Chavez Jr. by far. I knew from the first time I seen him he was just some over hyped bum who just beats his opponents because of his ridiculous weight advantage. I'm glad things are going downhill for him now though after his losses to Martinez & Vera. I can't wait to see him get destroyed by Froch & Ward if those fights happen.
Bute was a big slab of disappointment; came billed as Froch's nemesis and the man with the guns to clear up the debris and win all the belts in the aftermath of the gruelling Super Six tournament.
But Bute left Nottingham with his head very publicly shoved right-up his own backside by Froch. Definitely not the Destroyer of Nations he was advertised as...but I did not actually see that one coming.
So - predicatably - it has to be Audley Harrison. Right from the outset he looked over-hyped, unwilling to make the big changes in style and preparation he needed to and thought he could get to the top without listening to anyone else.
Can clearly remember Dominic Negus - a guy with the most basic levels of ability and technique - being able to suddenly make things ugly and difficult for Audley for a round or so..with Negus being able to make it a street brawl and Audley suddenly looking spooked.
Audley won the fight and Negus took a battering but he should not have actually taken a punch himself against that kind of 'Z' list opposition and that was very telling indeed. Sorry Audley...but it is you again!
Donaire. I knew Rigo would beat him. Still a good fighter, but not top 3 p4p like many were saying at the time
Being beat by another great fighter does not mean some one is over hyped. Donaire is far from overrated
This is how I feel about Matthysse and Garcia, despite them not being up there in the same league with Donaire and Rigo.
When considering how many things can derail a fighter, how circumstances can affect a fighter, how a few too many loses, or taking on an opponent too early can destroy a fighter, virtually 95% of fighters are hyped.
When we look and see the landscape of talented fighters....guys like Michael Grant, Juan Ma, Nando, Khan, Judah, and the list goes on and on....were these guys overhyped?
Then you have guys who fly under the radar, get the tools they need to succeed later, at a young age usually, but have not been put into the hype, man love machine....guys like Chisora, a guy who is maybe 25 and has fought world class comp already. A guy who has fought the most exciting heavyweight bought of the last few years arguably....(much to the chagrin of the boxing machine).
the problem is not the fighters, it is the hype machine. What is so horrible about a fighter taking loses to get better? A few guys can manage to get through all these obstructions, are lucky and maybe even get brought along properly. Lets look at Floyd and Ward carefully. Are they SO much better?
Neither guy is really superfast, or super athletic. Both guys learned from guys capable of teaching and supporting them. Floyd has a family with guys like Roger....yes Roger sounds like a moron but the guy is a boxing genius. And Ward came up under the tutilge of the same guy and support system...slowly and surely. Both of these guys have natural gifts but they also know the sport.
If more guys had the support of great trainers, great infrastructure and were not being exploited we would have less guys getting exposed....and if when a guy got exposed the ethic was "go back and correct the problem" we would have more champions that would make adjustments and not fall down.
The secret is that America loves out heroes almost as much as we love to see them fail. Mike Tyson syndrome. "Mike we love you, you arethe best ever.....Mike you are a rapist, a criminal and a quitter."
Amir Khan, was and still is. I remember going many rounds with quality posters who thought this guy deserved a Floyd fight. Many rounds. Then are are people who believe they are sane who (still) do.
Amir Khan. Dude's been starched twice and dropped more times than I can remember and he's still looked at highly by his fanbase. I will never understand...
I will probably take major ***** for this but with a record of 12W 0L 8KOs I say rigondeaux is still overrated and is not p4p, I also think nonito is not overrated and beats rigondeaux in a rematch. JMO
the rematch will be boring as ****, nonito wont chase rigo, and rigo will still ride his bike!
I will probably take major ***** for this but with a record of 12W 0L 8KOs I say rigondeaux is still overrated and is not p4p, I also think nonito is not overrated and beats rigondeaux in a rematch. JMO
I'll put it like this Maidana lost to Devon 10-0 and people are calling for Maidana to get Broner fight, he appears to be getting over rated.
Maidana wasn't ready for that clinch fest. He would be better prepared for that tactic now, I think. But then? not so much.
But he climbed out of that hole by stringing together two tko stoppages over two solid, sturdy fighters. Those stoppages are far more impressive than Broner's hair thin victory over magic man and a stoppage of the midget rees before that.
he earned every shot he's ever gotten... as I said. No freebies for Maidana. Unlike Broner. if he had barely beaten Karass like Broner barely beat Malignaggi, he would not even be getting considered for a title shot.
I do feel like a fighter should n't be shut out by a simple clinch, if you want to take Devon 's win away and give it to Maidana that's your choice but if Devon fights like Maidana he'll get KOed. Do you want a guy like Randall Bailey to be a p4p king just because he hits hardest?
I don't know where your coming from here. Holding is illegal. To not hold doesn't mean he would be slugging it out with Maidana. If holding was his only way to win, then that means Maidana was better and made him fight his fight.
how is Maidana overrated when there are so many on this site that call him a bum, and give him only a punchers chance against Broner? He's not even on people's top 20 of current boxers around here. He doesn't even make the "Gatti List", when he should have a couple times by now. Maidana earns every shot he gets. The guy doesn't get not one damn freebie.
here's a few.
Rios- Lost to Alvarado, and got the Pac shot...
Broner- Feasted on smaller men, didn't make weight, cherry picked Magic man
Ortiz- Lost to Maidana, quit actually, and beat a overrated Berto for the Mayweather shot. quit against Mayweather.. and went on to quit again against Josesito.
Juan Ma Lopez- Was destined to fall
Berto- He gave two people a Mayweather shot.. why? I don't know why
Guerrerro- Lighter weight guy.. moves up, struggled with Aydin, beat an extremely overrated Berto, and got a Mayweather shot...
Chavez Jr- feasted on no hopers for a long time.. Stepped up and got schooled.. Now he's a disgrace.
Alvarez-feasted on junior welterweights and welterweights... Beat Trout, and got the mayweather shot..
Bute- protected in Canada until Froch came along
Clottey- Had way more potential than what he became
Judah- rarely fought a disciplined fight, which wasted his talents
I still enjoy watching some of these guys fight, but they were all overhyped.
Good list and reasoning for the most part.
Watch the fight Devon actually got cheated a point, anyway I'm sorry but people aren't going to just trade with Lucas and Maidana.
So they should be allowed to illegally hold? Non stop?
I'll put it like this Maidana lost to Devon 10-0 and people are calling for Maidana to get Broner fight, he appears to be getting over rated.
Hard to beat a guy who is allowed to hold 20 times a rd.