I give Al Haymon credit for getting his fighters top dollar for weak fights, but outside of that I am not impressed with his abilities as an advisor. He over protects his fighters and doesn't help them in taking that next step to that next level. He has has three extremely talented guys that he ruined imo in Broner, Russell Jr, Quillin, and soon to be Wilder imo because he keeps stacking them against D level fights over and over again. Then when he gets them in with a B+ or higher, their lack of dvelopment gets exposed. While this hasn't happened to Quillin, at the rate heis going, it is going to happen. He has been in decline the last few fights, probably largely due to getting bored of fighting bums maybe, but if he fights one of the elite at MW, I will have to pick the other guy. They should have had him fighting against some of the guys that Martinez had beat like Macklin, Barker, Dzinziruk, etc to get him ready for the best in that class. The same with Wilder who hasn't fought anyone.
I think Haymon is good for the already established/ developed top guys like Floyd. I hope the young prospects stay away from him until they have been properly established by beating top guys. If they do go to Al, I think it might be best for the fighter to actually sign to the promotional company and then have them bring the fighter along while Al just negotiates the fights or something. As much as I dislike Arum, he usually does a good job with bringing his fighters along(minus Gamboa who I thought he screwed over).
Well, No.
How many other motherfuckers do you know who fucked a tranny and still have their name mentioned 1st post fight by 70% of the top boxers in the world?
Exactly!
Andre Berto is a multi millionaire. Floyd Mayweather makes more for a fight against a bum than Mike Tyson in his prime against a top hwt.
If al haymon is over rated than I pray I become over rated too.
How do you know Berto still has millions?
Who wouldn't want to sign up with a guy who pays you $1 million per fight for fighting nobodies? If you're a fan why would you want this? You need to switch to tennis or golf and stop being a fan of the sport. Try WWF. You don't belong in this sport.
First time hearing a Manager/Adviser be considered "Overrated" or even Rated for that matter but...OK? How do you even rate him and who in the hell is he competition with? Cameron Dunkin I guess?:dunno:
Top Fighters are signing with him, Rigondeaux, Mikey Garcia and Chavez Jr might be next once they get away from Top Rank so what ever he is doing he must be doing it right. If he wasn't good at what he does you would have heard a fighter come out and complain about him by now.
We now know how this clown operates. He builds up fighters by making them fight nobodies at the expense of networks' naivete. He has a new victim in Espinoza. This shady individual will destroy boxing.
Andre Berto is a multi millionaire. Floyd Mayweather makes more for a fight against a bum than Mike Tyson in his prime against a top hwt.
If al haymon is over rated than I pray I become over rated too.
They do it to get a rise out of certain fans and it actually works :lol1:
I mean seriously, who cares that much about a manager or whatever the hell he is?
But to be fair, there are some posters who are so pathetically obsessed with their hatred for Floyd that they celebrate the failure of anything associated with him. If Floyd's mailman got hit by a bus some moron would make a thread cheering about it.
And there are posters who are so obsessed with love for Floyd that they wank over anything associated with Floyd.
Thanks for the laugh. That was a belly acher.
Wouldn't an "advisor's" job basically be the business equivalent of training, IE deciding when the fighter moves up to the next level?
That's a fair point you made. And to some degree you are right. But the way I see it is either a fighter has it or he doesn't. Haymon builds his fighters a certain way. He did it with Berto, Broner, Russell Jr, and now Thurman. Where your theory is flawed is when people rip certain fighters than praise others in the exact same situation. They hate Broner but love Thurman. Why isn't Thurman another Haymon hype job too? He came up the same way as Broner and Berto. Spoon fed bums up to this point. GGG has been spoon fed bums too. So when he gets his clock cleaned by Ward are you going to blame K2 promotions for not building him up properly?
They do it to get a rise out of certain fans and it actually works :lol1:
I mean seriously, who cares that much about a manager or whatever the hell he is?
But to be fair, there are some posters who are so pathetically obsessed with their hatred for Floyd that they celebrate the failure of anything associated with him. If Floyd's mailman got hit by a bus some moron would make a thread cheering about it.
And there are posters who are so obsessed with love for Floyd that they wank over anything associated with Floyd.
:rofl: :rofl:
Great post! This is exactly what I mean. He fails to prepare his fighters for that next level.
Isn't that what a trainers job is? Wtf is wrong with you people.
Rofl at saying haymon is responsible for ruining boxing. Damn you guys are dumb. There's even a thread on here celebrating whenever a haymon fighter loses. Bunch of sad fuks
I think you are missing the T/S's point. Of course that it's on the fighter to perform, but when his "adviser" is advising him to fight nothing but bums for the better part of his young career, and then abruptly matches him up with semi-decent/decent fighter, he chokes because he is so used to fighting soft touches per the advisement of Haymon.
Take Cotto for example, he was matched steadily with a variety of different styles and gradually upped his level of competition and competed on even terms with pretty solid competition as result (in conjunction with decent skills of course). Whoever was advising him was good adviser. Even the example you gave (Mares) was matched properly, he just got caught against a monstrous puncher.
Haymon is not a good adviser, he's just a good con-man.
Great post! This is exactly what I mean. He fails to prepare his fighters for that next level.
he is the reason why many people are losing interest in the sport of boxing. Why cant everybody see the truth?
But not the cold war and countless rematches?
Funny how the non-Haymon fighters at Golden Boy don't have this problem
Who are they? Haymon basically have everyone. I see everyone get soft touches in boxing, it depends on the boxer on what he wants to fight.
he is the reason why many people are losing interest in the sport of boxing. Why cant everybody see the truth?
very well said...
al haymon is not overrated..... he is overlooked by the authorities..
I think you are missing the T/S's point. Of course that it's on the fighter to perform, but when his "adviser" is advising him to fight nothing but bums for the better part of his young career, and then abruptly matches him up with semi-decent/decent fighter, he chokes because he is so used to fighting soft touches per the advisement of Haymon.
Take Cotto for example, he was matched steadily with a variety of different styles and gradually upped his level of competition and competed on even terms with pretty solid competition as result (in conjunction with decent skills of course). Whoever was advising him was good adviser. Even the example you gave (Mares) was matched properly, he just got caught against a monstrous puncher.
Haymon is not a good adviser, he's just a good con-man.
So what about Thurman? Is he going to fold too when he steps up in opposition? Broner lost to a better fighter. There's no harm in that. Quillin is being brought up slow. I agree with that. But he's also had to learn how to fight on the fly. He only had like 15 amateur fights. All I'm reading on this site is a bunch of wining *****es crying about every damn thing. So forgive me if I can't take you guys seriously. All I have to say is get used to Haymon being around because the fighters are running away from Arum and De La Hoya and running straight to him.