Does wlad now possess a tyson type aura?

Yup performance prime. Using all the tools that brought him to the dance. Bobbing and weaving, combination punching, explosiveness. All 3 are already flat at this point in his career and lays credence to the training flimsiness. Who gives a sht what odds makers thought btw. It was Buster Douglas, who Tony Tucker KO'd - that Tyson soundly beat. That's all they needed to know. Only thing that fight proved was to never let your guard down. As a fighter, never get lazy.. or you can have a night in Tokyo like Mike did. Tyson ran into a perfect storm of issues to get beat up. Already in love with his power to the point he's throwing one punch at a time pretty much, not training like he originally used to, *****ing about running. Then you have Buster who lost his mom and trains for the fight of his life. And an unmotivated Tyson still put Buster on his ass with one punch. Mike's problem was always mental. He could've whooped anybody if he stayed flying straight in training. Height, reach, the jab.. none of it meant anything when he was a bob and weave monster. It reminds me of (even thought he's done now) how Ricky Hatton had 0 problems closing distance on a fighter no matter their speed attributes. Blah, blah, blah and more blah I will say one thing you sure have plenty of excuses for Tyson. Now I will state what I really think. Tyson was a decent fighter but he was a tad overrated because he had no clue how to fight going backwards. I just watched the fight and I also watched the Holmes and Ruddock fights and he fought the same way in the first rounds in all three of the fights. The difference being that Douglas hit him and hurt Tyson and backed him up as early as the second round. Tyson was totally befuddled and had no clue what to do and ended up getting his a$$ handed to him by a fighter who actually had better boxing skills. Douglas simply hurt Tyson and took him out of his game plan and then dominated him. I did not even give Tyson a round, hell even the eight round should have been scored even because Douglas dominated that round until the knock down. Now, I am done.

Performance prime? He was 24 years old and had only fought 52 rounds in nine title fights. He also never came close to taking a beating and really had a pretty easy ride up until that point. And even with the issues he may or may not have had Tyson was still a 42-1 favorite to win. And I have to be honest I am not a gambler but I would think even the odds makers, who make money on paying attention, didn't seem to concerned about Tyson not being in his performance prime. He was also in his third fight without Rooney and seemed to still be as dominate as ever. And by the way how good was Rooney? What other world class fighters did he train,Vinny Paz? In closing I find it interesting that Even after twenty years Tyson's fans are still making excuses for him. And I may not of even had an issue with you making excuses but you act as if Douglas had nothing to do with the win. Well guess what? Surprise, surprise he sure did and he whopped Tyson's a$$. And just maybe if you continuously watch fight to the end of the eight round only, maybe you will than be able to get past that part of your life. Yup performance prime. Using all the tools that brought him to the dance. Bobbing and weaving, combination punching, explosiveness. All 3 are already flat at this point in his career and lays credence to the training flimsiness. Who gives a sht what odds makers thought btw. It was Buster Douglas, who Tony Tucker KO'd - that Tyson soundly beat. That's all they needed to know. Only thing that fight proved was to never let your guard down. As a fighter, never get lazy.. or you can have a night in Tokyo like Mike did. Tyson ran into a perfect storm of issues to get beat up. Already in love with his power to the point he's throwing one punch at a time pretty much, not training like he originally used to, *****ing about running. Then you have Buster who lost his mom and trains for the fight of his life. And an unmotivated Tyson still put Buster on his ass with one punch. Mike's problem was always mental. He could've whooped anybody if he stayed flying straight in training. Height, reach, the jab.. none of it meant anything when he was a bob and weave monster. It reminds me of (even thought he's done now) how Ricky Hatton had 0 problems closing distance on a fighter no matter their speed attributes.

And you just proved my point about you ppl that don't know the difference between physical and performance prime. He lost to Buster freakin Douglas, but whooped Tucker. And it's fact he didn't really train for the fight, got knocked down in sparring. He couldn't take the intense training regimen it took to stay Kid Dynamite. Forceful, constant bobbing and weaving, combinations in association. Anybody who's taken up boxing knows that is the most physically demanding style with all the preslugging movement. If he was doing that **** against Buster no way he loses when he was still able to drop the guy with a single punch looking like crap, with a wack team. Performance prime? He was 24 years old and had only fought 52 rounds in nine title fights. He also never came close to taking a beating and really had a pretty easy ride up until that point. And even with the issues he may or may not have had Tyson was still a 42-1 favorite to win. And I have to be honest I am not a gambler but I would think even the odds makers, who make money on paying attention, didn't seem to concerned about Tyson not being in his performance prime. He was also in his third fight without Rooney and seemed to still be as dominate as ever. And by the way how good was Rooney? What other world class fighters did he train,Vinny Paz? In closing I find it interesting that Even after twenty years Tyson's fans are still making excuses for him. And I may not of even had an issue with you making excuses but you act as if Douglas had nothing to do with the win. Well guess what? Surprise, surprise he sure did and he whopped Tyson's a$$. And just maybe if you continuously watch fight to the end of the eight round only, maybe you will than be able to get past that part of your life.

1. Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Jack Johnson 4. Larry Holmes 5. Rocky Marciano 6. George Foreman 7. Sonny Liston 8. Joe Frazier 9. Jack Dempsey 10. Jeffires 11. Charles 12. Lennox Lewis/ Mike Tyson 13. Harry Wills 14. Evander Holyfield/ Gene Tunney 15. Floyd Patterson/ Jersey Joe Wallcot 16. James J. Corbett 17. Max Baer 18. Max Schmeling 19. Sam Langford 20. Wladimir Klitchko/ Vitali Klitshko.

Larry Holes said Mike Tyson was the only fighter he was ever scared of. Besides weight class is irrlevant. Spinks was a cool character and was scared. P.S - Wlad is somewhere around #20 for me. Can you eplain how he could possible surpass Joe Frazier etc? Spinks was another LHW... and a decade-and-a-half older than Tyson... once again, not a very good argument as to how a legitimate HW (not LHW) top-contender was scared of Tyson. Your top 10 must be very different than my top 10. Here is my top 10: Marcianno Louis Lewis Ali Foreman Holmes Wlad Vitaly Schmeling Jhonson

Larry Holes said Mike Tyson was the only fighter he was ever scared of. Besides weight class is irrlevant. Spinks was a cool character and was scared. P.S - Wlad is somewhere around #20 for me. Can you eplain how he could possible surpass Joe Frazier etc?

I understand what you are saying, the Klitchko's when fighting are mentally sound and focussed whereas Tyson wasn't but, his opponents didn't know that during his reign of terror. I mean watch Tyson vs Spinks, Spinks an unbeaten cool LHW champ and one of the greatest, absolutely freezes against him. If you knew the truth behind Tyson then yes your point is valid (ie: Buster Douglas) but, if you are unaware of his ACTUAL mental state he was quite a degree scarier imo. P.S - Where does Wlad rank on your ATG P4P and HW lists? Are you kidding me? Does he rank? He is top 10, right now, and he is not even done fighting.

I understand what you are saying, the Klitchko's when fighting are mentally sound and focussed whereas Tyson wasn't but, his opponents didn't know that during his reign of terror. I mean watch Tyson vs Spinks, Spinks an unbeaten cool LHW champ and one of the greatest, absolutely freezes against him. If you knew the truth behind Tyson then yes your point is valid (ie: Buster Douglas) but, if you are unaware of his ACTUAL mental state he was quite a degree scarier imo. P.S - Where does Wlad rank on your ATG P4P and HW lists? Light-heavy weight that was 36 years old, I wouldn't exactly hang my hat on that argument if I were to say how intimidating Tyson is to other HWs... Buster wasn't scared.

I understand what you are saying, the Klitchko's when fighting are mentally sound and focussed whereas Tyson wasn't but, his opponents didn't know that during his reign of terror. I mean watch Tyson vs Spinks, Spinks an unbeaten cool LHW champ and one of the greatest, absolutely freezes against him. If you knew the truth behind Tyson then yes your point is valid (ie: Buster Douglas) but, if you are unaware of his ACTUAL mental state he was quite a degree scarier imo. P.S - Where does Wlad rank on your ATG P4P and HW lists?

I think Tyson was way more intimidating since Wlad is very polite. Some people feel they have a puncher's chance against him but he has beat everyone in the past years. He's a great fighter but he do not possesses the type of aure that Mike had. Tyson was the scariest Mofo boxing ever had. He might be more intimidating to the average guy on the street but to a pro boxer who has any other options, Wlad is way more intimidating. Otherwise how do you explain Povetkin turning down a $2.5 million payday because he is "not ready"....

Tyson was only 2Ib above his weight for the Spinks fight, hardly under-training. It was his mental state not anything to do with his physical one. Exactly, that was the whole point of the argument. Tyson was/is a mental midget. Both Klitschkos are much tougher mentally than him. Therefore they ultimately are more intimidating to their opponents (not to joe schmoe on the street, very important disctinction). The evidence? All of the fighters that are foregoing multi-million dollar paydays against the Klitschkos. I can't think of one that has done so against Tyson.

