HORUS PRESENTS: STOP BLAMING BOB ARUM, NO Conspiracy PACQUIAO LOST! Here's WHY!!!

6/10/2012 By Horus STOP BLAMING BOB, NO Conspiracy PACQUIAO LOST!Here's WHY!!! THE SIMPLE TRUTH ABOUT PACQUIAO'S LOST There are many reason why 3 professional judges with more than a combined 50+ years in judging professional fights scored the fight the way they did. They are trained to account for, and see things the average fan does not. They are trained to score every round independently. They are trained to look numerous factors, 4 of which are of most importance. Such as Ring Generalship, Effective/Clean Punching, Defense, and Effective Aggressiveness. If you do not like this standard of how fights are judged, Dont leave it in the hands of judges, simple as that! On Saturday Night, Pacquiao lost to Bradley probably because he failed to effectively meet the standards in which Boxing Matches are scored in the majority of the 12 rounds he fought Bradley. Can you say in every round that Pacquiao for majority of the 3 minutes in each round displayed mastery of Ring Generalship, Effective/Clean Punching, Defense, and Effective Aggressiveness over Tim Bradley???? If you can, than guess what? The 3 professional judges scoring the fight disagree with you. Because for 7 out of the 12 rounds scored. 2 of the judges believe Timothy Bradley met the standard of which boxing matches are scored. BOB ARUM IS NOT TO BLAME Why is Bob Arum being made the scapegoat in this whole fiasco??? I honestly feel that Bob Arum is getting unfair heat right now for something he did not control. Under no circumstance, can I find a logical motive for Bob Arum to rip off his only PPV cash cow in Manny Pacquiao!! FACTS TO THINK ABOUT 1. Bob Arum does not pick the judges, NSAC Does! 2. Bob Arum does not pick the Ref, NSAC Does! 3. In almost in every case The supervising Athletic Commission will make all official assignment which includes judges and referee to work the contest. In championship fights, a commission not one person decides who will be the judges, and who will referee the fight! Manny Pacquiao right now with Top Rank, was and is a bigger draw than Oscar De la hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Roberto Duran, and maybe even Sugar Ray Leonard when they were with Top Rank. This means, out of all the fighters that Bob Arum ever promoted besides Ali, he has the most invested in ensuring Manny Pacquiao does not get ripped off by judges, and dare I say it PROTECTED by judges. Over the past 6 Six Years we have seen BOB ARUM makes an ass out himself in the defense and preservation of his “GOLDEN GOOSE” Manny Pacquiao. He has went on record and called Manny Pacquiao greater than Ali. He has went on record and said Manny Pacquiao is the biggest star boxing has ever seen. He has made up illogical excuses when People would Bash Manny reasons for not wanting to take drug test. (Afraid of needles) He has kept Manny away from Slick Counter punchers for mostly all of his career ( Guzman, Mayweather, Martinez, etc..) BOB ARUM has been the greatest Promoter to Manny Pacquiao than any Promoter has been to any fighter in my opinion. So with that said Under no circumstance, can I find a logical motive for Bob Arum to rip off his only PPV cash cow in Manny Pacquiao, to give Timothy Bradley from Palm Springs, with no fan based a victory over So called Fighter of the decade “Manny Pacquiao” WHAT DOES BOB ARUM AND TOP RANK HAVE TO GAIN BY PACQUIAO LOSING? Think about this since Manny lost to Bradley. Do you still feel the same way about a Possible Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight? as you would have if Manny would have won? The fight that could have been so huged even now if Pacquiao would have kept his winning streak going, but now (ALL BECAUSE ARUM WANTED BRADLEY TO WIN???? :think) it is ruined. Do you still feel the same way about a Possible Pacquiao vs. Marquez 4 as you would have if Manny would have won? TOP RANK HAD MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS IF PACQUIAO WOULD HAVE WON! TOP RANK had many different options for Manny Pacquiao all revolved around him winning this Bradley Match. 1st: Try to Make the Mayweather fight, while Mayweather fresh out of jail, and rusty. 2nd: Pacquiao vs JMM 4 3rd: Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto 2 4th: Pacquiao vs Lamont Peterson 5th: Pacquiao vs Victor Ortiz (MAKES COMPLETE SENSE FOR GOLDENBOY GIVES THEM A OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WE CAN WORK WITH TOP RANK) 6th: Pacquiao vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (AT A CATCHWEIGHT) especially if Chavez looks good vs Lee. If Bob Arum was going to CASH OUT and Rigged a fight. Why not Rigged a fight in Which He has a bankable Star in Julio Cesar Chavez Jr!!!! This would make more logical sense! 7TH: Pacquiao vs Brandon Rios IN CLOSING What happen on saturday night. was not the work of Bob Arum. What happen on saturday night was the Manny Pacquiao lost to Tim Bradley in the eyes of the judges who scored the fight. After all wasnt TOP RANK and TEAM PACQUIAO would said trust the commission, and let them do their jobs!!. Well guess what, The commission assigned those judges, and the judges believe that based in which all professional judges should score a fight. MANNY PACQUIAO YOU LOST!!!

