Lets say freddie roach does have floyd's number

The only number that matters is 147 , with No CW Freddie dont have a number to be had !!

yes floyd fought marquez , BUT when floyd fought marquez it was his first time ever fighting above 140 !!!!!!! and even you would have to admitt maruez wasnt in as tremendous shape as he was in him fight with manny !!!!! face it manny fought a better version of marquez than floyd did !!!!!! if manny fought the same version of marquez floyd had the luxuary of fighting trust and believe manny would have knocked him out !!!! as it stands right now floyd is at a disadvantage with his lack of expiriance against ATG's and manny will use it against him you sir, are by far the poster i have seen with the very least amount of boxing knowledge. shame on you.

I don't think it would aggravate PBF. If you really watch his fights and how he fights feeling out the fighters the first 3-4 rounds he is usually down a round or 2 Judah fight for example. Its just that once he figures out what the opponent is doing and what he needs to do he sweeps all the rounds. Tredh is right. Floyd usually starts out slow and gains momentum as he starts to understand his foe.

First thing to note about NSB, do NOT make any threads like this about Floyd or Pac. You will be attacked by their hardcore fans who believe they are God. People seem to forget that in Boxing, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. So as extreme as it may seem, it's definitely not impossible. That being said, one of Mayweather's best traits is that he has the ability to adjust and change his game up. I'm sure if that was the case, Floyd would change gears and go on the offensive.

What a ridiculous question. Even if such an impossible scenario like that occurred, Floyd would adjust and overcome in no time. He wouldn't even need a corner. Floyd is a wizard in the ring, he isn't your average fighter, He would run circles around Manny physically and mentally.

floyd has the tendency to be gun-shy at some point. how so? Looking for an opportunity to throw a punch and not throwing it when you should isn't considered gun shy bro. Is anyone landing when he's gun shy? nope!

true. But I think what it all comes down to is Flyod can adjust mid fight Pac just runs the same gameplan as he trained for. When he get's flustered all his fundamentals go out the window! historical fact! Shane mosley fights the same as pac mentally he trains ones way when **** get's crazy he does the same stuff over and over again! True. Similar to what Roach said about Hatton before he fought Pac. All the talk regarding Hatton was that he was changed & was going to use his boxing skills when he fights Pac. But Roach said as soon as he gets tagged; he'll revert to type. I suppose that's what we've seen with Pac. We haven't seen him make adjustments during a fight, which is one thing in Floyd's favour.

For many to he better have a Plan A-Z because adjusting is Floyd's BEST quality. If Floyd feels he is loosing trust me he will change what he is doing and adjust so he is landing the cleaner shots.

poor Frauddy Roach...STILL can't find that Mayweather game plan/blueprint!! http://i51.tinypic.com/11mahyc.jpg

So the gameplan to beat Mayweather is to ensure that he is down 2-4 rounds. Sh*t, I should be a boxing coach.

One of Floyd's greatest assets is the ability to adapt and overcome during the fight. Manny has to be very smart, pressure alone will not win against Floyd, he also needs to adapt and overcome. Manny runs a one game plan the only variation is in his punches. If floyd makes it a hopkins fight inside manny is S.O.L. Variation is on the side of Floyd any way the fight goes he has been there when things change on manny he get's confused and falls back on his shield his left hand.

i think the tc asked a very feasible question. i dont personally think it'll get that far, but if it did, Mak gave the right answer. anyone who knows floyd, knows this. true but just like life history at times has a chance to repeat itself. Hatton when he get's tired lunges. De La always tires late in fights. Shane trains like he has two gears only has one. Tito and punch but can't box. when Manny get's frustrated he lunges with his left also he can't fight off the back foot. Roach always talks about Habits habits habit taking advantage of habits... well what is floyds habit? He pot shots doesn't open up, when he get's caught he shells up adjusts finds a way to win. Manny when he get's caught he get's desperate and lunges. Floyd will bring the fight to Pac tests him. If he passes then he will box 'em. if he doesn't manny has no defense fighting off the back foot.

One of Floyd's greatest assets is the ability to adapt and overcome during the fight. Manny has to be very smart, pressure alone will not win against Floyd, he also needs to adapt and overcome.

and yes, floyd is very cool. the angriest ive seen him is in the ortiz fight. he really wanted to hurt ortiz after that head shot. and i think that was justified. also, the blows that mosely landed to wobble him made him pretty mean too. the way he beat mosely after that was very telling. floyd doesnt like getting hit. when he does, he really has a mean streak. look at some of his vulnerable fights ala corley, judah and esp his fight against emmanuel burton/augustus.

i think the tc asked a very feasible question. i dont personally think it'll get that far, but if it did, Mak gave the right answer. anyone who knows floyd, knows this.

