Pacquiao picking on a smaller fighter in JMM.

Read the title of this thread Bias? NO. Just the facts. Tale of the tape on fight night. Paq 5'6", 148 lbs. JMM 5'6 1/2", 150 lbs. So where was Paq's size advantage? Busted. So what? Manny weighed more than Oscar on fight night, and yet his fans still claim he beat the bigger man :rolleyes: The title of this thread is what I was replying to.

So what? Manny weighed more than Oscar on fight night, and yet his fans still claim he beat the bigger man :rolleyes: I think that might have to do more with Oscar's height and reach advantage. Although JMM weighed more than Manny, his only other advantage was half an inch of height. They were the same size basically.

Bias? NO. Just the facts. Tale of the tape on fight night. Paq 5'6", 148 lbs. JMM 5'6 1/2", 150 lbs. So where was Paq's size advantage? Busted. So what? Manny weighed more than Oscar on fight night, and yet his fans still claim he beat the bigger man :rolleyes:

Paquiao wieghed less than 150 ON FIGHT NIGHT for all of the fights at 147, and for the fight at 154, he weighed in at 144.6 and was 148 on fight night. That is less than some fighters weigh on fight night for bouts at 140 and even 135. Floyd agreed to face JMM at 144, but never intended to be that light and came in at 146, he was probably 155 during the fight. Paquiao will make the agreed weight of 144 vs JMM, and will likely weigh about 147 on fight night. There will be less of a size difference between Paq and JMM than there was between Floyd and JMM. Paq and JMM will be very close to the same size in the ring, but in Floyds his size advantage over JMM was painfully obvious. Your argument is so weak as to pose no argument at all. Go back to sleep. Please show me the prove of this. Why don't you view this the same way the whole Pac is on drug accusations? There is no proof, so its not true...Right? Because it certainly would be crazy to think that a grown man, taking 2 years out of the ring, might have a problem making 3lbs under his normal fighting weight. Bias much? Bias? NO. Just the facts. Tale of the tape on fight night. Paq 5'6", 148 lbs. JMM 5'6 1/2", 150 lbs. So where was Paq's size advantage? Busted.

Yeah I know, I know...Sounds crazy right? Pacquiao has 4 fights at 147lbs (Welterweight) and one fight for a 154lbs Title. Now he wants to fight a Lightweight...OMG!!! There should be Crazy-hate for Pacquiao for this fight...RIGHT? Oh But wait....Floyd Mayweather also had only 4 fights at 147lbs (Welterweight) and one fight for a 154lbs Title when he chose to fight JMM (but his was for a tune-up after a 2 year Layoff)...Yet every Boxing Forum, Sports Forum, every sports-bar and gym was full of HATE for Floyd. Although they have yet to fight each other....even the Haters make it pretty-damn obvious who is the better fighter!!! http://nwbroweather.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Shaking_head.gif peoples issues on pac picking on old, small, or has-been fighters always fall short on the fact that pac foes were still rated highly when he fought them....back to which the sun continues to shine and the world revolves around it as pac waits for the great pbf to grow balls

Enough of your childish rants. Even a president of a country can`t satisfy everybody at the same time. However, the following childish rants has been satisfied: 1. He had fought bigger and younger fighters in Miguel Cotto and Clottey. 2. He had fought a sleek Afro-American, whom everyone said he was ducking. 3. He had defended and stayed in the welterweight division. 4. He will defend against JMM who has been crying for years, as you have. These things Pacman cannot do all at the same time, wait for your turn. Still to come: 1. Mayweather 2. Sergio Martinez for his 9th world title in a different class before he retires, ending up with a bang. People like you are either Flomos or remnants of defeated Oscar, Hatton, JMM, Morales, Barrera and Cotto fans. You don`t see a boxing genius when you see one, yet turn a blind eye to the fact that your Floyd fought a lightweight in JMM as a full welter (being a former LM champion himself). You are disgusting, add to the fact that you are either a cowardly ALT, or just a total noob, posting about things you really know nothing about. You are a fvcking knob-lmao! What slick fighter has Manny faced?????!!!! Mosely had a decent run a few years ago and called out Manny-Freddie and Manny flat out refused the fight until they watched Shane slip against substandard opposition in Sergio Mora-years after Shane called out Manny.That is a straight up b1tch move no matter how you want to try and spin it.To top this off,Shane was NEVER slick. Manny is a great fighter who has all the skills to do good things,but as of recent just refuses to fight real challenges.He is more of a business and career paver than Floyd these days.His best wins happened long ago.