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Bro read my post, then you will understandd the point I made in this thread. Where is the major bull**** in my post. Again that is some major BS, effective agressiveness is what it counts, Bradley could do **** to Pacquiao and Pac wobbled his ass everytime he landed on Bradley! Pacquiao controlled the tempo, the way the fight was fought and the pace!! Theres not one single thing Tim did better than Pacquiao in that fight! Sorry brother, but your theory is a major failure this time!! If you really believe Tim won the fight then you need to find another sport to be a fan of!!

13y ago

Horus8731

I reported your thread, threat titles are not allowed to be in all caps My title is not in all caps. HORUS PRESENTS: STOP BLAMING BOB ARUM, NO Conspiracy PACQUIAO LOST! Here's WHY!!! :wave:

13y ago

Horus8731

Horus that was some major bullshit!!!! Pacquiao won clearly stop it!!! Bro read my post, then you will understandd the point I made in this thread. Where is the major bull**** in my post. WHY PACQUIAO LOST There are many reason why 3 professional judges with more than a combined 50+ years in judging professional fights scored the fight the way they did. They are trained to account for, and see things the average fan does not. They are trained to score every round independently. They are trained to look numerous factors, 4 of which are of most importance. Such as Ring Generalship, Effective/Clean Punching, Defense, and Effective Aggressiveness. If you do not like this standard of how fights are judged, Dont leave it in the hands of judges, simple as that! On Saturday Night, Pacquiao lost to Bradley probably because he failed to effectively meet the standards in which Boxing Matches are scored in the majority of the 12 rounds he fought Bradley. Can you say in every round that Pacquiao for majority of the 3 minutes in each round displayed mastery of Ring Generalship, Effective/Clean Punching, Defense, and Effective Aggressiveness over Tim Bradley???? If you can, than guess what? The 3 professional judges scoring the fight disagree with you. Because for 7 out of the 12 rounds scored. 2 of the judges believe Timothy Bradley met the standard of which boxing matches are scored.

13y ago

Light_Speed

I have been waiting for a good explanation of what specifically Arum gains by devaluing his largest draw, I just don't see why Arum would do this. Gee I have no idea. Could it be that Arum wanted to make more money in the (already scheduled) rematch? Could it be that he wanted to build a new star in his stable because the old cash cow was on his way out? :sad: That mystery will never be solved...

13y ago

AWolf

Arum's scam failed because of how sloppily Bradley executed his end of the equation. Arum and Trampler took a calculated risk it would be close enough to rob Pacquiao undetected.

13y ago

Horus8731

Wiley you still going off at the mouth against Mayweather. Smh. You'd think you'd learn after getting ethered by Horus :lol1:. Some people never learn. :popcorn: Wiley has no shame. He is clearly on a suicide mission.

