With the plaster and 8 to 1 boxing clinic do you view cotto as a 1 loss fighter

you cant view him as a one loss fighter he had most of his prime taken out of him in that one loss unfortunately thats not how boxing works however, at a weight that should have favored the larger man (close to jr mw,) margarito's power would have showed up if he weren't using tainted gloves in the first fight he hasnt hurt anybody seriously since his plaster days every one of his victories with capetillo is in question of course i think he cheated in the first fight.

Cotto's 1-1 with Margarito.

no i had clottey winning

Here we go bud. Wake up. The Commission, the independent lab found that the TWO knuckle pads (not just one but the two of them) that revealed and Now, keep in mind that "The subject regulation, section 323 of title 4 of the California Code of Regulations 19 (Regulation 323)", states: Furthermore, the Commission found that Margarito "story" not to be credible, evasive, inherently improbable and in certain instances, disingenuous in the extreme!! WTF!! The Commission findings of fact states: All this BS resulted on his license being revoked, that means: GUILTY! Some of your Nay Sayers....that state that it was "talcum powder" and "handlotion" are smoking the pipe! You are just in denial! Take a look at the link. On pages 78-80 of the COURT documents you will magnified black and white (scanned) of the handwraps. You can CLEARLY notice the "plaster like" encrusted within the fibre of the gauze. Its not talcum powder, or hand lotion! Any how, see the link. There are 80 pages of court documents and clearly states that he was found guilty. So, stop crying! :bottle::bottle::bottle: California State Athletic Commission vs. Margarito Well that showed me

