I'm not sure if Beristain would still advise Marquez against the Khan fight but it's possible he might feel Marquez is ready for Khan at this stage of his career, especially considering he may also not have many years left in big fights so why not go for the biggest possible fights. Marquez and Khan both looked terrific in their last fights and it'd be a great match up.
For those who are unaware about Marquez / Beristain avoiding the Khan fight back in 2010 here's the quote (so no trolls in the thread trying to rewrite history and pretend as if they didn't avoid Khan):
Beristain goes on to say that Marquez "asked me to go with him to Los Angeles to work on the deal for his next fight, that his people (Golden Boy Promotions) want to match him with (Amir) Khan, but I told him that's not a fight to be taken lightly, as he (Khan) is very strong, and it's not a good fight right now, because he (Marquez) has not fully recovered from the Mayweather fight, which was just brutal."
"(Marquez) should look for a different opponent, one in his own weight class, and he should not be exploited again. Khan is a junior welter and that's where they want to make the fight; I think Juan Manuel deserves to bow out like a true champion, and not by being anyone else's stepping stone."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342901-beristain-talks-rift-with-marquez-marquez-khan
If they don't avoid Khan this year, who wins?
I rate Khan to win a decision, but Marquez is a Boss with his counters and Khan may get timed bad. Then again the one that showed up against Collazo was very careful and I'll give Khan the benefit of the doubt he will further improve from his last performance. Luckily for Khan that Marquez isn't an exclusive inside fighter. So, I do believe Khan can win a decision.
If Khan decides to box, it's a UD victory for Khan.
Marquez is 40 years old. He can no longer keep up with boxers, which is why he had a hard time with Bradley.
At this age Marquez needs to fight guys who come straight at him, so that he can do what he do best, which is counter in combinations.
True, good assessment, Khan should beat him by UD although an ATG like Marquez probably isn't going to make it easy for him.
If Khan decides to box, it's a UD victory for Khan.
Marquez is 40 years old. He can no longer keep up with boxers, which is why he had a hard time with Bradley.
At this age Marquez needs to fight guys who come straight at him, so that he can do what he do best, which is counter in combinations.
Again,Khan can not and does not do anything that Bradley can..I agree tho Khan's best chance is to move..At the same time,he is not as defensively responsible and his attack is far predictable..Hell I thought Marquez started getting Bradley's timing towards the end of their fight,and Bradley has far more way's to attack then Khan does..
If Khan decides to box, it's a UD victory for Khan.
Marquez is 40 years old. He can no longer keep up with boxers, which is why he had a hard time with Bradley.
At this age Marquez needs to fight guys who come straight at him, so that he can do what he do best, which is counter in combinations.
khan outboxes the hell outta him
marquez better come in like he did in the fourth vs pacquiao, he needs the ko/strength, he's not beating khan otherwise
I know Garcia is physically stronger and more durable, but Marquez would have the same kind of success in timing Khan eventually and getting him out of there.
i think people overblow how bad kahn's chin is. I could see him turning into the wlad of the lower weights lol. Would like to see him against marquez I reckon most likely scenario is a clear decision for kahn.
if marquez has a particularly bad case of acne he could pull out a big ko shot but don't see him out pointing kahn.
Khan's chin is not his only flaw,a lot of people make this mistake..There is more then one way he can get beat..Although with what we know about Marquez accuracy and Khan's more then dentable chin,Marquez is more then capable of of making it a short night for Khan..
i think people overblow how bad kahn's chin is. I could see him turning into the wlad of the lower weights lol. Would like to see him against marquez I reckon most likely scenario is a clear decision for kahn.
if marquez has a particularly bad case of acne he could pull out a big ko shot but don't see him out pointing kahn.
they didnt avoid khan, they just chose to take a tune up after coming off such a demoralizing loss. getting dominated like that can damage any fighters confidence, thats why they fought diaz who he already knocked out once. you think khan would have fought marquez coming off the garcia KO?
to answer the question marquez would kill him. different class of fighters first of all, but marquez is just far too smart for khan. he would set him up and knock him silly. he is an expert at exposing flaws in a fighter, khans vulnerability to counters, predictability, lack if inside game, habit of taking breaks etc would all spell doom against marquez rather quickly. the only real question is which flaw he exposes to get the KO and whether khan gets laid out on his face or his back.
