From 2005 to 2009 who had a tougher run than Jermain Taylor?

wow. I never realized this TOUGH run Taylor had. It's true, I remember this guy was consistently fighting the best and WINNING most of the time too. And for what it's worth, even though it doesn't matter anymore but I had Taylor winning the Pavlik rematch. I just rewatched the fight a little while ago as my way of trying to "hype" myself up for tonight's card, and I had it 116-112 for taylor. I look forward to seeing Taylor's comeback, truly one of the best.

I've always said this much, but people on here HATED Taylor when he was champion. I think some people never got over the fact that he ended B-Hop's streak. But there's no way in hell Hopkins has a claim to winning either of those fights. He did absolutely nothing for 7 of the first 8 rounds in the first fight. You can't win a fight by only winning 5 rounds unless you score some KDs or get points deducted from the opponent. He also beat Wright in my opinion. At best, Winky could have gotten a draw, which is what he got. I thought Taylor was a fine champion. He just didn't knock *****z out, but so what? part of it was the lack of consistency in his performence, the winky fight, and the fact that he seemed ashamed of himself when he "beat" hopkins.

Is this why you go around stalking me and flaming my threads, Kev? Because you make great topics like "Taylor had it really tough, fighting the likes of Kassim Ouma and Cory Spinks." :lol1: :lol1: Great thread, man. :lol1: come on anorak youve been here long enough to know that when jermaine fought them they were worth something. although...they were a chore to watch

Miguel Cotto easily!@

Froch's resume looks better than Taylor's. Not knocking Taylor though, he fought some great battles, shame he's lost it though, he'll never be the same

I've always said this much, but people on here HATED Taylor when he was champion. I think some people never got over the fact that he ended B-Hop's streak. But there's no way in hell Hopkins has a claim to winning either of those fights. He did absolutely nothing for 7 of the first 8 rounds in the first fight. You can't win a fight by only winning 5 rounds unless you score some KDs or get points deducted from the opponent. He also beat Wright in my opinion. At best, Winky could have gotten a draw, which is what he got. I thought Taylor was a fine champion. He just didn't knock *****z out, but so what?

http://gifsoup.com/view/691444/rob-brydon-laughing-o.gif This forum never ceases to amaze me. Only on Boxing scene are Marquez(who Floyd didn't even make weight for), Hatton, De La Hoya and bum ass Judah better opponents than Hopkins and Winky Wright. My argument was the "run" should be based on the outcome of the fights and not the opponents themselves neccessarily. Anybody can get in the ring with the fighters Taylor did from 2005-2009. However the result was not impressive. I get it that it says tougher run and not better run, but a tough run doesn't mean sh*t, when you don't look good. I thought Hopkins won the first fight, so IMO Taylor went 1-1-1 against Hopkins and Winky.

What the hell does this thread have to do with Floyd? Thread title, who had a tougher run than Jermain Taylor. My response: Floyd

He really didn't and that was the problem. He never stopped being stiff and robotic, was terrible at making adjustments, struggled with consistent accuracy and lacked a certain mental toughness in the ring. He was unfairly labeled as 'athletic' when limited athleticism in terms of coordination and fluidity were liabilities were always issues. He stayed focused. He just only had so much upside and the hype overwhelmed that. He got a ton out of speed, strength, and tenacity. He's really an overachiever. Very good points. Too often, I think, a fighter gets called athletic if they display a bit of speed and explosivity, when true athleticism covers much more than that. Taylor had quite a few attributes that made him dangerous in the early rounds and against certain types of fighters, but he was never really able to improve beyond a certain point once he reached the top. Poor stamina as well, which is an athletic attribute. I'm not sure I'd say Taylor lacked mental toughness, though he tended to back off when he was hurt. He fought in the trenches when he had to, boxed when he had to, and was never to my knowledge intimidated in a fight to the point when he got shut out

In that time period Ricky Hatton took on Kosta Tszyu (pfp top 10), Floyd Mayweather (pfp #1), Manny Pacquiao pfp #1 with Collazo, Castillo, Malignaggi, Maussa and Urango thrown in for good measure. That's four best in the divisions - Tszyu, Mayweather, Pacquiao and I believe Malignaggi was next best at 140 when Ricky fought him. Also, the two best fighers in the sport - Mayweather and Pacquiao Now here's the good bit, barring Tszyu he fought them all away from home.

Reed, "is fighting blown up welters then getting KTFO by an alchy an ATG run at middleweight?" is almost as good as that thread you made the other week "John Ruiz, Clinton Woods, the guy who delivers the mail... why they belong in the HOF." Get new jokes

Floyd had a better run in that time period that included Marquez hatton de la Hoya and judah. Hell even throw baldomir, say what you want about him he just beat the last undisputed champ at 147. http://gifsoup.com/view/691444/rob-brydon-laughing-o.gif This forum never ceases to amaze me. Only on Boxing scene are Marquez(who Floyd didn't even make weight for), Hatton, De La Hoya and bum ass Judah better opponents than Hopkins and Winky Wright.

I remain steadfast in my belief that if JT would've stayed focused and @ 160 he would've gone down atleast as one of the best in his era. He had all the tools and began regressing I wouldn't say he had ALL the tools. He lacked sorely in the defense category and his stamina was less than stellar. I've said it for year now, those two Hopkins fights took something out of Taylor.

