How does Bob Arum stand to make more money from Pacquiao losing?

Who are the other big promoters besides Top Rank and GBP? Is Don King still around?

You're asking the wrong question. The top objective is and always was to kill all talks of a Mayweather bout. Everything else trickles down from there. But regardless, Bradley won the fight. AND THE NEW... :wave: As an unbiased fan who likes both Pacquiao and Mayweather (as fighters, of course. Manny's a little easier to like as a human but this is boxing), I don't think it's obvious that either fighter wants to fight the other. In my opinion, Pacquiao's camp has plenty of reason to believe he can't beat Mayweather. On the other hand, Mayweather's afraid of a puncher's chance, or possibly of being robbed. Plus, does this kill talks of a Mayweather fight? No. Pacquiao dominated Bradley's ass. It's not the case that it was a close fight and so now we're preoccupied with a rematch. Everyone still thinks Manny won and they still want that fight. We know while he's with Top Rank, even if he wants the Floyd fight, it won't be made. But Manny can't just leave Top Rank, he has a contract. The real reason for this fix was to either create a new star in Bradley, or at the very least create a profitable possible trilogy. It did neither, so Arum's SOL until he can figure out how to fix this. I wouldn't be surprised if he were to throw Bradley under the bus immediately and just join the chorus of people saying he's an illegitimate champion, and go find someone else for Manny to fight.

You're asking the wrong question. The top objective is and always was to kill all talks of a Mayweather bout. Everything else trickles down from there. But regardless, Bradley won the fight. AND THE NEW... :wave:

I don't think this situation played out the way Arum thought it would. I think he figured - which I can understand - Bradley would give a convincing enough performance that at least you could make some semblance of an argument for him deserving the win. That way, a rematch in November and a possible rubber match makes more sense. I don't think he expected Pacquiao to dominate and for the entire public to agree and be outraged. That sort of explains his excitement for Bradley at the end of the fight, and then turning completely around and saying it was a ridiculous decision. He gambled on Bradley being better, and he wasn't. If I'm right about this, it's possible a rematch won't occur. Although I think if it does, Arum will screw Bradley no matter what (although really, the idea of Bradley getting elite-level skills by November and Manny being completely shot by then are pretty much 0%). Even if Bradley were to fight his ass off and 'win', he wouldn't get the decision. The next person in line to get ****ed over by Arum is his experiment-gone-bad Timothy Bradley, and I think there's plenty of reason to believe that. didn't read this before my post...but agreed, it appears that way :fing02:

This isn't a rhetorical question. I'd really like to know how this works. I watched the fight and I, like most others, thought Pacquiao won. It seems like most people are blaming Bob Arum, but how exactly is he making more money? I thought about it and my guess was that either a) he'll make money from promoting a rematch or b) he'll make money from upcoming Tim Bradley fights. But consequently, wouldn't he lose money from future Pacquiao fights? Anyway, I'm just speculating, so can someone please explain to me in detail what Bob Arum is doing to fatten his own pockets? Rematch isn't going to sell, first fight was a hard sell anyway. Nothing in that fight showed that Tim Bradley is going to be a star. Bradley has no pop, Pacquiao was laughing at him.

This isn't a rhetorical question. I'd really like to know how this works. I watched the fight and I, like most others, thought Pacquiao won. It seems like most people are blaming Bob Arum, but how exactly is he making more money? I thought about it and my guess was that either a) he'll make money from promoting a rematch or b) he'll make money from upcoming Tim Bradley fights. But consequently, wouldn't he lose money from future Pacquiao fights? Anyway, I'm just speculating, so can someone please explain to me in detail what Bob Arum is doing to fatten his own pockets? you know this entire fiasco has brought up interesting questions...to answer yours first...he tells us just how right after the fight, something along the lines of "I'll make a lot of money from the rematch." But if he did set this whole thing up (i can't explain how, which means I'm not entirely sure he did, but it's an idea, true or not, that I don't share alone) he must've been banking on a close fight, which general consensus says it wasn't. Pacquiao loses, setting up a highly anticipated rematch. But since the general opinion says it wasn't a close fight, he just has a whole bunch of backlash now, and a lot of people are suspicious. So, now it looks like he's trying to save face...maybe cause he really didn't do anything suspect, he could honestly be very concerned for Pacquiao and is willingly launching an investigation :dunno: I dunno, I had the fight 8-4...I had basically Jerry Roth's scorecard except I gave round 7 to Pac. If I didn't, I would've had it one round away from a draw. Still, it was clear enough for me, but I didn't have it as wide as a lot of other people did.

Okay it makes sense now. All great answers, thanks for the clarification guys.

I was going to comment, but too many people took the words out of my mouth. There is alot of smart boxing fans on the site, that can see through all the smoke and mirrors of Bob. If they do make a rematch, I won't watch out of principal. Bob is just cashing out on Manny and trying to make some new money with Bradley.

This isn't a rhetorical question. I'd really like to know how this works. I watched the fight and I, like most others, thought Pacquiao won. It seems like most people are blaming Bob Arum, but how exactly is he making more money? I thought about it and my guess was that either a) he'll make money from promoting a rematch or b) he'll make money from upcoming Tim Bradley fights. But consequently, wouldn't he lose money from future Pacquiao fights? Anyway, I'm just speculating, so can someone please explain to me in detail what Bob Arum is doing to fatten his own pockets? Bob Arum, like a lot of smart businessman, is thinking about the long run. Sure he can make a lot of money off of Pacquiao for couple of fights. But Pacquiao is retiring soon. His last performances haven't been great. He's getting older. So Top Rank needs a new star. Top Rank is trying to build Timothy Bradley into that undefeated cash cow. And after the way he won on Saturday, he automatically became a villain. Bob Arum probably realized how much of an attraction an undefeated villain is from seeing Floyd Mayweather. But I do think that Arum has a flaw. Timothy Bradley seems like he has a better understanding of how business works in boxing better than Pacquiao. When the right time comes, I do believe that Bradley will follow the steps Oscar and Floyd did and leave at the right time.