Originally Posted by edgarg You know, NV every single thing you said just now is exactly the opposite of the truth. The Commission found him to "be unaware" that the pads were illegal, and were inclined to exonerate him completely. But they were not able to do so because of a Rule clause. So the judgement also stated that he was being penalised "because you are the head of your team". (And they compromised by administering the lightest penalty allowed by the Rules). Those are the exact words in the legal decision handed down by the Commission. Why don't you look it up. I read the whole thing from start to finish about 3 weeks ago, including their reasons for not allowing the appeal. I also read legal opinions on the decision. I spent hours going through everything legal that was available. Not speculative fan crap, but solid evidence. Also the lab reports are available, stating that traces of 2 (TWO) elements of plaster-of-paris were found which with a third (a complex molecule of oxygen) would make the plaster. But there was NO THIRD ELEMENT. Do you understand what I'm saying there was NO 3rd element. And there was no quantity, just TRACES. The lab report went on to say that these 2 elements are found in many manufactured items and particularly used very much in COSMETICS. (think absorbent powder.) Another lab report I read said that the 2 traces were from hand cream. This is the second time tonight I've had to go through the same glop, I'm getting fed up with the blockheads who jump in with both eyes shut and mouth wide open. Contrary to what many might think (as if I care) I am not a "fan" of any fighter, and couldn't care less about Margarito, either as a fighter or as a person, although he's always shown himself publicly to be a decent, respectable kind of lad. So, has Cotto. None of this matters to me when we're discussing a lynching, over and over and over again. With me it's purely a matter of fact V fiction, looney speculation V hard evidence. Everything else, opinions, jumps of "inspiration" and all that crap mean nothing to me, never have. Never will. Here we go bud. Wake up. The Commission, the independent lab found that the TWO knuckle pads (not just one but the two of them) that revealed "a white flaky substance on the pad" and "was interstices of the gause it self". Now, keep in mind that "The subject regulation, section 323 of title 4 of the California Code of Regulations 19 (Regulation 323)", states: "Bandages shall not exceed the following restrictions: Furthermore, the Commission found that Margarito "story" not to be credible, evasive, inherently improbable and in certain instances, disingenuous in the extreme!! WTF!! In said Decision, the Commission found Mr. Margarito's claims that he was unaware of the foreign and illegal substance found in his fist wraps and that it was entirely the Opposition to Petition for Reconsideration fault of his trainer, to not be credible. In short, by assuming no responsibility or knowledge of rongdoing, Petitioner's testimony at the hearing was evasive, inherently improbable, in most respects, and, in certain specific instances, disingenuous in the extreme. Equally disturbing is the fact that not only was Mr. Margarito's testimony simply unconvincing (claiming that as an experienced, professional boxer of many years he had no way of knowing that something other than mere gauze wrappings and tape was being applied to his fist wraps underneath his gloves) his denials strained credulity. The Commission findings of fact states: 1. As a result of events at the January 24, 2009 Mosley-Margarito championship fight at Staples Center in Los Angeles, California; Complainant Bill Douglas, in his official capacity as Assistant Executive 2 Officer of the Commission, issued an Order of Suspension regarding the license of Respondent Antonio Margarito pursuant to Business and Professions Code section 18842. 2. The Commission's Rule 323 allows only the use of surgeon's adhesive tape and soft surgical bandage (gauze) when wrapping a boxer's hands prior to a fight. Likewise, the Commission's Boxing Rules and Guidelines for Championship Bouts also only permit adhesive tape and gauze. 3. During the wrapping of Respondent's hands by his trainer, Commission inspectors were alerted to the possible presence of a sUbstance or material other than tape and gauze in Respondent's hand wraps. The observer from the other boxer's camp, Nazim Richardson, asked to inspect the left hand gauze pad and believed it might be illegal. 4. Chief Athletic Inspector Dean Lohuis inspected the "knuckle pad" provided to Respondent by Javier Capetillo, Respondent's trainer. Dean Lohuis turned the pad over to the Commission Inspector assigned to Respondent at which point that Inspector, Che Guevara, discovered a thin, stiff, gauze pad with hardened edges that appeared to have been adulterated with a white substance and which is impermissible under Commission laws and rules. 5. Once the initial hard gauze pad was discovered Respondent became quite agitated about the situation and insisted there was no similar pad in his right hand wrap. 6. The right hand wrap, previously completely wrapped but not approved, was subsequently rechecked by Mr. Guevara. Mr. Guevara discovered a second thin, hard pad that also appeared to be adulterated with a white SUbstance and that was impermissible under Commission laws and rules.7. One adulterated pad was sent to the California Department of Justice Forensic Laboratory in Sacramento where it was examined and would be processed for testing. The pad was photographed under 6x magnifications. The photographs show a white flaky substance on the pad and within the interstices of the gauze itself. 8. Respondent testified that he was not aware that there were any problems with his hand wraps and that he did not see anyone arguing or discussing the thin gauze pads which had just been declared illegal. Respondent also testified that he was unsure as to why he had to appear before the Commission. Finally, Respondent testified, after examining one of the illegal pads, that he did not think there was anything wrong with the pad and that it just looked old. All this BS resulted on his license being revoked, that means: GUILTY! ORDER WHEREFORE, THE FOLLOWING ORDER is hereby made: Respondent's license is revoked. It is so ordered, this 3 day of March, 2009. Some of your Nay Sayers....that state that it was "talcum powder" and "handlotion" are smoking the pipe! You are just in denial! Take a look at the link. On pages 78-80 of the COURT documents you will magnified black and white (scanned) of the handwraps. You can CLEARLY notice the "plaster like" encrusted within the fibre of the gauze. Its not talcum powder, or hand lotion! Any how, see the link. There are 80 pages of court documents and clearly states that he was found guilty. So, stop crying! :bottle::bottle::bottle: California State Athletic Commission vs. Margarito

Absolutely. Cotto showed what happens when Margarito fights him clean. Pac beat him obviously, but in my mind, Margarito's whole career is tainted.

:bottle::bottle: did margarito popping that cherry hurt you that bad? Again that is all speculation. The wraps where plaster right? that means they where hard as cement right? Tell me wouldnt some one feel something weird after the fight when he was shaking hands with every one in there? Kinda like what happend with resto? Tell me, was Trinidad also not accused of wrapping incorrectly and gaining too much of an advantage with just tape and GAUZE? What do you think plaster would do? margaresto couldn't pop a 5 pound bag full of ten pounds of ****.