13y ago

RomeByKo

I really like what you say here, and it speaks volume about judging in boxing in general. No one on here is a professional judge, hell Ledderman isn't even a professional judge anymore. No one on here takes classes from a certified professional on how to score a fight, no one on here is paid to score hundreds of fights a year, and no one on here is approved by a commission to judge a fight. Judges are taught to score a fight on the criteria you listed above, not just who lands the best punch in a round. They are also taught to score a fight a round at a time, not all at once like everyone, including ledderman, does. Judges don't have the benefit of HD television broadcasts, blow by blow announcers, or even different camera angles. Judges see the fight from where they are sitting and that's it, so obviously a judge on one side of the ring will see something a judge on the side won't. They're also sequestered during a fight, meaning they get no influence from other people, unlike those of us watching at home, sitting in press row, or even in the stands (yes, judges hear the crowd, but they are taught to ignore it). Above all though, different judges like different things. Some don't count ring generalship that much some do, it all depends on what a certain judge likes or sees. This fight was weird because all three judges thought it was very close, two of them are two of the top judges in the business. Who knows, IMO I thought Pacquiao won, but I am not going to sit here and say I know better than a trained judge who does this for a living. I think it also helps their case that all three of the scores were close, if they were all over the place I think it would be even stranger of a decision. This ^^^..Good post..

13y ago

ChampBoxPR

Horus that was some major bullshit!!!! Pacquiao won clearly stop it!!!

13y ago

Horus8731

What does Arum have to gain? A rematch so they can get paid twice. The rematch will be surrounded with controversy, Pacquiao angered and gunning for a KO, Bradley looking to prove his doubters wrong. Its a brilliant idea. Bradley is a more known name in the boxing community than he was before this fight. People talking that "boycott" and "finished with boxing" are full of shyt. They're going to drop the $54.95 or $64.95 HD version on the rematch. It will be an even bigger event. Ask yourself this. From a business standpoint, Did Bob Arum lose more way than he gained by Pacquiao losing last night, rather winning? If Pacquiao won: The Mayweather fight would have still be kept alive, and supported as the biggest fight ever in boxing. The fight that could have been so huged even now if Pacquiao would have kept his winning streak going. But now, it has lost alot of its appeal because Pacquiao winning streak, and with it he aura of his new found Dominance has now been wiped out with this lost. The JMM fight would have been huged in November, because once again JMM would have tried to prove to the world he is the only person in the world that can beat Pacquiao if Mayweather will not fight him. Since Pacquiao Lost: Both the Mayweather fight, and JMM rematch has lost it underlying appeal. which is who can now stop pacquiao since his new found dominance since the JMM2?

13y ago

Wiley_Hyena

Wiley you still going off at the mouth against Mayweather. Smh. You'd think you'd learn after getting ethered by Horus :lol1:. Some people never learn. Truth is the truth. Horus cannot speak the truth because he knows the truth. Now it appears that its time for Floyd to move on to greener pastures, with the Ho's etc.... Last night was the signal from boxing that this Pac v Floyd crap is going to stop. Business is business. Boxing must move on.

13y ago

Horus8731

I read your post..This does not change my opinion..My opinion is Arum is involved in the outcome of this fight.. Boxing fans who pay to watch these fights who travel to watch fights who come on these sites to give there opinion all have been slapped in the face again..As we are looking at the Sport we love and saying what a joke.. Boxing is now becoming a joke as we have to except these results...I want to see something done about this Bs result..What's the point of having a commission at all if they will not do nothing about this disease we are now facing.. I took out alot my post please read. To me Bob Arum lost way than he gained by Pacquiao losing last night. 6/10/2012 FACTS TO THINK ABOUT 1. Bob Arum does not pick the judges, NSAC Does! 2. Bob Arum does not pick the Ref, NSAC Does! 3. In almost in every case The supervising Athletic Commission will make all official assignment which includes judges and referee to work the contest. In championship fights, a commission not one person decides who will be the judges, and who will referee the fight! TOP RANK HAD MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS IF PACQUIAO WOULD HAVE WON! TOP RANK had many different options for Manny Pacquiao all revolved around him winning this Bradley Match. 1st: Try to Make the Mayweather fight, while Mayweather fresh out of jail, and rusty. 2nd: Pacquiao vs JMM 4 3rd: Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto 2 4th: Pacquiao vs Lamont Peterson 5th: Pacquiao vs Victor Ortiz (MAKES COMPLETE SENSE FOR GOLDENBOY GIVES THEM A OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WE CAN WORK WITH TOP RANK) 6th: Pacquiao vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (AT A CATCHWEIGHT) especially if Chavez looks good vs Lee. If Bob Arum was going to CASH OUT and Rigged a fight. Why not Rigged a fight in Which He has a bankable Star in Julio Cesar Chavez Jr!!!! This would make more logical sense! 7TH: Pacquiao vs Brandon Rios IN CLOSING What happen on saturday night. was not the work of Bob Arum. What happen on saturday night was the Manny Pacquiao lost to Tim Bradley in the eyes of the judges who scored the fight. After all wasnt TOP RANK and TEAM PACQUIAO would said trust the commission, and let them do their jobs!!. Well guess what, The commission assigned those judges, and the judges believe that based in which all professional judges should score a fight. MANNY PACQUIAO YOU LOST!!!