Interesting points. So if Pac leaves Top Rank, will he have a harder time trying to get a rematch or will he be required to use Top Rank to promote a rematch due to some clause in the contract or something?

Arum is going to do this little investigation thing so people are comfortable that another robbery will not occur in the rematch. People will be excited to see Pac go for revenge and it will sell....same old story. The Pac fans alone will buy 800K I don't think this situation played out the way Arum thought it would. I think he figured - which I can understand - Bradley would give a convincing enough performance that at least you could make some semblance of an argument for him deserving the win. That way, a rematch in November and a possible rubber match makes more sense. I don't think he expected Pacquiao to dominate and for the entire public to agree and be outraged. That sort of explains his excitement for Bradley at the end of the fight, and then turning completely around and saying it was a ridiculous decision. He gambled on Bradley being better, and he wasn't. If I'm right about this, it's possible a rematch won't occur. Although I think if it does, Arum will screw Bradley no matter what (although really, the idea of Bradley getting elite-level skills by November and Manny being completely shot by then are pretty much 0%). Even if Bradley were to fight his ass off and 'win', he wouldn't get the decision. The next person in line to get ****ed over by Arum is his experiment-gone-bad Timothy Bradley, and I think there's plenty of reason to believe that.

But he has two in house fights, Cotto rematch and Marquez rematch that will easily outsell Pac vs Bradley II. Even though Cotto is with GBP, I have no doubt that he can go do a deal with Top Rank to get a Pacquiao fight (with Arum promoting both). I doubt Pac or Arum would agree to a fight with Cotto at 154.

This isn't a rhetorical question. I'd really like to know how this works. I watched the fight and I, like most others, thought Pacquiao won. It seems like most people are blaming Bob Arum, but how exactly is he making more money? I thought about it and my guess was that either a) he'll make money from promoting a rematch or b) he'll make money from upcoming Tim Bradley fights. But consequently, wouldn't he lose money from future Pacquiao fights? Anyway, I'm just speculating, so can someone please explain to me in detail what Bob Arum is doing to fatten his own pockets? Arum is going to do this little investigation thing so people are comfortable that another robbery will not occur in the rematch. People will be excited to see Pac go for revenge and it will sell....same old story. The Pac fans alone will buy 800K

He's going to make more money because they're gonna have a rematch where again he'll make 100 percent profit being that both fighters are under Top Rank. He also can cut Pacs paycheck since he lost. Plus if the fight is close again and Pac gets the decision he can make a trilogy all while keeping all the money IN HOUSE. And he can duck mayweather being that if Pac ever fights Mayweather then Arum will have to share the profits and can't take 100 percent like he's been doing while matching all his own fighters against each other. Cotto vs Margarito, Pac vs Cotto, Pac vs Clottey, Pac vs Margarito, Pac vs Marquez, now Pac vs Bradley. Plus there are rumors that pac was thinking of leaving Arum. Now Arum has him by the balls and can pressure him into signing a long term deal with Top rank in order to get the rematch. But he has two in house fights, Cotto rematch and Marquez rematch that will easily outsell Pac vs Bradley II. Even though Cotto is with GBP, I have no doubt that he can go do a deal with Top Rank to get a Pacquiao fight (with Arum promoting both).

I wish the mods weren't so quick to delete threads, because I have a real good one breaking down the pros and cons of fixing this fight and if we should blame Bob. In a nutshell, a part of me says it was a scam and the other thinks that maybe it was incompetent judging. I say this because Marquez vs Pacquiao IV does over 1.3 million buys and I can see a Cotto rematch doing over 1.2. So those are two money fights right there that Arum has, and I can't possible see him doing over a million with the Bradley rematch. Then again maybe he was banking on the fact that a rematch, after a Pacquiao loss will make a ton of money, be competitive and setup a rubber match. I honestly don't know as Saturday night defined all logic and took everyone by surprise.

He's going to make more money because they're gonna have a rematch where again he'll make 100 percent profit being that both fighters are under Top Rank. He also can cut Pacs paycheck since he lost. Plus if the fight is close again and Pac gets the decision he can make a trilogy all while keeping all the money IN HOUSE. And he can duck mayweather being that if Pac ever fights Mayweather then Arum will have to share the profits and can't take 100 percent like he's been doing while matching all his own fighters against each other. Cotto vs Margarito, Pac vs Cotto, Pac vs Clottey, Pac vs Margarito, Pac vs Marquez, now Pac vs Bradley. Plus there are rumors that pac was thinking of leaving Arum. Now Arum has him by the balls and can pressure him into signing a long term deal with Top rank in order to get the rematch.

Well they can work the revenge angle. Pacquiao was robbed can he get his revenge for his first loss in 7 years!! And then the rubber match is a 3rd fight, the tie breaker, All the while they are avoiding Floyd, "we can't fight Floyd we have to take care of Bradley first" Also, who else is Pacquiao going to fight? Marquez?

Have a rematch where Pacquiao gets his revenge, and then finish off with a rubber match. So he'd make more money from Pacman fighting Bradley a second time, as apposed to fighting someone he hasn't fought before? And what's a rubber match?

Have a rematch where Pacquiao gets his revenge, and then finish off with a rubber match.