Manny has not improved that much technically.........

Pac not cutting weight anymore bigger improvement than changes in him technically but he is a more complete fighter than he used to be never gonna be full fledged technician but as a boxer puncher/volume puncher, Pac is lethal That Asian girl in the vid you show is looking at me as if she wants me to make love to her. I got twitterpated when she puckered her lips. Dang! Asian girls have such delicate bone structure on their faces.:love:

morales can fight a disciplined fight, but he chose to brawl. like you said he loved to fight. I don't remember it. To me a refined fighter is someone with a defense, someone who calculates his attacks, has an ability to dictate a fight from range, and is able to do it consistently utilizing good technique, I never saw that from Morales, which is why I would never describe him as a refined fighter. Just aswell

Manny improved by simply using his right hand more. He's still the same fight he always has been. The problem is Arum is giving him gimmie fights so he'll look good. Pacquiao against a good technical boxer would get his ass smashed. Plain and simple. Hell Marquez at 147 would still give him problems. Are you seriously believing that? Marquez is great but no way he punches harder than Oscar, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito at welterweight nor he has a chin to withstand Pac punches now at 147. He keeps kissing the canvass at lower weight classes from Pac featherweight punches and the mean reason why he lose both fight. These are the fact you can't deny. JMM is a lightweight the most and Pacquiao is welterweight now. Between 140-147 Pac ko him for good. Once he goes down he will never be the same.

He moves his head more, but his head movement is too predictable when he is coming foward, at times its almost like a token gesture than a defensive movement. Marquez is a counter puncher that does not move after countering, he is there to be hit back whether he counters you or not, what will happen with a guy who moves after counter punching, or is bigger, capable of hurting you more with a single counter? I dont make this thead in relation to a potential Marquez rematch, infact I reckon he would still beat Marquez, albeit still in a competitive fight due to the fact he has not improved certain aspects of his game that dramatically imo, not on the front foot anyway. easy for you to say that but if youre in the ring with him and being tagged with power shots, i dont know if youll still have time to predict those movements. theres a whole world of difference from the perspective of a viewer to the one inside the ring thats fighting. thats what happened to hatton, dela hoya cotto and margarito. they thought that pacquiao is not that fast and not that strong while watching him, so they brought that impressions inside the ring but what happened? they were simply mesmerized, even up to the point of helplessness (ODLH), shocked (hatton), overwhelmed with fear of a KO(clottey) or simply outclassed (Marg & diaz) theyre professional fighters yet they cannot solve the puzzle that is pacquiao. thats because from the very beginning theyre analysis are flawed, they under estimated the guy, while pacquiao prepared so hard for them. granted you tagged pacquiao with a punch, and you reset to give another but how can you reset when right after you caught him you get yourself combos of 3 power punches as his counter? open your eyes and look around and compare how pacquiao fights with the styles of the other fighters around, pacquiao moves like in a perpetual way like no other. he was cornered at times by his foes, but that is to his own liking. he stand toe to toe, but thats his own decision, his own choice because like what he always says he wanted to make people happy, to be entertained, try to imagine it if who hes fighting is considered lethal to his style and he planned not to engage but to purely go in and out can he do that? of course, he demonstrated it in his fight with de la hoya and that fight imho is a very smart figh and pacquiao is a very smart fighter, the guy is very intelligent. as long as people under estimate pacquiao, he will always win, he has this uncanny ability to capitalize on that. he can always, and did, surprised them. like "shock and awe" approach. to defeat pacquiao one must appreciate his talent, ability skill, one must respect his speed and power so one can fully prepare for it. to under estimate him is to place ones self in a dis advantage position even before stepping inside that ring.

I dont believe that, infact I have seen most of Morales's fights, and part of the reason he got dragged into a war all the time, was a culmination of a few things, his ring generalship and defense were not very good, plus he liked to fight, he would get trapped on the ropes, get hit, then become embroiled in a fight. morales can fight a disciplined fight, but he chose to brawl. like you said he loved to fight. After that chat we had a long time ago about Cotto, I wont even attempt to respond to what I know, what you dont know. I don't remember it.

This is a horrible thread. Manny was shut out after rd 2 vs jmm their first fight and boxed him to a standstill in their second and won by a knockdown. For starters.....

Manny improved by simply using his right hand more. He's still the same fight he always has been. The problem is Arum is giving him gimmie fights so he'll look good. Pacquiao against a good technical boxer would get his ass smashed. Plain and simple. Hell Marquez at 147 would still give him problems.

Stupid fkn thread....If it ain't broke why fix it? /end of thread

He's not as predictable when he makes his move, like he used to be. Opponents used to be able to bank on Manny lunging in with the straight left to kick off any combination, now not so much. He also seems to have a much better understanding of how to counter punch and use the moments his opponents throw to let loose his superior handspeed. It's not like he doesn't have any flaws, but he is clearly a better and smarter fighter. I thought the Cotto fight displayed that above doubt. no question that hes improved, but floyd still whoops him

Pac not cutting weight anymore bigger improvement than changes in him technically but he is a more complete fighter than he used to be never gonna be full fledged technician but as a boxer puncher/volume puncher, Pac is lethal Man... every time I read your posts I hear this guys voice in my head. :lol1:

morales was a refined boxer, but chose to brawl. there is a big difference and the fact that you don't know this means you should just quit boxing and pick up something easier like mma. I dont believe that, infact I have seen most of Morales's fights, and part of the reason he got dragged into a war all the time, was a culmination of a few things, his ring generalship and defense were not very good, plus he liked to fight, he would get trapped on the ropes, get hit, then become embroiled in a fight. After that chat we had a long time ago about Cotto, I wont even attempt to respond to what I know, what you dont know.

manny's one dimensionality was always overstated anyway.....his camp had been aware of it and had been refining his other tools for years...go back to any HBO fight since the first Marquez fight, they always say he had been working on his skills pre fight....but since it didnt really show against the morales' and marquez', they think he was still the straight left only fighter he used to be.......he wasnt as improved as now, but he wasnt as raw either....people act like manny is a different beast altogether since the diaz fight...as if he hadnt struggled 4 months earlier against a much better fighter.....