You just said Manny has been in the ring with ATG marquez; then you say Floyd isn't battle tested against any ATG like Pac & the closet he came was the likes of Brusseles, Baldomire & Zab. Didn't Floyd fight Marquez? Or did I just make up a whole 24/7 & 12 round fight in my head? You really defy the laws of stupidity treason. To be honest who knows. I mean Roach it's another "chance" Roach has to come up with a game plan & Roach is a very smart trainer. He might just be able to come up with the game plan & if he does & Floyd is legitimately down in the first 3/4 rounds; who knows how he reacts. If he's down I think Floyd goes on the attack & begins to take some risks. This could obviously leave him open to a Pac counter. But I think if Floyd looks to trade with Pac, it could see Pac divert from any game plan that Roach has given for him because of that macho/warrior pride in Pac. I don't think it will aggravate him though. Floyd is one of the coolest customers in boxing & rarely loses his cool in the ring. I believe he'll just do his thing but become a bit more aggressive (ala Mosley, Ortiz). true. But I think what it all comes down to is Flyod can adjust mid fight Pac just runs the same gameplan as he trained for. When he get's flustered all his fundamentals go out the window! historical fact! Shane mosley fights the same as pac mentally he trains ones way when **** get's crazy he does the same stuff over and over again!

And he's had the perfect gameplan to beat floyd all along. Pac executes to perfection and for the first time in a loooong time floyd enters the fight knowing he's down 2-4 rds. Exactly what adjustments does floyd make?? Does knowing he's down on the cards and unable to coast aggravate him??? he doesn't.. pactards love fantasy

then floyd will change his number, and its back to square one for freddie and manny, then what?

I think once pac lands his first good punch, Floyd wont be able to adjust. Really. What's the historical basis on your opinion? Floyd has been caought by big punchers before. Manny has never fought someone who is as quick as floyd. How will manny adjust to someone who has speed an power. we all see how well he did with Marquez......................................

manny has been in the ring with great ATG like marquez , barerra , and morales !!!!! and thanks to freddys game plan he has beaten them all !!!! i dont think freedies gameplan and expertise should be called into question !!!! i just came home from training with a few old timers and they think it is roger and floyds gameplan that would need to be questioned , because they are not battle tested against ATG fighers like pac and freddy are !!!!! the closest to they came too is the likes of brusseles , baldomire and zab judah !!!!!! think of it like this one baskettball player plays aginst jv players and in undefeated , and you put him in a game against someone that played against division 1 competetion that lost 2 times and has been in wars the others !!!!! who do you think will be more prepared if they were to go head to head !!!!!!!!!!!!! You just said Manny has been in the ring with ATG marquez; then you say Floyd isn't battle tested against any ATG like Pac & the closet he came was the likes of Brusseles, Baldomire & Zab. Didn't Floyd fight Marquez? Or did I just make up a whole 24/7 & 12 round fight in my head? You really defy the laws of stupidity treason. For **** sake flomos. Howcome you all know how to play the hypothetical scenario game when it comes to any other fighter??? Y'all came up with some crazy hypothetical **** that was never gonna happen to build up ortiz and y'all played along with in depth analysis but when it comes to pac all of a sudden you can only deal in absolutes??? "freddie roach cant, wont, doesnt have the perfect gameplan" contributes absolutely nothing to a hypothetical thread intended to actually give props to floyd by highlighting his a ability to adjust on the fly. To be honest who knows. I mean Roach it's another "chance" Roach has to come up with a game plan & Roach is a very smart trainer. He might just be able to come up with the game plan & if he does & Floyd is legitimately down in the first 3/4 rounds; who knows how he reacts. If he's down I think Floyd goes on the attack & begins to take some risks. This could obviously leave him open to a Pac counter. But I think if Floyd looks to trade with Pac, it could see Pac divert from any game plan that Roach has given for him because of that macho/warrior pride in Pac. I don't think it will aggravate him though. Floyd is one of the coolest customers in boxing & rarely loses his cool in the ring. I believe he'll just do his thing but become a bit more aggressive (ala Mosley, Ortiz).