Wow great post,talking that truth bro..
I think Khan has a good shot to win,but I'd pick Marquez..Just to good at finding holes,and Khan is not good enough defensively not to get tagged and hurt..
I'm not sure if Beristain would still advise Marquez against the Khan fight but it's possible he might feel Marquez is ready for Khan at this stage of his career, especially considering he may also not have many years left in big fights so why not go for the biggest possible fights. Marquez and Khan both looked terrific in their last fights and it'd be a great match up.
For those who are unaware about Marquez / Beristain avoiding the Khan fight back in 2010 here's the quote (so no trolls in the thread trying to rewrite history and pretend as if they didn't avoid Khan):
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342901-beristain-talks-rift-with-marquez-marquez-khan
If they don't avoid Khan this year, who wins?
they didnt avoid khan, they just chose to take a tune up after coming off such a demoralizing loss. getting dominated like that can damage any fighters confidence, thats why they fought diaz who he already knocked out once. you think khan would have fought marquez coming off the garcia KO?
to answer the question marquez would kill him. different class of fighters first of all, but marquez is just far too smart for khan. he would set him up and knock him silly. he is an expert at exposing flaws in a fighter, khans vulnerability to counters, predictability, lack if inside game, habit of taking breaks etc would all spell doom against marquez rather quickly. the only real question is which flaw he exposes to get the KO and whether khan gets laid out on his face or his back.
Khan is faster, but he doesn't have the level of diversity in his attacks that Bradley used against Marquez. Juan would time him, just like Garcia did, and it's the muppet dance all over again.
It depends if Marquez could catch Khan. Marquez would probably be forced to take the lead against a guy like Khan. Khan would probably try to box Marquez at a distance. But eventually, the predictable 1-2 combinations from Khan would get timed. Khan is nowhere near as skilled as Bradley. Given Khan's style, I think Khan may get off to an early lead. But eventually, Marquez hits Khan with something big and that's it.
That's debatable. Bradley was another guy who avoided Khan a few years ago because he said himself that the fight was too risky. And it seems now that Khan is back to the same sort of form and strength as around that time period with weight-draining no longer an issue, reckless aggression a thing of the past, a much better defense and improving inside game. And Marquez arguably beat Bradley too, although he lost a razor-close SD on the official cards. So that's two guys who avoided Khan and when facing each other it was really a toss up as to who won.
Either Marquez ends up getting the KO at some point or Khan will make him look silly for 12 rounds. Bank on it. Marquez quality counter punching will not work here at all. He will be confused and won't handle the speed as well as people think
It depends if Marquez could catch Khan. Marquez would probably be forced to take the lead against a guy like Khan. Khan would probably try to box Marquez at a distance. But eventually, the predictable 1-2 combinations from Khan would get timed. Khan is nowhere near as skilled as Bradley. Given Khan's style, I think Khan may get off to an early lead. But eventually, Marquez hits Khan with something big and that's it.
You see the last part of the Collazo fight where Khan was covering up and back peddling, with Collazo relatively free to throw punches at his guard? Also see the Peterson fight.
Thats a horrible idea against a master technician with power. Marquez can do a number of things to create an opening. With Khan i imagine he would wait for him to be in mid-range, draw a punch with feints and head movement and then counter hard (see Garcia fight for Khans vulnerability to this). Marquez is one of the best ever at doing this. He even did it to ultra-defensive Mayweather a few times.
If this continued to the point where Khans offense was neutralized (and lets be honest, he doesnt make adjustments on the fly very well) itd be all over.
Chin doesnt matter, Marquez battered Manny when he did the same thing, but Manny is a better fighter than Khan.
Marquez would ruin Khans body when he does shell up, then knock him out late.
I think Khan would look good at times though. Early he would have success jabbing and circling out like he did against Paulie, but he would never look like he was in control of the fight.
Marquez TKO10
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