Ali is over hyped, Ray Robinson was a hell alot better!

Ali is not over hyped. If anything he is under hyped. Having said that SRR was P4P better. what a dumbass post lol :DD ali is considered to be one of the best if not the best hw ever and still he's underhyped.. :D dumbass pactard b.itch

The Ts must mean Bash Ali, the cruiserweight from the 80's.

Ali gets more credit because he is more recent. He was also in the Heavyweight division. The glamour division. So, he gets recognized more. Not to mention what he meant to so many people, posititvely and negatively. A bit more flamboyant as well. Robinson has things working against him. He wasn't a Heavyweight, he wasn't as charismatic and he doesn't have as much video-documented proof of his greatness. This will always work against him. In my opinion.. Robinson > Ali. Both are great, however.

SRR being considered automatically the GOAT, makes him overrated to me, just my opinion. SRR, has a great case to being considered the greatest fighter of all time. A huge case. But, Harry Greb and Sam Langford has just as great of a case to being considered the greatest fighters of all time. Really is between those 3 fighters. And, anyone of them could be considered the GOAT. So when automatically SRR is considered the GOAT makes me think he's overrated, OR Greb and Langford are tremendously underrated.

You could also argue Benny Leonard and Sam Langford above Ali as well Ali was a great fighter with a magnificent resume, no doubt the first or second greatest HW that ever lived. But he was larger than most of his opponents, which hurts him in p4p rankings. No way he is top 3.

tbh i think ali has the more impressive resume. ray might be better skilled and better technically but i like ali's resume.

Ali is not over hyped. If anything he is under hyped. Having said that SRR was P4P better.

the reason Ali is always going to be heralded as the GOAT by commoners is because of the larger than life figure he was outside the ring..but in the ring SRR will always be the GOAT to me.. please clarify what do you mean by commoners....there seems to be a tinge of discrimination here

Sorry about the typo I meant 38 years old. Its cool. Press the edit button next time. No need for a second post.

I agree that Ali was over-hyped. It all began because Liston prepared for a 2 rd fight, instead of a 15 rd'er. That he was about 48 years old, when that was OLD for a boxer, didn't help. Because of that, Ali began to call himself "The Greatest" and people began to believe it. That he was a noisy, talkative personality helped. Nat Fleischer (Mr. Boxing) The Founder and publisher of RING, until he died in 1972, was around for much of Ali's career, and said many times that Ali had some very bad boxing habits, and when he slowed down he'd begin to find it tough. And that's what happened. And that's why he is so handicapped today. He was at ringside for every important fight from 1905 onwards, saw all the greats many times, knew them, including the experts, trainers etc. and always said that the best heavyweight was Jack Johnson, that nobody ever really saw him at his best because he was so good that he toyed with his opponents. Would KD them and catch them before they fell to keep them up, and prolong the fights so as to give the cash customers value for their money etc. (This was common for black fighters to do) You can actually see this in some of his fights. And he put Joe Louis in second place, and Dempsey in 3rd. He said that Dempsey was finished before he fought Tunney, and had been retired out in Hollywood for 3 years before the first Tunney fight. I believe him. But he never saw Mike Tyson, or the Klitschkos. Or Lewis. Sorry about the typo I meant 38 years old.

You could also argue Benny Leonard and Sam Langford above Ali as well I agree that Ali was over-hyped. It all began because Liston prepared for a 2 rd fight, instead of a 15 rd'er. That he was about 48 years old, when that was OLD for a boxer, didn't help. Because of that, Ali began to call himself "The Greatest" and people began to believe it. That he was a noisy, talkative personality helped. Nat Fleischer (Mr. Boxing) The Founder and publisher of RING, until he died in 1972, was around for much of Ali's career, and said many times that Ali had some very bad boxing habits, and when he slowed down he'd begin to find it tough. And that's what happened. And that's why he is so handicapped today. He was at ringside for every important fight from 1905 onwards, saw all the greats many times, knew them, including the experts, trainers etc. and always said that the best heavyweight was Jack Johnson, that nobody ever really saw him at his best because he was so good that he toyed with his opponents. Would KD them and catch them before they fell to keep them up, and prolong the fights so as to give the cash customers value for their money etc. (This was common for black fighters to do) You can actually see this in some of his fights. And he put Joe Louis in second place, and Dempsey in 3rd. He said that Dempsey was finished before he fought Tunney, and had been retired out in Hollywood for 3 years before the first Tunney fight. I believe him. But he never saw Mike Tyson, or the Klitschkos. Or Lewis.

Ali has always said that SSR was the GOAT. Ali gets more press becuase his life in and out of the ring. Exactly, straight to the point..

You could also argue Benny Leonard and Sam Langford above Ali as well

I got Pep at #2.

the reason Ali is always going to be heralded as the GOAT by commoners is because of the larger than life figure he was outside the ring..but in the ring SRR will always be the GOAT to me..

do you seriously believe that??seriously do you think im like this guy??and dont know any boxing history??im insulted Lol im just fukkin with you Larry You're the only one thats on right now that i could fukk with:3some:

Robinson, Armstrong, and Ali are the 3 greatest fighters ever. I got Willie Pep at #2 above Armstrong. #3 Armstrong Ali's 4th or 5th.

Robinson, Armstrong, and Ali are the 3 greatest fighters ever.

I bet you've never seen an entire fight of either Ali or SRR Just like Larry :rofl: do you seriously believe that??seriously do you think im like this guy??and dont know any boxing history??im insulted

Ali has always said that SSR was the GOAT. Ali gets more press becuase his life in and out of the ring.