I think Tyson was way more intimidating since Wlad is very polite. Some people feel they have a puncher's chance against him but he has beat everyone in the past years. He's a great fighter but he do not possesses the type of aure that Mike had. Tyson was the scariest Mofo boxing ever had.

And you just proved my point about you ppl that don't know the difference between physical and performance prime. He lost to Buster freakin Douglas, but whooped Tucker. And it's fact he didn't really train for the fight, got knocked down in sparring. He couldn't take the intense training regimen it took to stay Kid Dynamite. Forceful, constant bobbing and weaving, combinations in association. Anybody who's taken up boxing knows that is the most physically demanding style with all the preslugging movement. If he was doing that **** against Buster no way he loses when he was still able to drop the guy with a single punch looking like crap, with a wack team. Tyson was only 2Ib above his weight for the Spinks fight, hardly under-training. It was his mental state not anything to do with his physical one.

No, very good thread, only the haters will deny it, but Wlad is more scarry than Tyson, no one ever turned down a multi-million dollar fight against Tyson but they are doing it against the Klitschkos right and left. lmfao. Next you will say he is scarier than Sonny Liston.

His career was over by 1990? He was 24 years old and in his prime in 1990. And you just proved my point about you ppl that don't know the difference between physical and performance prime. He lost to Buster freakin Douglas, but whooped Tucker. And it's fact he didn't really train for the fight, got knocked down in sparring. He couldn't take the intense training regimen it took to stay Kid Dynamite. Forceful, constant bobbing and weaving, combinations in association. Anybody who's taken up boxing knows that is the most physically demanding style with all the preslugging movement. If he was doing that **** against Buster no way he loses when he was still able to drop the guy with a single punch looking like crap, with a wack team.

You do realize that by 24 years old he had near 40 professional fights and had made more money than any boxer in history. People like to talk about how short Tyson's prime was but don't take into account that at one point he was 37-0 and before his second loss to Evander after prison, he was 45-1, and even with all the prison and suspension he still had 58 total fights. Evander had a longer career and had no prison and other bans yet he only had 55 professional fights, and Lennox Lewis has only had 44 total fights. Despite Lennox fighting mainly past prime fighters, he is 41 and 2 with some questionable decisions, and when Mike was 29 he was 45 wins and 1 loss, having fought every top contender of the time. Tyson ducked nobody and fought all the best, and that is why he is known the way he is and nobody looks at guys like Lennox, Wlad, Vitali, etc, in the same light. Tyson's "short" prime is bull****. The guy fought a ton of fights and got burnt out quick. You can only be so disciplined. How many can honestly say they could handle, at 20 years of age, being the richest boxer and undisputed champion of the world? Honestly, who could do that without slipping up on discipline? Money, women, cars, scandals, boxing corruption, etc... How would you handle it? I was not disputing Tyson's record I was only implying that he was still in his prime when he fought Douglas. And as far as I can tell you only helped to prove my point. And just for clarification I would like to point out a couple of minor mistakes on your part. Tyson did not become the undisputed alphabet champ until after his win against Tucker for the IBF belt. He was also not recognized as the linear champ until after he beat Spinks. Both of those fights were after his 21st birthday. Also, before his second loss to Holyfield he had already lost twice. And since you mentioned the Klit brothers I will sate what I think about comparing the bros to Tyson, or at least Wlad. Tyson beat some decent fighters as champ. He beat a slew of alphabet champs such as Smith, Tubbs, Bruno etc. Tyson actually fought and beat seven alphabet title holders. I did not count Holmes, Spinks, Holyfield or Lewis simply because they were a little more then just belt holders,but more on them latter. Well back to the point I was trying to make. Wlad has also fought seven belt holders and won. What I am saying is that both of them fought top 10 fighters on a regular bases and usually won. And you can argue all you want that Tyson's competition was better but these are the facts. Tyson's record is far from paved with Hall of Fame fighters. And of the four he fought. One was a very old 39 the other was sacred stiff and never fought again. And the other two beat Tyson and they both happened to be older then him. I just want to state again that I am not trying to discredit Tyson in anyway I am just trying to say that Wlad's and Tyson's championship records aren't all that much different. As far as the Klit bros are concerned I believe the biggest problem the they have with their place in history is with each other. Because there is no doubt in my mind that if they were not bros and fought each other the winner would have no problem being recognized as an all time great by most knowledgeable boxing fans.