You actually have it in reverse. Marquez is officially campaigning at ww and Pacman is officially defending his welterweight crown weight drained. It is actually a HANDICAPPED Pacman who is fighting a challenger JMM. And any problems regarding weight is JMM`s problem and his choice and undoing. And this is JMM`s choice and agreed upon weight, so I see no point in anyone crying except JMM, which he has mastered. And any complaints made are actually from Flomos, who troll on this fight and has nothing to do with the fight itself. As long as Manny has the advantages,it is ok,eh? You fanatics will justify anything Manny fights ,as long as he gets the win....You guys wanna say that Floyd should take risks fighting certain fighters,when Manny hasn't fought a live body for several fights without some catch or asterik....and you call yourselves boxing fans-smh Manny could make jww or even lw without draining himself...he has to gorge to make 144 pounds... Are you actually trying to lie and say that Marquez would prefer a welterweight fight as opposed to a lightweight or even a junior welter fight? ****ing pathetic from the "p4p champ".

Standard flomo response... Point is, Floyd gets hate for fighting Marquez because he cheated him on the scales and the agreement they made before the fight. He paid Marquez 600k to shut him up, can you understand that? That's why Floyd gets hate for the Marquez fight. All this are irrelevant to floyd fans, they are more focus on the "take the test" arguement.

Were you a fan of boxing back in 2009 when JMM Vs Floyd took place? Standard flomo response... Point is, Floyd gets hate for fighting Marquez because he cheated him on the scales and the agreement they made before the fight. He paid Marquez 600k to shut him up, can you understand that? That's why Floyd gets hate for the Marquez fight.

You had this coming, Floyd violated the weight agreed upon, and came into the fight, illegit. This was where the hate started in the first place. Were you a fan of boxing back in 2009 when JMM Vs Floyd took place?

Yes, I heard that a long time ago. The problem with that is, his answer isn't consistent. What was his answer again at the Mosley presser when asked if he would take the test and the whole world could see? "You have to believe me". "YES" seems much easier to say, doesn't it? Does that seem like he we was serious about agreeing? Thinking ahead is one thing, but having the fight almost set before even bothering to contact anyone about Mayweather(when you claim HE is the #1 option) is a little much, don't u think? How about the fact that Arum commented on it? Floyd doesn't call anyone. Maybe Al Haymon does, but, with Arum, they were screwed on the 1st negotiations and the way it looks now, weren't serious in the next so call "negotiation", so who should be making the calls? Seems to me Arum should, when they are serious about making the fight and doing the OSDT. Let's hope this is true. I am just tired of FMJ receiving the lion share of blame, being called coward and duck, when Pac is just as much if not more to blame about the fight not coming off. So you heard Manny say yes to taking the test. Great! Since then, I have never heard him change his mind and answer the question with a "NO" or "I changed my mind". If you have please let me know. Arum tried to negotiate during the 2nd negotiations and Floyd never responded. Arum set out a deadline. Everyone knew but Floyd never responded .... Even if it wasn't exactly the way Floyd wanted it, its called a negotiation. Arum makes an offer. Floyd could have countered with saying something he wanted BUT he never tried! .... then Floyd went on vacation and had his personal problems. So Arum said, "when Floyd is ready, Floyd can call me .. he has my number". As stated, Floyd found Ortiz's number but misplaced Arum's, I guess. So Arum couldn't have known for sure that Floyd was willing to back now. By the way, when I say "Floyd can call", that means someone from his side.

But since you say it's JMM own doing, then his fight with Floyd is LEGIT!! YOU SAID IT NOT ME!!! You had this coming, Floyd violated the weight agreed upon with JMM, and came into the fight, ILLEGIT. This was where the hate started in the first place.

You actually have it in reverse. Marquez is officially campaigning at ww and Pacman is officially defending his welterweight crown weight drained. It is actually a HANDICAPPED Pacman who is fighting a challenger JMM. And any problems regarding weight is JMM`s problem and his choice and undoing. And this is JMM`s choice and agreed upon weight, so I see no point in anyone crying except JMM, which he has mastered. And any complaints made are actually Flomos, who troll on this fight and has nothing to do with the fight itself. Im sure there are alot of Bantamweight's that would come up to 147 to fight Pacquiao also, but does that mean it's right??? No But since you say it's JMM own doing, then his fight with Floyd is LEGIT!! YOU SAID IT NOT ME!!! He wanted to fight Floyd, he had to come up to meet Floyd at 147 because he was the bigger star, just like he has to because of Manny.