I'm a hugh "Cotto" fan, and with the assumption that he cheated isn't going to clear anything. Cotto, would of lost that first fight regardless of the plaster or not. Maybe not so brutal but a sure lose or draw. Now, the second fight was a one side fight and I feel that Cotto display an awesome plan to over come his opponent. Again, we can judge the fight on would have could of !

You know, NV every single thing you said just now is exactly the opposite of the truth. The Commission found him to "be unaware" that the pads were illegal, and were inclined to exonerate him completely. But they were not able to do so because of a Rule clause. So the judgement also stated that he was being penalised "because you are the head of your team". (And they compromised by administering the lightest penalty allowed by the Rules). Those are the exact words in the legal decision handed down by the Commission. Why don't you look it up. I read the whole thing from start to finish about 3 weeks ago, including their reasons for not allowing the appeal. I also read legal opinions on the decision. I spent hours going through everything legal that was available. Not speculative fan crap, but solid evidence. Also the lab reports are available, stating that traces of 2 (TWO) elements of plaster-of-paris were found which with a third (a complex molecule of oxygen) would make the plaster. But there was NO THIRD ELEMENT. Do you understand what I'm saying there was NO 3rd element. And there was no quantity, just TRACES. The lab report went on to say that these 2 elements are found in many manufactured items and particularly used very much in COSMETICS. (think absorbent powder.) Another lab report I read said that the 2 traces were from hand cream. This is the second time tonight I've had to go through the same glop, I'm getting fed up with the blockheads who jump in with both eyes shut and mouth wide open. Contrary to what many might think (as if I care) I am not a "fan" of any fighter, and couldn't care less about Margarito, either as a fighter or as a person, although he's always shown himself publicly to be a decent, respectable kind of lad. So, has Cotto. None of this matters to me when we're discussing a lynching, over and over and over again. With me it's purely a matter of fact V fiction, looney speculation V hard evidence. Everything else, opinions, jumps of "inspiration" and all that crap mean nothing to me, never have. Never will. so in other words what was provided to the forum by one of the members (statements from the case ) is wrong?? and u believe that margarito had no fault at all being that a fighter ALWAYS pays attention to the way his hands are being wrapped? i dont buy that bullsh1t story that margarito had no knowledge. call me biased or w.e u may but i personally DONT believe he is innocent and had no knowledge...it just doesnt make sense imo...im simply going based on what was provided as evidence when it came to the whole plaster thing...if im wrong then im wrong fine...but i dont see how that could be true

that margarito cheated is your opinion or speculation as well. No proof What the **** would you accept as 'proof'? Dumbass. There is no 'proof' because he hid the evidence well. Do you even know what the **** proof is? No, I doubt very much that you do. Proof is evidence enough to establish something as true. There is plenty of evidence, but the best of it was thrown away after the fight. No good cheater gets caught just like that. It is disingenuous to maintain that without proof a crime did not happen. You cannot prove that he did not cheat since no one from Cotto's camp was there and the Commissions are a bunch of ****tards that cannot spot faulty wraps. Remember, it wasn't the commission that found the plaster in margaresto's wraps, it was Richardson.

With the plaster incident and the rematch being 8 rounds to 1 there is no doubt that first win was dirty :wtf1: Why is there no doubt? Although its very possibly Margo cheated the 1st time, we may never know for sure. Cotto still lost twice. Him rematching and winning is great for him but it doesn't necessarily just wipe away the previous defeat.

