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Please give reasons
I consider Benn, Graham, Froch and Eubank as top fighters
By Frauds I mean over protected hypejobs: Ottke, Harrison, David Haye
EDIT:
So far I'm planning to check out:
Ken Buchanan
Max Schemling
Nino Benvenuti
Any votes for Barry McGuigan?
Glenn Johnson was well past it, Taylor is well known to gas in the late rounds and made his name from beating a well past-it Hopkins, Pascal is a Canafraud, and everyone not a retard knows Dirrell beat Croch.
PoetI scored the fight for Dirrell, albeit marginally. I know a lot of people who did. But most of those people tend to admit that it was a close fight, and think Dirrell won by at most one or two rounds. So Froch was hardly exposed in that fight, win or lose.
Glenn Johnson is past his best, but still a good opponent. Outside of the very top guys (Hopkins, Dawson, Ward, perhaps Bute) he'll give anybody at 175 or 168 a tough night (read: Tavoris Cloud) and Froch beat him handily.
Taylor's propensity to gas late on doesn't render a victory over him entirety meaningless. And I'd dispute your claim that Hopkins was well past it at the time of their fights. Anything Hopkins has lost in terms of athleticism over the course of his career (and he was never a particularly athletic fighter, at any rate) he's made up for in guile and ring savvy.
Pascal is similar to Froch in that in many ways he's a limited fighter, but let's not ignore that after losing to Froch he went to beat an excellent fighter in Chad Dawson. He also presented significant problems to Hopkins in their first fight, at least early on. So, another decent win for Froch.
Add Kessler and Abraham to the list and it's clear that Froch's level of opposition has been very solid.
Yeah, that's a real murderer's row there Chief.
PoetIt's arguably the toughest run of opponents any active fighter has faced back to back over the last few years. I can pick apart any other fighter's resume the way you have done, where they've fought fighters coming off losses, not at their natural weight, having been previously stopped, et al. The point is that Froch has consistently fought (and generally beaten) the top guys in his division, which isn't an easy thing to do regardless of any shortcomings they may have. Eurofrauds are guys with padded (usually undefeated) records who get badly exposed the minute they step up from European to world level. You know, unlike Froch.
Glenn Johnson was well past it, Taylor is well known to gas in the late rounds and made his name from beating a well past-it Hopkins, Pascal is a Canafraud, and everyone not a retard knows Dirrell beat Croch. Yeah, that's a real murderer's row there Chief.
Poet
Never knew in America they think boxing is running away and falling down.
Past it Glenn Johson still better all but one American SMs
Taylor beat Hopkins who aftwards had the best wins of his career.
And Pascal beat not so bad Chad.
Johnson, Dirrell, Taylor and Pascal aren't Eurofrauds, obviously.
He doesn't deserve credit for beating Johnson, he didn't deserve to win against Dirrell and Taylor and Pascal were both highly overrated.
This euro fraud thing is implying America doesn't produce its fair share of frauds doesn't it? Hmmm
Okay I will start with Benn, Eubank, Lennox (if he counts), Naz, Calzaghe (yes! maybe protected but not a fraud), Froch, Khan, Hatton.
Calzaghe beat Eubanks from pillar to post so you canlt rate him and Benn and still moan about Calzaghe. And Lol at any of those guys being ahead of the Klits who would beat the **** out of 99.9 percent of Amerikkkan Hw in history. The hw division today is no weaker than the 90's and only emasculated amerikkkans think different!!!!
Wlad
Vitali
Froch
Khan
Calzaghe
Hatton
Hamed
Lennox
Benn
Eubank
Schmeling
Benvenuti
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Freddie Welsh
Randy Turpin
Ingemar Johansson
Bob Fitzsimmons
Battling Nelson
Honeyghan
Buchanan
Georges Carpentier
Jimmy Wilde
Jim Driscoll
Kessler
Adamek
In fact, I've seen rorts from Italy to Manchester to Germany and France in my time watching boxing, just look at that robbery that happened to Danny Green against Beyer,,, Beyer, there's a fraud for you right there.Speaking of frauds... Danny Green.
Farl Croch is the poster boy for active Eurofrauds.Nonsense. You can argue that his skill set is limited, but he's clearly not a "fraud". Frauds get found out fairly quickly competing against the level of opposition he's recently competed against, not win the majority of those fights.
To conclude this, there were more frauds in USA than Europe.:wave: At least OUR frauds never cheated to win. Never used illegal means.
That's a little bit broad there, Where there is money to had >>>>>>,..... I would love to say that Australia is perfect and never produced any corruption and none of us has ever cheated,...... but I'd be wrong, just look at my current Prime minister............. I'm sure that there have been and will be again frauds in Europe too...... In fact, I've seen rorts from Italy to Manchester to Germany and France in my time watching boxing, just look at that robbery that happened to Danny Green against Beyer,,, Beyer, there's a fraud for you right there.
Fine, use that angle to make you feel better.:rolleyes: But the truth is, everything is less controlled over there than here. One can get away with more in US than Europe, since there is also more corruption. There may be SOME corruption some places like Germany or UK, but compared to USA corruption its nothing.
It's just a simple fact. Whether it makes me feel better or not is totally irrelevant. But let me make it easier for you to understand. The bigger something is the more chance of it being infected at some level. If you randomly pick out 10 apples and put them in a basket and than randomly pick 100 more apples for a different basket, which is more likely to have 5 bad apples in it? It's not rocket science, my man.
The United States has produced far more champions than any other country. And dirty fighters and cheats come from everywhere. If the US has had more its because we've produced more fighters.
Fine, use that angle to make you feel better.:rolleyes: But the truth is, everything is less controlled over there than here. One can get away with more in US than Europe, since there is also more corruption. There may be SOME corruption some places like Germany or UK, but compared to USA corruption its nothing.
Go back and read your posts. My comment was appropriate.
Of course it was, since you are AMERICAN and probably also black...so that gives you the right to thrashtalk.