Who's the better welterweight??

Simple question and some ppl are trying to twist it. Anything over 140 lb to 147 lb is a WW. Both fighters have fought above 140 and at this point it is obvious that Ortiz is a better WW if they both fought WW full time. No knock on JMM he is a great fighter but at this higher weight doesn't look like he would be as competitive as in the lower weights

This question shouldn't even be asked. JMM beat nobody at ww, Ortiz beat Berto. End of discussion.

Lol..................

Ortiz is, and he should have moved up a long time ago.

Well let me try to get green. Gayweather is fighting Ortiz, a no talented BUM!! Marquez is a legend at WW, much better than Ortiz who got a lucky draw over Lamont. When will Gayweather stop trying to fight Madiana's leftovers and fight Pac?

It'll be easier to answer after Mayweather fights Ortiz. I reckon Floyd is gonna have an easier time with Ortiz and is going to batter him silly, so you could maybe say Marquez. Size was a factor in the Floyd-Marquez fight, skill and experience will be a bigger one in Floyd-Ortiz.

Remake this poll after the fight. If Ortiz does worse than JMM did, the poll could easily be flipped. End thread right here.\ Poll is useless until both have fought common opponents. Good thing about it is we will know soon. If Ortiz does worse than Marquez, then the latter could theoretically be considered the better welter. Marquez fought the best while Ortiz fought what is considered to be a hypejob. Saying Ortiz is a better welterweight on the basis of a Berto win doesn't seem to make sense at this point. Would Marquez be competitive against Berto? Styles make fights. We won't know until they fight, which will most likely never happen. The Ortiz-May fight will definitely give us a rough idea. I see the agenda of this thread, as usual. :bottle:

Is this thread for real.:wtf1:

Remake this poll after the fight. If Ortiz does worse than JMM did, the poll could easily be flipped.

Ortiz. Not sure who would be the toughest opponent for Pac though.

JMM is not a natural ww in my opinion. Ortiz has a lot of size on him.

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Of course Ortiz is the better welterweight...JMM don't belong at WW.

had to give him somebody to fight since floyd is stuck on "take the test" when he him self uses XYLOCAINE injections to numb his little brittle hands. since we want a clean fight and we are trying to clean up the sport let's do it the right way. broken hands are part of boxing just as much as cuts and broken noses no XYLOCAINE injections and manny takes the test or we can just let the boxing sanctioning body take care of the testing.

in reality both are cherry pickers. At 1 point floyd was in charge of all the sweet cherries and had first dibs on all the good ones but then came manny and took his spot because in between cherry picking he actually fought some fights with guys ranked in the top 10. while floyd kep fighting the sharmba mitchell's of the world. Was it U that picked Marquez??

in reality both are cherry pickers. At 1 point floyd was in charge of all the sweet cherries and had first dibs on all the good ones but then came manny and took his spot because in between cherry picking he actually fought some fights with guys ranked in the top 10. while floyd kep fighting the sharmba mitchell's of the world.

Ortiz. Pretty simple.

Whitewash.Bet the pactards came in,took 1 look & simply bowed out!!:headbang:

Fighting at 144 doesn't make him a "welter" anymore then pac fighting at 150 makes him a JMW. But if ur trying to get at which fight is better it is by FAR the ortiz fight. Jmm doesn't have any business in a ring with pacquaio at this stage of their respective careers and he will be made short work of come fight night. Unfortunately I agree with everything you just said.... Marquez is such a warrior, he will fight Pac at any weight, he doesn't care.

Didn't U here??He's fighting Pacman there.this will be his 2nd appearance there.He's gonna get dominated yet again. Fighting at 144 doesn't make him a "welter" anymore then pac fighting at 150 makes him a JMW. But if ur trying to get at which fight is better it is by FAR the ortiz fight. Jmm doesn't have any business in a ring with pacquaio at this stage of their respective careers and he will be made short work of come fight night.