With A Different Trainer, Haye Beats Wlad

ummmmm....no Why not? David Haye took Wlad's hardest shots and had good defense. A great trainer just tweaks his arsenal and Haye gets the victory next time.

I saw things Haye could've done BEFORE they even fought...but I KNEW he couldn't fight the fight needed...its not in his DNA to do the things thats called for to be beat Wlad....I think a new trainer could help but he would need mad time to erase the mental databank that Booth has installed in Haye imo

What? You mean, the Dark Lord, super strategist, Adam Booth, isn't the best trainer ever?!?!?!?!? Well I'll be damned.

Jesus would KO Haye in his corner for being such a f*aggot and flopping to the ground at every opportunity. http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/you%20mad/grand/oprah_you_mad_gif.gif&sa=X&ei=tsgpTp-iNcys0AHLv6zZCg&ved=0CAUQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFBRgX7Gbl_L9gqECvZUfrnqVdF1g 'Cause Wlad couldn't knock Haye out.

It isn't a style thing, it's a psychological thing. This. Booth isn't the problem here, it's Haye's reluctance to 'let go'.

David Haye could have Jesus ****ing Christ himself working his corner and the result would still be the same - Wlad getting the W Jesus would KO Haye in his corner for being such a f*aggot and flopping to the ground at every opportunity.

without a broken toe, haye beats wlad too......yeah right!....lol in his fukken dreams....

Haye under estimated the speed of Wlad's jab, Wlad looked just as fast as Haye in there and better conditioned. Though he's always had problems with stamina even since Cruiserweight.

David Haye could have Jesus ****ing Christ himself working his corner and the result would still be the same - Wlad getting the W

Except you don't expound on what you claim to have seen, but rather sit there pretending smugly to know something others don't over three crappy sentences which express only a very dubious opinion and nothing of weight to back it. Which means you didn't see anything and your thread is just a worthless, steaming pile of HORSESHIT. :lol1: What on Earth has compelled you to all this wanton Haye ball-licking over the past few months? I used to think there was a somewhat solid poster in there, so it's a shame to have to level this at you - but it's got to be the 'black thing', hasn't it? It can literally be nothing else, since there's nothing rational behind any of your statements and proclamations on the Klitschko-Haye affair. :lol1: Take your peering-smugly-over-your-shades 'cool' emote, shove it up your fat arse and fuck off. :wave: Holy shi t! MIB with a brutal KO to finish the thread. I noticed the same thing- MindBat's complete decline as an astute poster and the vigor with which he has entered the NSB fray of flimsy posts and amateur namecalling and gossip- and called him out in a thread about a month ago, but I didn't bring the sledgehammer with me.

he is, he's extremely one dimensional. certain types of fight fans are in love with him for some reason. they see skills that are nonexistent, or mirages Well he's athletic for a HW, decent power, fast hands, did a lot better job than I thought he'd do avoiding Wlad's jab. But besides Wlad, he's done a pretty good job of selecting his HW opponents and I'd definitely like to see him fight someone from this list before he gets a shot at Vitali, let alone a rematch with Wlad: Arreola, Helenius, Povetkin, Boytsov or even the lesser known Pulev, Mitchell, locally maybe the winner of Chisora/Fury or Price. Either way less talk of retiring and more opponents under 35 would be nice. Maybe he'll prove himself yet. haye v adamek at cw would have been great. I'd still like to see them at hw Yeah those two would be fine at HW, because they're close to the same size. They only seem to concentrate more on defense (run) when they're fighting someone a fair bit bigger. I'd favor Haye in that one, but it'd be a lot more exciting than any of his others at HW.

