Danny "Swift" Garcia P4P Top 10?

Dude... No offense but this post reeks of ignorance. 1) What's with this obsession with titles? How exactly is the Matthysse win irrelevant? Matthysse destroyed Peterson in a fight that was non-title for some strange reason. 2) Peterson wasn't stripped of the WBA title "due to some backroom deal". It was because he tested positive for anabolic testostherone before the planned Khan rematch, and admitted to using it before the first Khan fight. 3) If you think the Judah that fought Garcia was shot, you don't know what a shot fighter is.I'll tell you what is with this obsession with titles because many boxing fans are claiming that Danny Garcia is the last fighter to clean out the 140 lb division which is erroneous. The fact is he hasn't cleaned it out because he never challenged the lineal unified champion at 140 which was Lamont Peterson. He only defeated Khan after his lost to Peterson as he was awarded that sham WBA title to try to make it appear legitimate. Now to answer your other question; If this was the same Matthysse who lost to a badly faded washed out Zab Judah and the same Matthysse who lost to an overrated Devon Alexander, then how so could Danny Garcia dominate Zab so easily in his performance against the same washed up fighter that Lucas had struggled so mightily against? Garcia not only beat Zab Judah but he beat him up. So then, if Matthysse was such this great beast that everyone seems to think he is then why wasn't he able to do the same? It's just amazing how still overrated Lucas is to this day among boxing fans. Now onto your other point, as far as Lamont Peterson is concerned; I agree that he had tested positive leading up to the rematch with Amir Khan through a voluntary non authorized third party which isn't even recognized in the sport of boxing. However, I still say that the WBA was wrong for stripping Peterson of his championship belt because they didn't follow the proper protocol. VADA is not sanctioned by any athletic state commission or world governing body to test fighters. It's done solely on a voluntary basis. Therefore, the WBA on the advice of a sanctioned athletic commission; Which VADA is not should have reviewed its test results following the Lamont Peterson victory over Amir Khan that came back negative before making its final determination on the issue. The sanctioning body who had jurisdiction over this issue stated that his results were clean. This is why Peterson's victory over Khan still stands today and partly why he was able to retain his current IBF title. Lastly, to your next point; I saw a badly beaten Zab Judah in there against Danny Garcia. He absorbed more punishment in that fight than he ever had against Lucas Matthysse. He took a tremendous pounding throughout much of the bout and wasn't even competitive up until the last 3 rounds of it. To me he looked old. He lacked stamina, timing, reflexes and power. He kept getting hit with the same punches over and over again. To me those were the signs of a shot fighter.

Mikey number 7? Sorry but no. The names in the bottom half of my list are interchangeable. No prob with him being 10th

Mayweather Ward Bradley Rigondeaux Wlad Marquez Pacquiao Danny Garcia GGG Lara

1)floyd 2)ward 3)Bradley 4)wlad 5)swift (undisputed unified champ.) 6)Marquez 7)PAC 8)sergio 9)froch 10) idk lara or someone.

I disagree about Mares being 10. Jhonny just might ice him again. By your logic Broner should be 10. So should Canelo. Not even. Canelo and Broner are hype jobs where as Mares has an excellent resume and has beaten Darchinyan, Agbeko, Morel and Ponce de leon. All solid wins. Where as Broner and Canelo are a product of "over" matchmaking.

Lmao @ Thurman, Crawford ,gamboa. Is that your p4p list or is it your fav fighters list. Because no offense, it's weak. lol no offence taken. Thurman, Crawford and Gamboa are just outside of my top 10 P4P atm, but in terms of ability/skillset, I think they belong in the top 10. They just need one big win each.

I said i dont have one but i just made on quick: 1 Floyd Mayweather (hes been here longer otherwise its Ward for me) 2 Andre "never gets hit" Ward 3 Timothy Bradley 4 Juan Manuel Marquez (that Pac KO really keeps'em relevant) 5 Manny Pac (too many gr8 wins to be bumped to 7 by Ring) 6 Guillermo Rigondeaux 7 Wladimir K 8 Carl Froch (just an amazng resume) 9 Danny Garcia 10 Abner Mares (losing one damn fite doesnt mean ur a hype job stfu ppl) I really wanted to put Mr Flyweight Omar Narvaez in there but Mares has beaten reknowned opponents where as those lower divisions are ignored alot and will not produce any big names sadly. I disagree about Mares being 10. Jhonny just might ice him again. By your logic Broner should be 10. So should Canelo.

Firstly, I think you should re-read my posts. I said my opinion is based on ability/skillset rather than achievements. Soon enough, I believe Thurman and Crawford will have achieved more than D.Garcia. And I like Matthysse, he's not a hype-job, what I'm saying is people were saying he's a hype-job before the fight and after the fight, the very same people were acting like Matthysse is Godzilla. Also the circumstances in which D.Garcia won that fight was somewhat fortunate. My bad bro. I see what you mean now.

In no particular order, I think Pac, Ward, Rigo, Martinez, Floyd, Lara, Kovalev, GGG, M.Garcia, Gamboa, Thurman, Crawford and quite a few others are better than Bradley and D.Garcia. Based on ability alone, as some of those guys haven't got any big wins on their resumes. I know it won't go down too well with a lot of people, but it's just what I think. Lmao @ Thurman, Crawford ,gamboa. Is that your p4p list or is it your fav fighters list. Because no offense, it's weak.

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Mikey number 7? Sorry but no. Hes not even top 10.

