Is Roach the most overrated trainer of all time?

Don't get sardonic. You know most of that stuff is political regarding "boxers that want him to train them". And the improvement in pac has more to do with facing comeforward brawlers and no boxers. Its an illusion. David Diaz Hatton Cotto Oscar(dead) Margarito Clottey. No classy boxers there unless I'm missing something. Its like this 90% carefully selected opposition, 10% improvement. Match him up against anyone who could box like JMM or Floyd and he looks like a 1 handed amateur again. I'd even pick Khan to clown him. :lol1: match up JMM to other best counterpunchers in the business & he'll get exposed too Chris John, MAB, Floyd he also looks good fighting forward fighters Pac, J.Diaz, Katsidis FACT

yea he def gets way more credit then he deserves but the simpletons on this website would just agree with what the rest of the simps say

I've seen it first hand, I don't need to dispute your anecdotal point. Again He had world titles before anybody has heard of Pac. So to say Pac made him is quite bit ridiculous.

Exactly so Roach gets a lot of credit for doing nothing but working with Manny and keeping him away from boxers while asking for catchweights to drain his opponents. Do you even know anything about Boxing?

If Roach is so overrated how come he hasn't been exposed?

Overrated, his claim to fame is mickey rourke and Pacquiao. Pacquiao is mostly Pacquiao because of his natural abilities(things Roach did not teach him). I reckon any elite trainer would have taken Pacto where he is today because he would still have the speed, power, and athleticism. Even today Pacquiao still makes alot of technical mistakes but he has been in there with the right opponents. Exactly. I guess you're not totally shot yet Zarco.

No, you're trolling cuz you couldn't even dispute the point I made. Its a trick "point". How can you have a rebuttal to a poster who is pointless? Walk it off J Ro. from the block. Marc is calling. Dont take him serious Gore.

Overrated, his claim to fame is mickey rourke and Pacquiao. Pacquiao is mostly Pacquiao because of his natural abilities(things Roach did not teach him). I reckon any elite trainer would have taken Pacto where he is today because he would still have the speed, power, and athleticism. Even today Pacquiao still makes alot of technical mistakes but he has been in there with the right opponents.

Take a deep breath and think. Who do you think deserved the years he won those awards? It was unanimous when he won it. If he didn't, many, specially fans would have complained. It was political. Not merit based. No, you're trolling cuz you couldn't even dispute the point I made. I've seen it first hand, I don't need to dispute your anecdotal point.

Was Toney using his steroids when under Roach's tutelage? And Roach has been around for a LONGGG time, than out of no where he's getting all this praise and shredding his fighters up like someone put a scalpel to their bodies. I hate when you start seeing signs of cheating because it opens up a rabbit hole where you have to ask question everything because your logic will make you wonder.

Stop trolling man. Go to the wildcard 5 days a week and see what a great trainer he is. No, you're trolling cuz you couldn't even dispute the point I made.

The reason i say hes somewhat overrated is because of comments like hes the best in the game right now because aslong as Steward is active coaching champions or not hes at legendry status.

Lulz at the coward move by ripper putting walt liquor on ignore/waving the white flag of surrender. You're no fighter jack. You're a lying pu$$y, that I know for sure. And you trolling skills have gone from admirable to scrub level. Walk if off Walt. This is not a troll thread, I've seen the guy in action day in and day out, there's nothing he does that's special. Don't make me put your alt on timeout too. :nonono:

Lulz at the coward move by ripper putting walt liquor on ignore/waving the white flag of surrender. You're no fighter jack. You're a lying pu$$y, that I know for sure. And you trolling skills have gone from admirable to scrub level.

What's wrong with being universally praised and awarded too much to the point of annoyance? :dance:

You're officially being stupid. Roach was a boxer too. Have you ever heard and interview or read anything fortune has said about learning from Freddie. Obviously not. If any boxer could train...well never mind, if you don't know it already or are choosing to ignore it then you're just useless. Futch was busy with other fighters and Freddie did pretty much all the work with him. But I'm sure you already know that since you train at the wild card 5 days a week and can tell Freddie sucks as a trainer. If you put me on iggy, you're the biggest bit ch that ever logged on to boxingscene. Alright Mr. you've had enough for tonight. Call a cab and go sleep it off champ. :smashfrea

I'll get sardonic when you make dumb threads like this. Yes, you are missing something. Cotto is a classy boxer. As far as you picking khan to clown manny, let's just say you don't have a rep around here as an expert fight prognosticator and this is just another example of why. This desparation thread isn't helping either. There's no classier boxer than jmm and PAC won maybe 2 rds vs him the first time, and 5-6 the second time. If you can't recognize the difference in pac's rhythm, timing, arsenal, gameplanning, and execution then I don't know what to tell you. Manny's never going to be a master boxer, but his style is refining to a point where he's a problem for anyone and everyone. :haha: :haha: :haha: 4 trainer of the year awards.......if he sucks then the others are dirt. boxing is not a merit based sport like organized sports. Its political and full of corruption.

Now you're just trolling. Fortune was a hw pro himself, he didn't need Roach to learn about boxing. you're THIS close to going on iggy. stop being annoying. You're officially being stupid. Roach was a boxer too. Have you ever heard and interview or read anything fortune has said about learning from Freddie. Obviously not. If any boxer could train...well never mind, if you don't know it already or are choosing to ignore it then you're just useless. Futch was busy with other fighters and Freddie did pretty much all the work with him. But I'm sure you already know that since you train at the wild card 5 days a week and can tell Freddie sucks as a trainer. If you put me on iggy, you're the biggest bit ch that ever logged on to boxingscene.

i would say hes overated

Don't get sardonic. You know most of that stuff is political regarding "boxers that want him to train them". And the improvement in pac has more to do with facing comeforward brawlers and no boxers. Its an illusion. David Diaz Hatton Cotto Oscar(dead) Margarito Clottey. No classy boxers there unless I'm missing something. Its like this 90% carefully selected opposition, 10% improvement. Match him up against anyone who could box like JMM or Floyd and he looks like a 1 handed amateur again. I'd even pick Khan to clown him. I'll get sardonic when you make dumb threads like this. Yes, you are missing something. Cotto is a classy boxer. As far as you picking khan to clown manny, let's just say you don't have a rep around here as an expert fight prognosticator and this is just another example of why. This desparation thread isn't helping either. There's no classier boxer than jmm and PAC won maybe 2 rds vs him the first time, and 5-6 the second time. If you can't recognize the difference in pac's rhythm, timing, arsenal, gameplanning, and execution then I don't know what to tell you. Manny's never going to be a master boxer, but his style is refining to a point where he's a problem for anyone and everyone.