Is it time for Pac to switch it up? New trainer?

And to answer the thread question. Nah, don't dump Roach. Although, I think they need to get rid of some of their tactics, it's been proven over 36 rounds that some of the moves Roach has planned simply doesn't work. for example: The foundation of their plan on how to fight Dinamita was to counter the counter-puncher. I think this is their biggest mistake. It's no different than the old boxing saying, "never hook w/ a hooker". Atleast, the way they wanted to carry it out was all wrong. They wanted PAC to lead a lil bit to draw Dinamita's lead out. The problem is, once they're able to draw JMM's lead out, PAC would step back too much and he ends up being out of range and the countering the counter-puncher is no longer available. Instead, what they should do, once they are able to make the counter-puncher lead, he should stay in the pocket and unleash, get into as much exchanges as he can, there's more risk involved, but, we all heard Nacho last night, he kept advising JMM not to trade, but if PAC never backed off as much as he did, it would've forced JMM to trade, and we all know PAC is more likely to come out winning those clashes Specific counters: nullify Dinamita's counter lead right by sidestepping to the left and coming back w/ a left. I have never seen this particular move be effective at all, PAC tried it in all three fights and not once has it been executed cleanly. on paper it seems simple, but, the angle and the time it takes to execute it takes too long, imo. PAC should've jabbed more often and doubled up on it. Hardly any head movement last night. It seemed he was thinking too much on not getting caught rather than just letting the fight flow. Very nice post brother. I feel if Manny jabbed more, he would have been more open to Juan's right hand- which was getting through. I agree Manny was thinking too much.

Won't make a difference. Pacquiao will only look worse. And if he fought Mayweather next. It'd just be used as a scapegoat. Even though it wouldn't matter if he had Freddie with him either.

And to answer the thread question. Nah, don't dump Roach. Although, I think they need to get rid of some of their tactics, it's been proven over 36 rounds that some of the moves Roach has planned simply doesn't work. for example: The foundation of their plan on how to fight Dinamita was to counter the counter-puncher. I think this is their biggest mistake. It's no different than the old boxing saying, "never hook w/ a hooker". Atleast, the way they wanted to carry it out was all wrong. They wanted PAC to lead a lil bit to draw Dinamita's lead out. The problem is, once they're able to draw JMM's lead out, PAC would step back too much and he ends up being out of range and the countering the counter-puncher is no longer available. Instead, what they should do, once they are able to make the counter-puncher lead, he should stay in the pocket and unleash, get into as much exchanges as he can, there's more risk involved, but, we all heard Nacho last night, he kept advising JMM not to trade, but if PAC never backed off as much as he did, it would've forced JMM to trade, and we all know PAC is more likely to come out winning those clashes Specific counters: nullify Dinamita's counter lead right by sidestepping to the left and coming back w/ a left. I have never seen this particular move be effective at all, PAC tried it in all three fights and not once has it been executed cleanly. on paper it seems simple, but, the angle and the time it takes to execute it takes too long, imo. PAC should've jabbed more often and doubled up on it. Hardly any head movement last night. It seemed he was thinking too much on not getting caught rather than just letting the fight flow.

but but but... i thought pac was evolved... Roach had done such an awesome job transforming him from the 2008 Pac to the 2009 Pac who was the goat together with SRR.

Not saying he is shot but he is clearly not the same fighter, and I aint saying this cus he lost, I am saying this because he has now become so ****ing predictable, when he throws that right hook he telegraphs that, his elbow raises up just before he fires it, you can see that **** all day. in addition you can see that Manny sees the opening well last night, but doesnt pull the trigger, and to add more to it, he looked extremely glove shy and was not as willing to engage as we normally see him. Your right, I say the Margarito fight took alot out of Pac. All those head shots from a much bigger guy has had an effect on Pac's accuracy and reflexes. You could see it in the Mosley fight where pac would throw a combo while Shane was on the ropes and graze Mosley's head instead of nailing him on the chin like in the Cotto fight. Pac was often first to the punch but because his accuracy has gone out the window JMM was able to connect much cleaner every time. Pac looks like damaged goods and just like every fighter who gets older, they get more n more gun shy. There were so many instances where Manny just stood there with his hands up n let JMM launch off a combo when in his younger days he would of thrown a few of his own in there at the same time. And when i say younger days I mean fight wise not age wise.

No... he needs new drugs. I think the old ones are starting to wear off Oh btw im filipino and i do believe 100% Marquez won the fight by landing more clean, solid and crunchier punches than pacroid. Sige bigyan nyo ako ng manga insults wala akong pake elam! Marquez won! Pagod na ako sa mg mayayabang na pilipino. oh ano ka ngayon?! lol stupid ass nuthuggers And theres my proof that im filipino (who believes marquez owned pac) just in case some uneducated kid tries to say "Oh you dont like pacquiao?! you must be >

Floyd Sr. was actually one of the considered trainers for Manny while Roach was training De la Hoya against Jr. True story.

