Oscar - @KevinI one simple question Kevin. I love your very very positive articles on the UFC. Can boxing ever be that positive? And how Hahaha bob arum is saying there are a bunch of investors he's talking to try and make PAC vs mayweather. I can't stop laughing.
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya You'll never learn. Hopeless (he says, shaking his head).
Oscar - @KevinI I'm sick and tired of this guy not wanting to make good fights happen with us.
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya Do you think this is going to help? Seriously? You can't really be this naive, can you?
Oscar - @KevinI please bob is senile and stubborn and doesn't want these fights to happen.
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya I think both sides are. This isn't one or the other. It's both of you. But I give up. You're screwing up your own business.
Oscar - I talk about it so I can expose this guy to the fans who are demanding this fight. But it's ok for him to lie behind the press?
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya Do you seriously think making these juvenile comments is going to make Bob say, I'll call Richard so Oscar stops? Come on!
Oscar - @KevinI please you probably always here his side of the story because you live in Vegas. What u dont know is Richard called him 2 months ago and no response from bob till this day.
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya And when you have a chance to do something to make good fights, you give us Broner, Canelo & Russell versus total stiffs. Oscar, didn't I send you my number today so you could call me to tell me your side? Which you didn't do. I have criticized Bob very strongly in the past for his failures to get this done. But where's the urgency now?
Oscar - @KevinI my side never matters because like everyone els you are scared of bob.
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya We all want to see the great fights. I agree with you. The question is how to do it and one answer is certain: Not on Twitter
Oscar - Don't you think we want to match gamboa vs bronner Or rios vs soto or khan vs Bradley or PAC vs mayweather etc etc please.
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya Be a man of your word. You want a great fight: Canelo vs Kirkland. You have both guys. You don't need Bob. Do it.
Oscar - Bottom line is mayweather wants Pacquiao what's the hold up? Bob
The difference was that Hagler/Hearns, Leonard/Hearns, Hagler/Leonard, Duran/Leonard all were in-house Top Rank fights.
damn i just realized that
so don king wasn't involved in those fights?
True, but I think the envirnment changes when we are talking about a fight of this magnitude. This fight is boxing history in the making. Like the war between the 4 kings in the 80s. It has to happen or it hurts the sport as a wholeThe difference was that Hagler/Hearns, Leonard/Hearns, Hagler/Leonard, Duran/Leonard all were in-house Top Rank fights.
they are both right. . . but notice how DLH didn't have a response to "make the canelo/kirkland" fight?
look, ALL PROMOTORS are exactly the same .. . . they WILL make the best fights, but only when they feel the time is right to maximize profit off one fighter. . .
i mean, come on, it's not like arum hasn't put on MANY, MANY excellent fights. . .
but im not condoning his actions either. . . but all promotors keep in-house if they can, and "guide" their fighters and milk them as much as possible.
True, but I think the envirnment changes when we are talking about a fight of this magnitude. This fight is boxing history in the making. Like the war between the 4 kings in the 80s. It has to happen or it hurts the sport as a whole
Mayweather-Pacquiao is perhaps the most significant fight to be made this generation. Iole is way too quick to dismiss Arum's reluctance to sit down at the negotiation table (while bsing to the media), and really deflecting/down play its significance by comparing it to Alvarez-Kirkland.
its interesting though. Arum runs his mouth and lies everyday and no one checks him. Oscar gets on twitter and calls him out and Iole throws on the full court press and starts digging in on him for things outside of what he is talking about.Why is Iole so bothered by OScar making this public he really shouldn't care either way.He threw defense up "like how dare you talk about Arum like this.Calling out his obvious lies you should know better"
that convo reads like oscar vs. a top rank employee. deflection and all
no offense but hardly or just just how about NO.. read the whole first post and you will see Oscar asked Kevin to start it all off, and then some
its interesting though. Arum runs his mouth and lies everyday and no one checks him. Oscar gets on twitter and calls him out and Iole throws on the full court press and starts digging in on him for things outside of what he is talking about.Why is Iole so bothered by OScar making this public he really shouldn't care either way.He threw defense up "like how dare you talk about Arum like this.Calling out his obvious lies you should know better"
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya I think both sides are. This isn't one or the other. It's both of you. But I give up. You're screwing up your own business.
Oscar - I talk about it so I can expose this guy to the fans who are demanding this fight. But it's ok for him to lie behind the press?
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya Do you seriously think making these juvenile comments is going to make Bob say, I'll call Richard so Oscar stops? Come on!
Kevin - @OscarDeLaHoya And when you have a chance to do something to make good fights, you give us Broner, Canelo & Russell versus total stiffs. Oscar, didn't I send you my number today so you could call me to tell me your side? Which you didn't do. I have criticized Bob very strongly in the past for his failures to get this done. But where's the urgency now?
that convo reads like oscar vs. a top rank employee. deflection and all
2) Oscar doesn't represent floyd so why would Bob care what him or schaefer have to say? He can go fukk off
How do you know Oscar isn't in business with Floyd, because Arum told you? Would you believe Oscar if he said Arum isn't representing Pacquiao for this fight?
i dont recall fishnets saying he cant get a hold of arum in this convo. he said 2 months ago arum doesnt respond. what about now when Pac and Floyd clearly wanted each other??
He implies it, as he's been doing in recent weeks. You've gotta read between the lines.
1) Next thing you know Oscar is gonna blame Arum for getting fukked in the ass literally
2) Oscar doesn't represent floyd so why would Bob care what him or schaefer have to say? He can go fukk off
I get you because I see Iole's point, but it seems like fishnet is trying to tell us that they CAN'T get Arum on the phone and get down to business.
i dont recall fishnets saying he cant get a hold of arum in this convo. he said 2 months ago arum doesnt respond. what about now when Pac and Floyd clearly wanted each other??
Id have to go with Kevin on this one.
Instead of *****ing and whining on twitter, get on the damn phone and start calling.
I get you because I see Iole's point, but it seems like fishnet is trying to tell us that they CAN'T get Arum on the phone and get down to business.
What group of people own the media and does Bob belong to that group ?
I can't give you the answer but all it takes is a little google search to find out. People talking this unpro **** are begging to stay sheep, this is what happens when real people try to expose the truth to the sheep, they turn it down as unpro...smh
Jewish people. It is what it is man. It's sad that so many people just WANT and will themselves to be sheep.
Like, self proclaimed real boxing fans will truly get on a messageboard with "look, I told you Floyd is a coward- Skip Bayless says so!!"
It's pathetic.
Oscar is my fave fighter ever, but as a promoter he is unprofessional as hell.
Yes, and I see Iole's point but this exchange is pretty revealing. I mean, I called the bulll**** for what it was 2 yeas ago while everyone was still on the Pacwagon. But, like Oscar alluded to, Bob is a very powerful man who feeds a media that's largely scared to call him on his crap. Have you ever read or seen an interview with Bob where tough questions, or follow up questions were asked?
He OWNED him with the Canelo-Kirkland fight. We hate Arum but all the promoters are the same, Oscar is no different and if GB ever goes to the top they will do the same as TR is doing now.
Why? Because boxing and its fans are cruel, you lose a fight and you are never looked at as the same fighter ever again, you lose and you're a bum. So all promoters are trying to protect all the money they invest in their boxers and trying to keep that BIG 0 in the L column of their fighter.
TRUTH. we could learn a thing or two frmo MMA. look at all of their popular and great fighters. multiple losses. Dana White knows how to run a business. He matches anyone against everyone. the only arum like move he did was with lesnar who became world champ after 3-4 fights lol.