Is it just me or does Haye seem like a HW version of Pascal, albeit with more power? Fast hands and feet, but fairly one dimensional and a bit predictable. I enjoyed Haye and Adamek more at CW. he is, he's extremely one dimensional. certain types of fight fans are in love with him for some reason. they see skills that are nonexistent, or mirages haye v adamek at cw would have been great. I'd still like to see them at hw

I find it odd that i dont recall any similar threads after previous haye fights. Are you people saying haye somehow looked different that he has in past fight? Cuz i dont. That's how he fights. He's not gonna take the necessary risks to break down one of the klits. Seriously, you're fools to think that when haye has NEVER fought the way you have to to beat the klits. Wlad nullifys haye's only advantages. Everyone acts like haye is some virtuoso type boxer with otherworldly power. He's not, he's fast but he throws no combos, headhunts, doesnt set guys up, and just rushes in. Is it just me or does Haye seem like a HW version of Pascal, albeit with more power? Fast hands and feet, but fairly one dimensional and a bit predictable. Haye needed to grow a pair. The size of Wladimir frightened him. I enjoyed Haye and Adamek more at CW.

Ehh.....Now Wlad looked quicker and also smaller than usual but it was easy to tell that Haye had more hand speed. Now the issue is why was he intimidated from letting his hands go. It's not like Wlad looked invincible. Haye simply did too much thinking and too little fighting. If I was in his corner I would have simply said "Dont get hit for free" "If you're going to be out then be all the way out" He was able to dodge a lot of punches on quickness and had many chances to counter over Wlad. In the exchanged where they are both throwing, it's not easy to see haye is faster at all. I should create some gifs of the fight for those unwilling to rewatch a few rounds. Wlad matched hayes speed punch for punch.. and as I said, his speed was consistent and he kept it in the later rounds. So if you argue he wasn't faster than haye in the rounds 1-6. You at least have t oadmit he was faster in tounds 7-12. Haye is known for doing little cardio work. he has said many times he doesn't run too many miles, feels as though he doesn't need to. Thinks it's a 'myth' that all the road work is needed for a big tank. I think a bit more road work would help him a lot. Would pick his pace up as well.

Like I said, Haye could've done a lot better against Wlad. Even you can figure out what Haye did wrong or could've done better. Another top trainer could tweak his mindset and have him perform differently if Booth can't do it. One thing we do know is that Wlad couldn't knock Haye out as predicted. He lasted as long as he did due to his athleticism. All I'm saying is if he learned anything from the fight, he'll fix his mistakes and perhaps perform better in the rematch if it ever happens. Who says he can't perform better? That's what rematches are for, right? But what we're talking about is a wholesale change in Haye's style, mentality, and disposition as a fighter...a trainer does not change that in one fight. Plus you didn't say this prior to the fight, you predicted him based on his previous fights, which is THE SAME way he fought against Wlad? seems very reactionary

I think it was much more to do with Wlad's physical size and the length and quality of his jab.. For Haye to land 1 punch was hard.. to land 2 consecutively was almost impossible as Wlad would back up very quickly or hold I agree. People realise wlad is big but when they actually see him up close and feel how strong he is they wimper under the pressure. Wlads jab was sublime at the weekend. Even though he missed a fair few due to hayes head movement the sheer speed and amount he threw keep haye off balence and unable to mount any serious offence.

Haye has the skills, talent to beat him. I think most would agree with that. No doubt.....

Haye has the skills, talent to beat him. I think most would agree with that.

So you think another trainer will change haye's mentality? Or do you just wamt haye so badly to win that you're grasping for straws. Like I said, Haye could've done a lot better against Wlad. Even you can figure out what Haye did wrong or could've done better. Another top trainer could tweak his mindset and have him perform differently if Booth can't do it. One thing we do know is that Wlad couldn't knock Haye out as predicted. He lasted as long as he did due to his athleticism. All I'm saying is if he learned anything from the fight, he'll fix his mistakes and perhaps perform better in the rematch if it ever happens. Who says he can't perform better? That's what rematches are for, right?

He can have 3 of the best trainers with him and he's still not going to win, Wlad is just too big and skillful. You can't just rely on one right hand, it's not Haye's fault either he's a small HW. Every time he comes close Wlad has the ability to clinch him. A good bigger man will always beat a good smaller man.