Not saying he is shot but he is clearly not the same fighter, and I aint saying this cus he lost, I am saying this because he has now become so ****ing predictable, when he throws that right hook he telegraphs that, his elbow raises up just before he fires it, you can see that **** all day. in addition you can see that Manny sees the opening well last night, but doesnt pull the trigger, and to add more to it, he looked extremely glove shy and was not as willing to engage as we normally see him.The irony of it all. Prior to last night, the whole reason many of us(even Dinamita fans) thought that PAC was gonna win so easily was because it was JMM that was faded, much older and not used to fighting above 140lbs. Yes, Dumbquiao is somewhat past his prime, but, Dinamita is even more faded. I mean, did you see how slow he was. Yet, it was the 38 year old, scar-tissues and all, who was able to unleash combos throughout the fight. I think last night had to do more with Dumbquiao's ring IQ being not so great, rather than him being past prime. PAC did admit that Dinamita hurt him several times in the fight, and that's why I think he was tentative and the it really didn't help that he kept allowing himself to get caught by moving in the wrong direction, again, that's not being past prime, that's just being incompetent on his part.

No clue at all, tried to have Manny box a boxer. That's plain crazy or delusional on Freddy's part. I'm assuming its Freddy who has instructed him to box like that, as like I've said in a couple of posts already, Pac is not a boxer, he is a fighter and should be allowed to fight in his natural manner... quick flurries, overwhelming opponents and coming at angles, that's it..Then let the chips lay where they fall. If Freddy doesn't get it, then Pac needs to change trainers obviously.

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He is not shot.. boy has just not faced an elite fighter since Marquez 2 and the fighters he did fight were tailor made for him. Not saying he is shot but he is clearly not the same fighter, and I aint saying this cus he lost, I am saying this because he has now become so ****ing predictable, when he throws that right hook he telegraphs that, his elbow raises up just before he fires it, you can see that **** all day. in addition you can see that Manny sees the opening well last night, but doesnt pull the trigger, and to add more to it, he looked extremely glove shy and was not as willing to engage as we normally see him.

OR...maybe Manny has been a tad overrated, faced tailor-made opposition, and looks clueless against a skilled counter puncher like JMM. Just like in 04 and in 08. That's why he hasn't faced any outside of Marquez. And that's why Bob Arum will never put him in with Mayweather. I wont stoop down that far to take a cheap shot at Pacquiao everything he has gained he has done so rightfully for a little guy. The whole he is over hyped statement well let me put it to you this way, usually when Manny fights he beats people up, regardless of weather or not a fighter is drained or not he goes out there and beats them up, that creates hype no matter what. However I am saying that I just think its time for him to consider retirement I think he has been through enough tough fights and he should take it for what its worth and go full time into politics. Arum is not the only person to blame for the May Pac fight not happening Floyd has a bit of a role here as well.

Maybe Marquez should be his trainer? He sure did teach pac a lesson the other day

Tad bit retarded thread, but thumbs up for the effort.

he just came off a win why would he switch trainers !!!!! http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1236682025_slow_motion_slap.gif

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Im not talking about developing Pacquiao as a fighter. Its too late for that. Im talking about game plan wise. I really don't think a trainer can teach you how to deal with a counter puncher. It is something the fighter has to figure out.

No I think Roach and Pac are a perfect match, what I see and keep this in mind, a fighters prime is short, I mean its very short one day we have this new mega star the next he is gone, look how long ago it was when he fought and beat Barrera in their first fight..... I think we are seeing the inevitable here, Last night Manny looked sloppy, looked glove shy, looked like he just couldnt get his timing, and in spots just couldnt pull the trigger quick enough... I think what we are seeing is the Manny Pacquiao reign comming to a close he has been in the spotlight for about a decade now I think its comming to an end here... Sad because we should have gotten the May Pac fight two years ago, right now the way Floyd takes care of himself and not fighting as often he is the lesser damaged/faded of the two the fight almost makes no sense now OR...maybe Manny has been a tad overrated, faced tailor-made opposition, and looks clueless against a skilled counter puncher like JMM. Just like in 04 and in 08. That's why he hasn't faced any outside of Marquez. And that's why Bob Arum will never put him in with Mayweather.

Im not talking about developing Pacquiao as a fighter. Its too late for that. Im talking about game plan wise.

It's time for Top Rank to find a new star, pacquiao is fading. BTW LMFAO @ people who said "Pacquiao hasn't reached his prime"