I said i dont have one but i just made on quick: 1 Floyd Mayweather (hes been here longer otherwise its Ward for me) 2 Andre "never gets hit" Ward 3 Timothy Bradley 4 Juan Manuel Marquez (that Pac KO really keeps'em relevant) 5 Manny Pac (too many gr8 wins to be bumped to 7 by Ring) 6 Guillermo Rigondeaux 7 Wladimir K 8 Carl Froch (just an amazng resume) 9 Danny Garcia 10 Abner Mares (losing one damn fite doesnt mean ur a hype job stfu ppl) I really wanted to put Mr Flyweight Omar Narvaez in there but Mares has beaten reknowned opponents where as those lower divisions are ignored alot and will not produce any big names sadly.

1.floyd 2.ward 3&4(interchangeable). rigo & bradley 5. klitchko After the first five, it's harder to argue (all are interchangeable) 6.pacquiao 7.mikey 8.adonis/kovalev 9.sergio/ggg 10.danny Mikey number 7? Sorry but no.

You have Keith Thurman and Crawford in ur p4p top 10. Guys who havent even won a full version of a major belt let alone beat a major opponent. Thurman no doubt if he keeps up will get there. Crawford not so sure as hes never even fought a 12 rounder yet. Garcia is lineal champ in one of the most and always competitive 140lbs and its been a while since anyone held that belt at 140 lbs. Judah, Khan and Matthysse are solid wins. Matthysse is not a hype job as its highly annoying how ppl rip someone after one loss. He fell in love with his power cuz he thought Garcia was shook, otherwise he did KO mr slick boxer Lamont Peterson so not a hype job is he? Firstly, I think you should re-read my posts. I said my opinion is based on ability/skillset rather than achievements. Soon enough, I believe Thurman and Crawford will have achieved more than D.Garcia. And I like Matthysse, he's not a hype-job, what I'm saying is people were saying he's a hype-job before the fight and after the fight, the very same people were acting like Matthysse is Godzilla. Also the circumstances in which D.Garcia won that fight was somewhat fortunate.

In no particular order, I think Pac, Ward, Rigo, Martinez, Floyd, Lara, Kovalev, GGG, M.Garcia, Gamboa, Thurman, Crawford and quite a few others are better than Bradley and D.Garcia. Based on ability alone, as some of those guys haven't got any big wins on their resumes. I know it won't go down too well with a lot of people, but it's just what I think. You have Keith Thurman and Crawford in ur p4p top 10. Guys who havent even won a full version of a major belt let alone beat a major opponent. Thurman no doubt if he keeps up will get there. Crawford not so sure as hes never even fought a 12 rounder yet. Garcia is lineal champ in one of the most and always competitive 140lbs and its been a while since anyone held that belt at 140 lbs. Judah, Khan and Matthysse are solid wins. Matthysse is not a hype job as its highly annoying how ppl rip someone after one loss. He fell in love with his power cuz he thought Garcia was shook, otherwise he did KO mr slick boxer Lamont Peterson so not a hype job is he?

I don't know. He's close but I don't know if he's quite there yet. Another nice win or two and I think he could safely be added. But I don't know if wins over a couple of shot dead fighters (Morales twice, Judah), Paulie, Khan, and Matthysse are enough to put you into the top ten of the world. I mean they're nice wins, don't get me wrong, but top ten worthy resume wins? No.

1.floyd 2.ward 3&4(interchangeable). rigo & bradley 5. klitchko After the first five, it's harder to argue (all are interchangeable) 6.pacquiao 7.mikey 8.adonis/kovalev 9.sergio/ggg 10.danny

Crawford IMO will be a top 5 guy by 2015,,,, the rickey burns fight will be his coming out party, and a star will be born, Crawford going to UK and gonna stop Burns,, mark it down GGG needs a serg or murray win to enter my p4p rankings Kovolev needs the stevenson fight All of those fights should be attainable in 2014 Yep, Crawford is outstanding. I'd pick him to beat anyone in and around his weight class easily. GGG is being ducked left, right and centre. I think at least one of the better MWs will man up and fight him this year though. Kovalev wants the Stevenson fight but Stevenson doesn't seem too keen on it. I think we'll see that one sometime this year or early next year.

I agree that Gamboa hasn't looked good in a while, but I think that's more down to what's been going on with him outside of the ring. He's a special talent. He needs to sort himself out ASAP though. And again, I agree about Crawford, Kovalev and GGG not having any outstanding wins on their resume, but like I said I'm going by talent rather than resume. I think they'll prove that they're better fighters than Bradley and D.Garcia soon enough. Crawford IMO will be a top 5 guy by 2015,,,, the rickey burns fight will be his coming out party, and a star will be born, Crawford going to UK and gonna stop Burns,, mark it down GGG needs a serg or murray win to enter my p4p rankings Kovolev needs the stevenson fight All of those fights should be attainable in 2014

fair enough,,, but gamboa hasnt had a quality win in years, and crawford, kovolev and ggg i really like, they just dont have the career wins for me to put them on yet,,They are in my honorable mention category I agree that Gamboa hasn't looked good in a while, but I think that's more down to what's been going on with him outside of the ring. He's a special talent. He needs to sort himself out ASAP though. And again, I agree about Crawford, Kovalev and GGG not having any outstanding wins on their resume, but like I said I'm going by talent/skillset rather than resume. I think they'll prove that they're better fighters than Bradley and D.Garcia soon enough.