Ali act that helps keep fighters from getting ****ed over constantly he's done nothing worse then what Tyson Floyd manny or de la Hoya have done in recent years and look at all the people who love them so yes I like ALI AND ALWAYS WILL HES THE GREATEST AND ALWAYS WILL BE and yes I hold him in a higher regard and as greater fighter then Tyson Louis Robinson Leonard mayweather and all the others he's the last great true peoples champion he made his mistakes he said he's sorry and pays for it everyday with his illness and if you ask me that's enough for him to be forgiven for any wrong doing that he's done they'll never be another Ali he's the Michael Jordan of boxing…

The thing is, like any celebrity all of Ali's bad acts are going to be put on display. he was a great guy too. Like I posted earlier: https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/muhammad-ali

Like any individual, Ali has done things that I find both repugnant and inspirational. Refusing his call when he was drafted was a very courageous move. Lighting the torch at the olympics in 1996 when he was publicly struggling with Parkinson's disease was incredibly inspirational. A lot of the messages he provided to the youth of his day were quite noble and worthy of praise. On the other hand - He cheated on wife, publicly belittled a lot of his opponents including inciting racial and religious unrest in his fights with Terrell and Frazier, he spoke at a KKK rally in favor of separation of the races, and he was a loyal friend and follower of a known racist and hatemonger like Elijah Muhammad. It's a tough call, really. Ali, like most people, was a very complicated man. But I do get sick of people pretending like he was some saintly figure now that he's old and afflicted when he was very clearly not. Sometimes he was downright ugly, ignorant, and hateful.

I'm sick of seeing true legends of the sport like Ali and Frazier denigrated on here. These Guys were true warriors who gave their lives and their health to the sport, and made it one of the most popular sports in the world at that time. It's a basic respect thing, Ali is an elderly, handicapped man now and Frazier has passed on. These men paid their dues to the sport and to the fans and deserve to be talked about with a degree of respect. That doesn't mean they are immune to criticism, but they should just be given that basic respect they more than deserve. very well said.... i still could not see what the TS wishes to accomplish with this thread...

How can you not like ALI?

I think what is more important is that we learn from what Ali has done in his life. To me Ali looked less likeable because of all he did which were contrary to the golden rule, but let's just say he did all of that in poor judgment. At those times his mind probably had not matured enough to know that he has hurt people by his actions. But later in his life he changed, and even asked forgiveness from the great Joe Frazier for treating him poorly instead of returning the favor that Joe did to get him out of jail. Bad decisions by Ali is not something to emulate by younger generations, it is definitely wrong to be not nice to people. But we become who we are by stroke of luck on the quality of guidance that we have from our older folks, and we can't really blame Ali entirely. And nature always has its ways of making us pay for our actions, whether we do good or bad. As a boxer Ali was one of the best in terms of skill level and fearlessness, and brought much entertainment and happiness to many people including myself and my old folks. He might be a guy with good heart that was rotten by hate and frustration. I think very few people are actually bad and I don't think Ali was bad either, but his behavior and personality was mean and terrible. I know this from experience. As a schoolboy I was very frustrated and angry, and it veiled the good sides of me. I don't think I'm mean or bad, but if someone is okay with my terrible behavior as a kid, I have problems with that because I deserved criticism. And I never went nearly as far as Ali in disrespect. This is what I'm talking about, not saying he was actually some terrible baby-eating, mass-murdering rapist etc.

I don't like him as a person.

So, let me get this straight ... You're complaining in 2014, about how abusive Ali was in the 60's and 70's and haven't taken even a short moment to evaluate what he's been doing the last FOURTY-FIFTY YEARS!?!?!?!? :sad: Dude, you should just stop here The Ali people are talking about is the boxer Ali, not the old Ali who might not even be behind all the humanitarian work as he is very ill old man. So yes, when people are praising Ali (the Ali that won the matches, not the new improved old gentleman) and think it's really funny and amazing when he is disrespecting his opponents and some talk show hosts, it bothers me. The fact that he might be (hopefully he indeed is and it's not just his PR team) great guy nowadays doesn't change his personality back then. All the good for him, I wish nothing bad for Ali. I'm just bothered when people are praising the young Ali's behavior and personality.

I think what is more important is that we learn from what Ali has done in his life. To me Ali looked less likeable because of all he did which were contrary to the golden rule, but let's just say he did all of that in poor judgment. At those times his mind probably had not matured enough to know that he has hurt people by his actions. But later in his life he changed, and even asked forgiveness from the great Joe Frazier for treating him poorly instead of returning the favor that Joe did to get him out of jail. Bad decisions by Ali is not something to emulate by younger generations, it is definitely wrong to be not nice to people. But we become who we are by stroke of luck on the quality of guidance that we have from our older folks, and we can't really blame Ali entirely. And nature always has its ways of making us pay for our actions, whether we do good or bad. As a boxer Ali was one of the best in terms of skill level and fearlessness, and brought much entertainment and happiness to many people including myself and my old folks.