You did not mention it, but it was mentioned. Despite the title clearly stating from 2005-2009. And even though it wasn't mentioned, Froch's resume should be mentioned because his resume from 2008-2012 rivals Taylor's resume from 2005-2009. Froch's resume is superior because of results. Resume is bolstered by results. He has one clear loss, one close one, one ugly win, and five really good, crowd pleasing, clear wins. As to 05-09, Pacquiao probably comes closest but he had some lull fights like Velasquez and Diaz. Taylor's overall run in terms of quality was beastly. I remain steadfast in my belief that if JT would've stayed focused and @ 160 he would've gone down atleast as one of the best in his era. He had all the tools and began regressing He really didn't and that was the problem. He never stopped being stiff and robotic, was terrible at making adjustments, struggled with consistent accuracy and lacked a certain mental toughness in the ring. He was unfairly labeled as 'athletic' when limited athleticism in terms of coordination and fluidity were liabilities were always issues. He stayed focused. He just only had so much upside and the hype overwhelmed that. He got a ton out of speed, strength, and tenacity. He's really an overachiever.

What the hell does this thread have to do with Floyd? The thread specifically asked who had a toughter run from 2005-2009 than Taylor. The poster believes Floyd run was tougher... This thread has everything to do with JT and whoever anyone feels had a tougher run.

Allwere top 10 in their division when Taylor fought them, no rest. 1. Bernard Hopkins 2. Bernard Hopkins 3. Winky Wright 4. Kassim Ouma 5. Cory Spinks 6. Kelly Pavlik 7. Kelly Pavlik 8. Jeff Lacy 9. Carl Froch 10. Arthur Abraham The records of the fighters and how dangerous they were at the time is what makes the list more impressive although he lost some of those. Pavlik, Froch and Abraham were all undefeated powerful top fighters, very dangerous fights. Winky Wright hadn't lost since 1999 coming in. Bernard Hopkins hadn't lost in 12 years, which was to a top 30 ATG Roy Jones Jr in 1993. Ouma was a top 10 MW. And Lacy who was the worst one had only one, very embarrassing loss to a HOF'er in Joe Calzaghe. But i'm not hyping up Lacy as a great opponent though. What a warrior Jermain Taylor is. I hope he continues on his bounce back trail and becomes a top 10 fighter once again. When he's hot, as you can see he would fight the best and most dangerous fighters. It was a solid run and one appreciated more at the end. The debates on the Hopkins fights (I had JT losing and drawing in that order) and Wright (I had Taylor eeking it out or a draw...have to look it up) got him off to a rough start. Ouma was NOT a top ten MW and neither it or Spinks (I thought he lost to Spinks at the time in a God awful fight) weren't good performances but in retrospect good foes between beasts. Taylor was a limited guy who was well protected early and had giant balls in matchmaking once he arrived. Fine example of not judging the cake until it's baked. He might not always have won, but he always showed up. Never had the sort of single, impressive win he needed to put doubts to rest but quality of foes, and making the most of what he had, earned respect.

Floyd had a better run in that time period that included Marquez hatton de la Hoya and judah. Hell even throw baldomir, say what you want about him he just beat the last undisputed champ at 147. All of those are fights he won. You could argue that Taylor was 3-7 over that stretch. So who cares about who he was fighting if he wasn't winning and winning big What the hell does this thread have to do with Floyd?

Floyd had a better run in that time period that included Marquez hatton de la Hoya and judah. Hell even throw baldomir, say what you want about him he just beat the last undisputed champ at 147. All of those are fights he won. You could argue that Taylor was 3-7 over that stretch. So who cares about who he was fighting if he wasn't winning and winning big

Allwere top 10 in their division when Taylor fought them, no rest. 1. Bernard Hopkins 2. Bernard Hopkins 3. Winky Wright 4. Kassim Ouma 5. Cory Spinks 6. Kelly Pavlik 7. Kelly Pavlik 8. Jeff Lacy 9. Carl Froch 10. Arthur Abraham The records of the fighters and how dangerous they were at the time is what makes the list more impressive although he lost some of those. Pavlik, Froch and Abraham were all undefeated powerful top fighters, very dangerous fights. Winky Wright hadn't lost since 1999 coming in. Bernard Hopkins hadn't lost in 12 years, which was to a top 30 ATG Roy Jones Jr in 1993. Ouma was a top 10 MW. And Lacy who was the worst one had only one, very embarrassing loss to a HOF'er in Joe Calzaghe. But i'm not hyping up Lacy as a great opponent though. What a warrior Jermain Taylor is. I hope he continues on his bounce back trail and becomes a top 10 fighter once again. When he's hot, as you can see he would fight the best and most dangerous fighters. Ouma and Lacy are the only clear wins there. Ouma never fought at middleweight and Lacy, well, you said it yourself he isn't that great. All the other fights he either lost or barely won. So it doesn't really matter what kind of "run" he had if the end result was what it ended up being. I don't know how that can be considered anything more than the exact opposite of what you are suggesting it is

Because, I like Froch run more so than that run from Taylor. lol what? Taylor faced P4P #1 Bernard Hopkins twice and P4P #2 Winky Wright