I think it's more of him picking on a HANDICAPPED Marquez. He is know to be un-effective at 145-147, so why would you want to fight him not at his best??? You would want to fight him at a good weight for him, so there's no excuses. You actually have it in reverse. Marquez is officially campaigning at ww and Pacman is officially defending his welterweight crown weight drained. It is actually a HANDICAPPED Pacman who is fighting a challenger JMM. And any problems regarding weight is JMM`s problem and his choice and undoing. And this is JMM`s choice and agreed upon weight, so I see no point in anyone crying except JMM, which he has mastered. And any complaints made are actually from Flomos, who troll on this fight and has nothing to do with the fight itself.

I think it's more of him picking on a HANDICAPPED Marquez. He is know to be un-effective at 145-147, so why would you want to fight him not at his best??? You would want to fight him at a good weight for him, so there's no excuses.

The wording of this thread couldnt be further from the truth! Pac PICKING? It is JMM BEGGING for a fight with Pac, dont give me none of this Pac PICKED nonsense!!! JMM wearing t shirts with i beat him twice garbage. If that isnt JMM BEGGING for a fight i dont know what is? Please tell me if im missing something! It's called a brain. Manny,as even his promoter admits, ultimately picks the fights.He seems to call all the catchweights, past-it opponents,etc... He can choose young prime fighters,or shot and struggling opponents... before we say "He takes the fights that make business sense", maybe we should stop and consider that Manny's opponents don't sell the PPV, it is Manny himself that sells the fights.

2. He had fought a sleek Afro-American, whom everyone said he was ducking. This one made me chuckle.

Yeah I know, I know...Sounds crazy right? Pacquiao has 4 fights at 147lbs (Welterweight) and one fight for a 154lbs Title. Now he wants to fight a Lightweight...OMG!!! There should be Crazy-hate for Pacquiao for this fight...RIGHT? Oh But wait....Floyd Mayweather also had only 4 fights at 147lbs (Welterweight) and one fight for a 154lbs Title when he chose to fight JMM (but his was for a tune-up after a 2 year Layoff)...Yet every Boxing Forum, Sports Forum, every sports-bar and gym was full of HATE for Floyd. Although they have yet to fight each other....even the Haters make it pretty-damn obvious who is the better fighter!!! http://nwbroweather.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Shaking_head.gif Enough of your childish rants. Even a president of a country can`t satisfy everybody at the same time. However, the following childish rants has been satisfied: 1. He had fought bigger and younger fighters in Miguel Cotto and Clottey. 2. He had fought a sleek Afro-American, whom everyone said he was ducking. 3. He had defended and stayed in the welterweight division. 4. He will defend against JMM who has been crying for years, as you have. These things Pacman cannot do all at the same time, wait for your turn. Still to come: 1. Mayweather 2. Sergio Martinez for his 9th world title in a different class before he retires, ending up with a bang. People like you are either Flomos or remnants of defeated Oscar, Hatton, JMM, Morales, Barrera and Cotto fans. You don`t see a boxing genius when you see one, yet turn a blind eye to the fact that your Floyd fought a lightweight in JMM as a full welter (being a former LM champion himself). You are disgusting, add to the fact that you are either a cowardly ALT, or just a total noob, posting about things you really know nothing about.

Yeah I know, I know...Sounds crazy right? Pacquiao has 4 fights at 147lbs (Welterweight) and one fight for a 154lbs Title. Now he wants to fight a Lightweight...OMG!!! There should be Crazy-hate for Pacquiao for this fight...RIGHT? Oh But wait....Floyd Mayweather also had only 4 fights at 147lbs (Welterweight) and one fight for a 154lbs Title when he chose to fight JMM (but his was for a tune-up after a 2 year Layoff)...Yet every Boxing Forum, Sports Forum, every sports-bar and gym was full of HATE for Floyd. Although they have yet to fight each other....even the Haters make it pretty-damn obvious who is the better fighter!!! http://nwbroweather.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Shaking_head.gif Another clueless dumb flomo alt. Did you know Pac fought Marquez TWICE in his two best weight division? Unlike Floyd cheated Marquez at the scale and had 15 lbs or more fight night against Marquez.:nono: Did you also know all Pacquiao fights at 147 and above he never truly weigh in as welterweight like all the natural welterweight normally do? Now go to sleep child as you still has class tomorrow.:doh:

Please show me the prove of this. Why don't you view this the same way the whole Pac is on drug accusations? There is no proof, so its not true...Right? Because it certainly would be crazy to think that a grown man, taking 2 years out of the ring, might have a problem making 3lbs under his normal fighting weight. Bias much? Look it up yourself. It wont be hard to find because it is true. You are the one posting non truths