13y ago

LEATHERF8CE

Cruz, the focus of my post was to point how bob arum had nothing to do with this lost in my opinion. I first explained how fights are scored. than give a Brief explanation why Pacquiao lost in the judges eyes IMO. Then I went on the explain why I feel Bob Arum and Top Rank had no motive in Pacquiao losing to Bradley of all people.!! agree, 100%...

13y ago

oscar_angels091

Pac vs jcc jr at a catchweight? Haha he can bearly Make 160

13y ago

badass316

Ho ho the boat man is back. A clear imminent sign that this board is about to see a huge cluster **** of floyd stans congregating in some sort of orgasmic ritual.

13y ago

S_H_A_R_K_B_O_Y

Agreed. But, the issue is why is Pac v Floyd never happening? VERY SIMPLE: FLOYD WILL NOT RISK HIS UNDEFEATED GOOSE EGG AGAINST MANNY PACQUIAO. Wiley you still going off at the mouth against Mayweather. Smh. You'd think you'd learn after getting ethered by Horus :lol1:. Some people never learn.

13y ago

DeadLikeMe

Here is some food for thought...if Arum can rig fights like this, would that mean Floyd wasn't ducking any Top Rank fighters but rather ducking Arum's influence in boxing? You can't have it both ways pacfarts, Floyd ducking Manny and Arum fixing a fight against Manny are mutually exclusive.

13y ago

Wiley_Hyena

Pac and Floyd is never happening. Move past it. Arum's objective is to generate the most revenue he can with his current stable of in-house fighters. What other fighters does he have in-house that can compete with Pacquiao: Bradley He thought Mike Jones would be one but that flopped Marquez He's trying to push Rios as a potential opponent And Cotto - If this fight is made, he will be the lead promoter and still keep all the revenue Agreed. But, the issue is why is Pac v Floyd never happening? VERY SIMPLE: FLOYD WILL NOT RISK HIS UNDEFEATED GOOSE EGG AGAINST MANNY PACQUIAO.

13y ago

turkas

Not really, Bob Arum has been robbing us for decades now, and after the abril fight I was almost very close to just walking away from all top rank fights and top rank fighters entirely This was the last straw Not really everyone said the same thing after Lewis Holyfield I, Mayweather Ortiz, and the list goes on and on. Everyone is all riled up now, but come November people will by this fight. Of course the casual fan, is gonna wanna see Pacquiao fight for his revenge or see if Bradley can beat him again. Hell, I am considering making my first trip to vegas for a mega fight, especially since it's over my birthday. It'll be a hell of a time there.

13y ago

typeone

13y ago

PBP

Arum only does this if he truly believes Floyd will never fight Pac at the top of his game. Otherwise, its a nonstarter because its bad for business. And, ya'll are missing the major point of Horus' post. The point was to say that Pac was dodging Floyd! Once that subtle point is dismissed, then his whole post falls of its own bloated weight. Pac and Floyd is never happening. Move past it. Arum's objective is to generate the most revenue he can with his current stable of in-house fighters. What other fighters does he have in-house that can compete with Pacquiao: Bradley He thought Mike Jones would be one but that flopped Marquez He's trying to push Rios as a potential opponent And Cotto - If this fight is made, he will be the lead promoter and still keep all the revenue

13y ago