His career was over by 1990? He was 24 years old and in his prime in 1990. In fact after the Douglas fight he went back to blowing out his opponents, and even after his prison time he was able to win a couple of belts. Unfortunately Douglas also reverted back to his old self which was being a lazy turd. With that said I tell you how I saw the fight. Tyson came in at 220 pounds so obviously he trained. Because when you don't train, see the Douglas-Holyfield fight, that's what happens. What I believe is that Douglas came into the fight unafraid of the big bad Mike Tyson. And Tyson was blowing his opponents out so he did not know how to handle a fighter that was not afraid of him and was backing him up. But I will say that I am sure it did not help that Rooney was gone. However, it was not a situation that some kind of transformation needed to take place. Such as say when Manny became Wlad's trainer. I will also add, and this is just my opinion, that it's not like ole Buster didn't have world class boxing skills. His problem was that he was lazy and he did not have a world class heart to go along with his skills. However, on one night in February of 1990 he was able to put it all together and become the World Heavyweight Champion. In closing I will say that you dare to tell someone they need to get over something. When obviously you are the one who needs to get over the fact that Tyson got his a$$ whopped by a 42-1 underdog. You do realize that by 24 years old he had near 40 professional fights and had made more money than any boxer in history. People like to talk about how short Tyson's prime was but don't take into account that at one point he was 37-0 and before his second loss to Evander after prison, he was 45-1, and even with all the prison and suspension he still had 58 total fights. Evander had a longer career and had no prison and other bans yet he only had 55 professional fights, and Lennox Lewis has only had 44 total fights. Despite Lennox fighting mainly past prime fighters, he is 41 and 2 with some questionable decisions, and when Mike was 29 he was 45 wins and 1 loss, having fought every top contender of the time. Tyson ducked nobody and fought all the best, and that is why he is known the way he is and nobody looks at guys like Lennox, Wlad, Vitali, etc, in the same light. Tyson's "short" prime is bull****. The guy fought a ton of fights and got burnt out quick. You can only be so disciplined. How many can honestly say they could handle, at 20 years of age, being the richest boxer and undisputed champion of the world? Honestly, who could do that without slipping up on discipline? Money, women, cars, scandals, boxing corruption, etc... How would you handle it?

You people need to get over that Buster Douglas fight. Mike didn't train seriously for it, was ready to quit on camp if his team made him do basic **** like run. You watch the fight and he's not trying to swarm in with the head movement or anything really, he's already very docile compared to earlier fights. Mike even says his career was OVER by 1990. He wasn't the monster Cus trained anymore even though the rep lasted throughout the majority of his career. His career was over by 1990? He was 24 years old and in his prime in 1990. In fact after the Douglas fight he went back to blowing out his opponents, and even after his prison time he was able to win a couple of belts. Unfortunately Douglas also reverted back to his old self which was being a lazy turd. With that said I tell you how I saw the fight. Tyson came in at 220 pounds so obviously he trained. Because when you don't train, see the Douglas-Holyfield fight, that's what happens. What I believe is that Douglas came into the fight unafraid of the big bad Mike Tyson. And Tyson was blowing his opponents out so he did not know how to handle a fighter that was not afraid of him and was backing him up. But I will say that I am sure it did not help that Rooney was gone. However, it was not a situation that some kind of transformation needed to take place. Such as say when Manny became Wlad's trainer. I will also add, and this is just my opinion, that it's not like ole Buster didn't have world class boxing skills. His problem was that he was lazy and he did not have a world class heart to go along with his skills. However, on one night in February of 1990 he was able to put it all together and become the World Heavyweight Champion. In closing I will say that you dare to tell someone they need to get over something. When obviously you are the one who needs to get over the fact that Tyson got his a$$ whopped by a 42-1 underdog.

Buster was stopped three times before he faced Tyson. And he used his jab to back up and beat a prime Tyson. Again remember this is Buster Douglas we are talking about. With that said and considering the fact that Wlad has one of the best jabs in heavyweight history and he also does a great job of tying up fighters on the inside. Therefore I would have given Wlad an excellent chance to beat a prime Tyson. You people need to get over that Buster Douglas fight. Mike didn't train seriously for it, was ready to quit on camp if his team made him do basic **** like run. You watch the fight and he's not trying to swarm in with the head movement or anything really, he's already very docile compared to earlier fights. Mike even says his career was OVER by 1990. He wasn't the monster Cus trained anymore even though the rep lasted throughout the majority of his career.

"Does wlad now possess a tyson type aura?" No.