i agree 100000% but lab results PROVED there was plaster of paris in his wraps and the commission DIDNT buy his story and stated he was tryin to lie about not knowing or cheating hence his yr suspension. Their was enough evidence to PROVE he had loaded wraps. y are we still talkin about this? why are ppl still denying the evidence and proof? someone in this forum copied parts of the case and posted it so ppl would shut up and stop speculating when the proof is already there. As for the 2 fights...loaded wraps or not i think it coulda went either way. it woulda been close cuz the fact remains cotto was gettin hit and sittin on the ropes to often. the 2nd fight he was smarter, stayed away from the ropes and brawling. he outboxed margs. You know, NV every single thing you said just now is exactly the opposite of the truth. The Commission found him to "be unaware" that the pads were illegal, and were inclined to exonerate him completely. But they were not able to do so because of a Rule clause. So the judgement also stated that he was being penalised "because you are the head of your team". (And they compromised by administering the lightest penalty allowed by the Rules). Those are the exact words in the legal decision handed down by the Commission. Why don't you look it up. I read the whole thing from start to finish about 3 weeks ago, including their reasons for not allowing the appeal. I also read legal opinions on the decision. I spent hours going through everything legal that was available. Not speculative fan crap, but solid evidence. Also the lab reports are available, stating that traces of 2 (TWO) elements of plaster-of-paris were found which with a third (a complex molecule of oxygen) would make the plaster. But there was NO THIRD ELEMENT. Do you understand what I'm saying there was NO 3rd element. And there was no quantity, just TRACES. The lab report went on to say that these 2 elements are found in many manufactured items and particularly used very much in COSMETICS. (think absorbent powder.) Another lab report I read said that the 2 traces were from hand cream. This is the second time tonight I've had to go through the same glop, I'm getting fed up with the blockheads who jump in with both eyes shut and mouth wide open. Contrary to what many might think (as if I care) I am not a "fan" of any fighter, and couldn't care less about Margarito, either as a fighter or as a person, although he's always shown himself publicly to be a decent, respectable kind of lad. So, has Cotto. None of this matters to me when we're discussing a lynching, over and over and over again. With me it's purely a matter of fact V fiction, looney speculation V hard evidence. Everything else, opinions, jumps of "inspiration" and all that crap mean nothing to me, never have. Never will.

the 2 loses are what they are, but since being caught with the tampered wraps Margarito has fought 3 world class opponents (Mosely, Pac, and Cotto). In those three fights , he hasn't been competitive, and its hard to find a single round he won clearly. Coincidence????????

Lol @ the biased. Mosley & Clottey beat Cotto...."faily". That's your opinion...opinions don't count. The final ruling of the ref-judges are, whether or not we individually agree or not.

He has 2 losses. And i have them in his record in my sig, but i put an * there, everybody here knows that it means he avenged 1 loss.

NV is wrong, and you are right. AND..the Commission report (all of which which I read including the appeal) stated that Margarito was unaware, but, "as head of the team you are responsible". They were all agreed that he was innocent, and some wanted to exonerate him completely. But because he was the head of the team, according to their Rules he had to be penalised. So they specifically stated that they gave him the lightest penalty allowed under their Rules. NV is one of those convinced-against-overwhelming-evidence guys. He'll never see the light. What also came out at the hearing was that the great Sherlock Richardson was actually there when the first bandage was wrapped, as were 4 Commissioners. So the story that he was late getting there, and wanted to see the wrapping done again etc.etc was another fable. During the wrapping of the second hand , Richardson (seemingly wanting to throw a spanner into the works, like he did in the Trinidad fiasco, to upset the fighter) asked that the wrappings be examined. He asked for the pad to be opened. The pad was made of NEW gauze as is laid down in the rules. In the centre they found a single strip of used gauze. The Commissioner who first handled it said that "it seemed a little stiffer in places, as if it had been in water". The lab found "traces" of "2 elements used in plaster-of-paris" but not the 3rd neccessary ingredient, and NO QUANTITY, only traces. The lab also said that these same elements are found frequently in cosmetics. One report actually said it was a touch of hand cream. So the damned pad was actually HARMLESS, and as Arum immediately issued a suit against the Commission requiring them to show that it could be harmful in any way to human beings, their not defending this suit, was further proof that it WAS harmless. But of course, a Rule was broken and a huge public fuss erupted. There were no "plaster wraps" no "bricks" no "concrete pads" nothing except a used strip of gauze. Only Capetillo knows the reason why. I suspect, for want of a better explanation, that he was trying some superstitious nonsense to assure a Margarito win because Margarito came into camp weighing over 190 lbs, and was in bad shape for that fight. Also that Capetillo, when it was exposed, was too embarrassed to speak out the real reason. He's not an American who glorys in "telling all"... but a Mexican with a lot of pride and personal self esteem, would rather die than expose himself as a fool.. I get fed up having to repeat all this time after time but there are so many idiots out there who can read, but see only what they want to, that it's neccessary. Why don't they look at the official legal reports as I did, and follow up each story, and discard what is not logical.Can you provide links to the official reports? Or maybe some articles with some of this info?

