didn't people for years been saying a pressure fighter with power is Floyds achilles heel? and Floyd struggles against southpaws especially with speed
if you could pick one boxer around Floyds weight class who have these abilities who would you pick?
Add accuracy and youth and you got
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so why some of you saying this is a tune fight?
so just because mosley had about 45 seconds of success his style beats FMJ? ridiculous. I guess corley's style beats him too??
ODLH was on the fast track to beat him until he abandoned the jab. He did better than castillo IMO.. i've watched the castillo fight over and over and don't see how anyone would have him winning unless they really want floyd to lose.
Mayweather MADE OSCAR PUT AWAY HIS JAB...WITH THIS PUNCH:
so while I think a consistent Jab can HELP, Mayweather does have ways to counter even your jab if he has to, you feel a few of those body punches, that will make you change your entire game plan and it will make you afraid to throw certain punches...BODY SHOTS ARE THE FUKIN WORSE! Especially when someone hit you in that same spot OVER AND OVER...UGH!
didn't people for years been saying a pressure fighter with power is Floyds achilles heel? and Floyd struggles against southpaws especially with speed
if you could pick one boxer around Floyds weight class who have these abilities who would you pick?
Add accuracy and youth and you got
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBJTgthq3pIUVzKgmW3Z8-PLCC-Y4S6ElXKhScmNlfgVlunhCC
so why some of you saying this is a tune fight?
By saying "around Floyds weight class" it would have to be from 147 up to as high as he could handle, I'm saying 147 or 154. Floyd cannot make 140 anymore, thats why he blew off the 144 limit in the Marquez fight, and looked at least as big as SSM in their fight, I would say around 160 on fight night. As much as I would like to see him fight Tim Bradley, Bradley would have to move up in weight. I think the fighters with the best chance to take Floyd's 0 is Paquiao at 147 or Martinez at 154. Martinez would likely outweigh Floyd by six to eight pounds on fight night, not a big deal. I definitely give Floyd the advantage in handspeed and defence, give Martinez the advantage in power, offence, the ability to take a punch, and I would call this fight a toss up. I have trashed Floyd plenty on this forum, but I do give him props for fighting a young man like Ortiz, and if he would ever step in the ring with Paq or Martinez, I would respect Floyd for it, win or lose.
Really? Please explain because I saw De la Hoya win 3 rounds at best 4 being extremely generous. The theory of De la Hoya not jabbing over the 2nd half of the fight has been proven false many times over also.
I actually had him winning only 3 rounds too...2,6 and 8
But.. Rds. 4,7,9,11, and 12 had moments where judges could screw the score up based on ineffective aggressiveness and crowd excitement to throw them off a bit.Similar to the way ODLH beat Pernell. We all know he didn't really win, but he got the W. The style DLH came in with was perfect and if he would've kept the pressure up he could've gotten a B.S decision kinda like taylor hopkins I. There aren't many fighters out there that can conquer floyd's style. What im trying to say is, we both know judges aren't the most competent officials... but in a 12 rd. fight the outcome is in their hands. They don't get to look at the compu-box between rds... so if you can deceive the judges like oscar did to get a SD... then you can damn sure do it to sway in ur favor, don't you agree?
In my opinion and it may sound crazy but a bigger stronger Jesus Chavez or atleast the way he fought Floyd. He just kept his head in Floyd chest and swung away and didnt aim just hit would he could and walk through Floyd punishment. He landed significant shots with that style. He waited till he got into Floyd chest and let his hands go it was pretty effective. Which is why I would have loved to see him against Marg back then. I think the only way to beat him is to not let it go to the cards. He punches so cleanly and they are easy for the judge to score.
ortiz needs the best conditioning coach he can find in this fight. training to beat a certain style will definitely take time. this fight will be a learning experience for ortiz. he can't just drop old habits overnight.
most important thing is mental conditioning, which i think is the key to his victory in the berto fight. he saw himself winning that fight, which is why he never gave up and kept coming back. berto may not have been the best fighter to prove the point, but a success like that builds confidence.
Ortiz conditioning has never been a problem and against Berto was the only fight he was the underdog in
so just because mosley had about 45 seconds of success his style beats FMJ? ridiculous. I guess corley's style beats him too??
ODLH was on the fast track to beat him until he abandoned the jab. He did better than castillo IMO.. i've watched the castillo fight over and over and don't see how anyone would have him winning unless they really want floyd to lose.
Really? Please explain because I saw De la Hoya win 3 rounds at best 4 being extremely generous. The theory of De la Hoya not jabbing over the 2nd half of the fight has been proven false many times over also.
I would say pressure fighter with attributes and athletism who applies pressure. You dont want to try outbox him because that might not happen, and you dont want to stand there admiring his pot shotting or work for too long.
Castillo is the only pressurre figher to have beaten Floyd so hes proved it works. And just because many other pressure fighters have failed, doesnt mean its not a pressure fighter that is going to beat him again. A pressure fighter has the best chance of nailing him i guess.
Giving the Castillo bit a pass since it's known he was hurt and he's effectively dealt with pressure since.
Not really a style, but.. Power, speed and smarts beat him.
The closest thing Floyd has seen to it is Judah and Mosley.
He has yet to face any fighter with all 3 attributes though.
Pacquiao is also in the 2 out of 3 dept. and outside a Foreman/Moorer punch I think the result still would be you need all 3 to beat him.
There isnt 1 particular style that will beat Mayweather,you will need to adjust cuz if he finds out ur style he will know exactly what to do with,or Ko Him That is the only way But if you go in guns blazing he will pot shot ur ass to bits
From watching the first rounds of Mayweather vs. Mosley, I would say Mosley's style. Too bad Shane was old. I'm 100% sure that if Shane was Mayweathers age, he would have stopped Floyd.:boxing:
so just because mosley had about 45 seconds of success his style beats FMJ? ridiculous. I guess corley's style beats him too??
ODLH was on the fast track to beat him until he abandoned the jab. He did better than castillo IMO.. i've watched the castillo fight over and over and don't see how anyone would have him winning unless they really want floyd to lose.
ortiz needs the best conditioning coach he can find in this fight. training to beat a certain style will definitely take time. this fight will be a learning experience for ortiz. he can't just drop old habits overnight.
most important thing is mental conditioning, which i think is the key to his victory in the berto fight. he saw himself winning that fight, which is why he never gave up and kept coming back. berto may not have been the best fighter to prove the point, but a success like that builds confidence.