"Boxing Historian" Muhammad Ali Was A BUM

Lol. Well I give him his last 10 seconds.

who, may i ask, is this strange old fruit? apparently a master boxing historian lol

George Foreman is a ****in cab driver.

A bum? You may not like Ali but to say he was a bum is just wrong. Liston was feared but Ali beat him easily. A bum would not have been able to do that. A bum beat Frazier and Foreman? ali is the goat... that's just one wise guy trying to ride on ali's name....

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I'm entitled to say that anybody who calls Muhammad Ali a bum, should not be taken seriously when discussing boxing.

They had to get new gloves do you really believe it was done in a minute?? Get fvckin real dipshyt. Like I said people like you will say whatever just to be right! Also arguing with a hardcore fan like yourself is like arguing with a *******! You are too biased to see anything else. So much of a fan that your opinions don't really count!! are we to believe the contemporaneous British press were all in on this Ali conspiracy, too? :lol1: This topic has been debated to death over here. I can't believe idiots are still falling for this myth. For someone that claims to have all of Ali's career, all he had to do was a little research to realise it was fabricated.

As Roger Mayweather would say, "You don't know **** about boxing."

Ya ok I know what I am dip****. Now I can't talk to you anymore. I'm talking abouty who I am and your telling me I'm not ya ok see ya dipshyt!! I'll translate. "I'm being outdebated so I'll leave this thread."

Why is this 12 pages long. "The guy is wrong/crazy or has an agenda for some reason. /thread " That should have been it over. :lol1:

Um ok nothing you said holds any clout at all! You know it too. When you get to be 30 you start actually educating yourself. Everything you think you know is completely false. Because people like you will never open a book you'll just never see the lies we've been living in! If you honestly believe that this guy with perfect charisma became the HWC legitimatly then I feel for you because you are so lost in the actual reality of this world. You are officially brainwahsed by Mainstream media, news, sports news. Do you know how much money was made from Ali? Do you understand that this sport is run by lawyers and always have been? Do you know that most of the fairytale type biographies that we see about all these fighters are completely fabricated and sometimes outright made up lies??? Wake the fvck you dumbass shill!!!!!!!! I wasn't going to intervene but your abusiveness and level of ignorance is astounding. "This guy with perfect charisma" as you call him was, before winning the title, widely seen as a loud mouth clown (a little like yourself, but you don't have the charm). After winning the title and announcing his conversion to the Nation Of Islam, Ali fast became possibly the most hated figure in the history of American sport. To suggest that he was a nothing more than a money making PR exercise (akin to Carnera) because Liston may or may not have been paid off in their first fight is nonsense. If you're as self educate as you proclaim (rather than just paranoid and delusional) then you're going a pretty sh*tty job of it.

Muhammad Ali is the greatest. I was drunk when I said Lennox was the greatest. It's Ali. hahahaha Good to hear. At least you admit it.

It's not a myth Dundee admitted it numerous times!! Ali was dropped hard and got saved lets be real. Don't make me put video up!! You think you can just say it's a myth and that everyone will just believe your rediculousness!!! Put the video up and point out: A. Where Dundee cut Ali's gloves b. The extra time you claim Ali had. I'll wait.

This dude is a ****ing idiot. That is all.

I agree that Ali is not the GOAT but he wasnt a bum......

Here is the facts: Did Ali have one punch KO power: No. Does Ali get more repect for his achievments because of his current condition: Yes. Did Ali's trainer save his ass against Cooper by buying time?: Yes. Did Ali lose to Norton those times?: Yes. The man told no lies here. One of the stupidest myths in boxing history and only retold by those who haven't even watched the fight and simply circulate foolish rumours they've seen around the place. The worst kind of imbecile.

Lewis fought the 2nd half of his career half blind. Where did you get this from? Out of curiosity, why do you love (almost obsessed) with Lennox that much? I mean he was a great champion (one of the best in HW ever) but THAT special... just can't see it. Are you from uk?

The "historian" has the "record" part right especially in the last 30 years! As for Ali he should take his own advice and do the research on Ali as a young amatuer and where he now sits in the history of boxing. I like a puncher alot because their always in the fight but to not recognize a boxer who added his own techniques into what was a well schooled boxer needs to be acknowledged!! Ali invented himself and was the greatest promotor since Tex Ritter in boxing! He also backed up everything he said he'd do. He did have a few terrible outings but everyone has them and he always seemed to come back an offer an honest effort! The word "Bum" is often used but no one knows its meaning, so here it is; Boxing Bum...........someone who doesn't make an honest effort in a bout to win or compete!! Most noted Bum is someone who HAS the talents but refuses to give the effort needed to win or compete! It is NOT someone with lesser skills than his opponent and looses! It certainly isn't Ali either! Although that first Spinks fight he was a little bit on the ........................bum side! hahahaha!!!! In the old days it was also an expression for someone who failed in convincing people that his defeat was legit! "throwing a fight"....... Ray.

This guy is a toll. Saying Ali is a bum is worse than saying Michael Jordan or Pele are bums...

And that's fine, but the lack of respect Jeffries is getting due to the fact that this "historian" called Ali a bum is ridiculous. Dempsey himself said he would get Koed. Johnson called him the greatest ever, and said he would beat Dempsey and Louis. Not to mention Langford. Jeffries might have been no Ali, in terms of personality, but he was- in my opinion, all the great of fighter Ali was.

Of course not, but like I said, it is a fact. So did many others. Joe Louis beat many greats? He doesn't get anywhere near the recognition Ali does. You really think he gets no sympathy? Watch the fight. Ali disagrees with you in his autobiography. Joe still gets more recognition then Ali dose the only reason it seems Ali gets more is because he still alive