Actually Margaritos lawyers at the hearing asked the commissioner if Margarito had a look of guilt ie how he reacted at the time and the commissioner said no.Margaritos one year suspension if memory serves me correctly was that a member of his team acted inappropriately (Capetillio) and since it his team Margarito was at fault NV is wrong, and you are right. AND..the Commission report (all of which which I read including the appeal) stated that Margarito was unaware, but, "as head of the team you are responsible". They were all agreed that he was innocent, and some wanted to exonerate him completely. But because he was the head of the team, according to their Rules he had to be penalised. So they specifically stated that they gave him the lightest penalty allowed under their Rules. NV is one of those convinced-against-overwhelming-evidence guys. He'll never see the light. What also came out at the hearing was that the great Sherlock Richardson was actually there when the first bandage was wrapped, as were 4 Commissioners. So the story that he was late getting there, and wanted to see the wrapping done again etc.etc was another fable. During the wrapping of the second hand , Richardson (seemingly wanting to throw a spanner into the works, like he did in the Trinidad fiasco, to upset the fighter) asked that the wrappings be examined. He asked for the pad to be opened. The pad was made of NEW gauze as is laid down in the rules. In the centre they found a single strip of used gauze. The Commissioner who first handled it said that "it seemed a little stiffer in places, as if it had been in water". The lab found "traces" of "2 elements used in plaster-of-paris" but not the 3rd neccessary ingredient, and NO QUANTITY, only traces. The lab also said that these same elements are found frequently in cosmetics. One report actually said it was a touch of hand cream. So the damned pad was actually HARMLESS, and as Arum immediately issued a suit against the Commission requiring them to show that it could be harmful in any way to human beings, their not defending this suit, was further proof that it WAS harmless. But of course, a Rule was broken and a huge public fuss erupted. There were no "plaster wraps" no "bricks" no "concrete pads" nothing except a used strip of gauze. Only Capetillo knows the reason why. I suspect, for want of a better explanation, that he was trying some superstitious nonsense to assure a Margarito win because Margarito came into camp weighing over 190 lbs, and was in bad shape for that fight. Also that Capetillo, when it was exposed, was too embarrassed to speak out the real reason. He's not an American who glorys in "telling all"... but a Mexican with a lot of pride and personal self esteem, would rather die than expose himself as a fool.. I get fed up having to repeat all this time after time but there are so many idiots out there who can read, but see only what they want to, that it's neccessary. Why don't they look at the official legal reports as I did, and follow up each story, and discard what is not logical.

With the plaster incident and the rematch being 8 rounds to 1 there is no doubt that first win was dirty. Do you guys view cotto as only having one leigt loss now which was to pacquiao. Even though I still cant put him in top ten but a win over chavez jr would make him ten in my eyes. I believe Margarito cheated in the 1st cotto fight as well and likely did fights previous to that.

With the plaster incident and the rematch being 8 rounds to 1 there is no doubt that first win was dirty. Do you guys view cotto as only having one leigt loss now which was to pacquiao. Even though I still cant put him in top ten but a win over chavez jr would make him ten in my eyes. NO, I don't believe that Margarito ever used plaster. The Commission enquiry, official decision, and the Lab reports clearly showed that.

I dont. I belive if cotto fought exactly like he did the first fight he would have lost the second as well