What does any of this have to do with his behavior? Like I said multiple times, he has done good stuff. He still acted like a douche and was very mean. Words like the ones he said don't come out of a tree that is not rotten by hate and evil. Is he a changed man? -He might be. I don't know who he is nowadays, if he has changed I'm happy for him and I know people make mistakes, so I never hold anything against anyone. Doesn't change the fact that he acted like 13 year old douche. So, let me get this straight ... You're complaining in 2014, about how abusive Ali was in the 60's and 70's and haven't taken even a short moment to evaluate what he's been doing the last FOURTY-FIFTY YEARS!?!?!?!? :sad: Dude, you should just stop here

That's not hostile homie .... its just a question. Here's the bottom line, there have been many that shared negative opinions and thoughts about Ali over the course of his life. But you will not find a better humanitarian for the world or the sport of boxing than Muhammad Ali. Sure, he was verbally crude at times, and he was verbally abusive on more than several occasions, but in no way can his actions be misinterpreted as anything but humane. So, do you go by the words or the actions of an individual? That's why, at a certain point, one has to ask whether people who harbor negative opinions of Ali, really matter. Because he's done more to help others than all the negative thinkers combined and in actuality, its not even remotely close. So, while his detractors continue to entertain his negative past, Ali has moved on to embrace not only a positive lifestyle but also, a lifestyle that helps the less privileged in society. Think about it ............:chairshot What does any of this have to do with his behavior? Like I said multiple times, he has done good stuff. He still acted like a douche and was very mean. Words like the ones he said don't come out of a tree that is not rotten by hate and evil. Is he a changed man? -He might be. I don't know who he is nowadays, if he has changed I'm happy for him and I know people make mistakes, so I never hold anything against anyone. Doesn't change the fact that he acted like 13 year old douche.

the reason people like you are mentioned is because you lie and cheat. every and anyone who has met Ali personally, especially fans, say he was generous and kind and humble and always willing with his time. what ws bad about him? that he bad mouth frazier? was frazier an angel? did frazier apologise or was it ali who attempted to make peace? thing is the internet is filled with racist trolls and that's a fact. you wouldnt ever make these points in person cos most people would laugh you out the room. -Are you saying that I'm white supremacist? Or what do you mean by "people like me"? -I have lied and cheated in my life, yes, but how does it have anything to do with this? -What was bad about him? He was very mean, not only towards Frazier, he was part of racist movement (N.O.I) and I may have been racist myself towards white people in that situation where Ali was from, but it doesn't make it right. It just means that I would've been bad person myself also. -If there was a talk about Ali's personality and I was involved in the conversation, I wouldn't shy from saying what I said here. Online or real life, doesn't matter. And nobody would laugh at my comment unless they were blinded by their cult-like following of Ali. Nobody would be defending some Kurdish boxer who talked **** about people who share the ethnic background with the oppressors of Kurds (such as Turks, Arabs and Iranians) regardless of their actions, called different looking Kurds as kebab-makers and followed some cult that regarded Arabs, Turks and Iranians as people of the devil. Do you realize that world is full of people that face racism everyday (much more than Ali), that have grown in hard conditions (much harder than Ali) and have no education, yet we would never let them act like Ali and regard them as magnificent role models.

Yes, and the majority of people saying ''He was too much'' more than likely don't know what it is like being in a racially hostile environment; being arrogant and over the top are necessary shields.

Are you hurt because someone said something about Ali or are you just that mean? I just stated I cannot look up to Ali because of his behavior, no reason to get so hostile. Do you go around this forum saying "Do you think anyone cares? LOL" to every comment you don't find to be the most relevant thing in the world? That's not hostile homie .... its just a question. Here's the bottom line, there have been many that shared negative opinions and thoughts about Ali over the course of his life. But you will not find a better humanitarian for the world or the sport of boxing than Muhammad Ali. Sure, he was verbally crude at times, and he was verbally abusive on more than several occasions, but in no way can his actions be misinterpreted as anything but humane. So, do you go by the words or the actions of an individual? That's why, at a certain point, one has to ask whether people who harbor negative opinions of Ali, really matter. Because he's done more to help others than all the negative thinkers combined and in actuality, its not even remotely close. So, while his detractors continue to entertain his negative past, Ali has moved on to embrace not only a positive lifestyle but also, a lifestyle that helps the less privileged in society. Think about it ............:chairshot

QUOTE=soul_survivor;14758457]maybe you should watch his videos in context and realise they were merely fight promotions. none of what he said was mean spirited besides the Frazier taunts...then again, in the late 60s and early 70s, Frazier actually called Ali by his old name of Clay, when he full well knew what that meant to Ali, his religion and his life. I'm not making excuses for Ali calling frazier the names he did, especially in the build up to their 3rd fight but there was a reason for him going further than he had ever before. To his credit he apologised and it was Frazier who sadly stayed bitter his entire life and tried humiliating him when he was old, PD sufferer and defenseless. I hope they made up on his deathbed. If it was tongue-in-cheek then I probably wouldn't have minded him. But, if it was genuine arrogance then nah.

My dad can't stand him since he didn't go to Vietnam. I'm guessing most of the people who fought in the Vietnam War really don't like him though for what he did.