If you think he was you should take your own advice. morales was a refined boxer, but chose to brawl. there is a big difference and the fact that you don't know this means you should just quit boxing and pick up something easier like mma.

He's not as predictable when he makes his move, like he used to be. Opponents used to be able to bank on Manny lunging in with the straight left to kick off any combination, now not so much. He also seems to have a much better understanding of how to counter punch and use the moments his opponents throw to let loose his superior handspeed. It's not like he doesn't have any flaws, but he is clearly a better and smarter fighter. I thought the Cotto fight displayed that above doubt.

He moves his head more, but his head movement is too predictable when he is coming foward, at times its almost like a token gesture than a defensive movement. Marquez is a counter puncher that does not move after countering, he is there to be hit back whether he counters you or not, what will happen with a guy who moves after counter punching, or is bigger, capable of hurting you more with a single counter? I dont make this thead in relation to a potential Marquez rematch, infact I reckon he would still beat Marquez, albeit still in a competitive fight due to the fact he has not improved certain aspects of his game that dramatically imo, not on the front foot anyway. Like Floyd? But he must gather his balls first to see what will happen when they fight. Floyd skills are better than Pac but he is not like JMM who counterpunch in combination and not afraid to get hit in return. Floyd won't be able to beat Pac by pot shotting because Pac will overwhelm him by landing more than him. He has to put counterpunch in combination like JMM did to Pac but be prepared as Pac can hit him with his combination as well along the exchange. As his father Floyd sr. said in a tail dog sign. He was not confident enough Floyd will beat Pac. He able to see it through.

Back then..Pac was considered a one dimensional slugger puncher with no head movements, no right hand as strong as his left, minimal footwork, no angles with his punches, no in and out attack and many more. Just jab..jab..then left straight with pure power and speed. But guess what? He managed to knockdowns JMM several times. In both fights if you watch it again, he was lucky saved by the bell. Now let's say this is the same Pacquiao who fought JMM twice but certainly Pacquiao now packs more power in his punches and punch resistance that will walk through any JMM counterpunches. This the facts you can't deny. JMM is a lightweight and is a welterweight now. Even at catchweight between 140-147 Pacquiao will KO him now for good without chances of hurting Pacquiao back. You see..JMM is great but no way he punch harder than Cotto, Clottey, Oscar and Margarito at 147. Pac took their punches like nothing. Pacquiao will punch after punch JMM until he folds while eating some counterpunch but it will not matter. He moves his head more, but his head movement is too predictable when he is coming foward, at times its almost like a token gesture than a defensive movement. Marquez is a counter puncher that does not move after countering, he is there to be hit back whether he counters you or not, what will happen with a guy who moves after counter punching, or is bigger, capable of hurting you more with a single counter? I dont make this thead in relation to a potential Marquez rematch, infact I reckon he would still beat Marquez, albeit still in a competitive fight due to the fact he has not improved certain aspects of his game that dramatically imo, not on the front foot anyway.

Manny has not improved that much technically, NOT on the front foot anyway, on the backfoot yes, but I think people overstate how improved Manny is, specifically when he has to take the lead, come foward, which is why, I anticipate he will STILL struggle with a counter puncher. Manny is a different fighter to the guy who Morales fought, but Morales was hardly a refined Boxer, yet he was still able to control Manny, now the Marquez rematch was only in 07 or 08, and Pacquiao still had problems beating him convincingly, and there were spells in the Cotto fought that showed he can still be vulnerable to counter punching. Back then..Pac was considered a one dimensional slugger puncher with no head movements, no right hand as strong as his left, minimal footwork, no angles with his punches, no in and out attack and many more. Just jab..jab..then left straight with pure power and speed. But guess what? He managed to knockdowns JMM several times. In both fights if you watch it again, he was lucky saved by the bell. Now let's say this is the same Pacquiao who fought JMM twice but certainly at 147 Pacquiao now packs more power in his punches and punch resistance that will walk through any JMM counterpunches. These are the facts you can't deny. JMM is a lightweight and Pac is a welterweight now. Even at catchweight between 140-147 Pacquiao will KO him now for good without chances of hurting Pacquiao back. You see..JMM is great but no way he punch harder than Cotto, Clottey, Oscar and Margarito at 147. Pac took their punches like nothing. Pacquiao will punch after punch JMM until he folds while eating some counterpunch but it will not matter.

delete your account and never watch boxing again you worthless whore. If you think he was you should take your own advice.

Pac not cutting weight anymore bigger improvement than changes in him technically but he is a more complete fighter than he used to be never gonna be full fledged technician but as a boxer puncher/volume puncher, Pac is lethal

Morales was hardly a refined Boxer delete your account and never watch boxing again you worthless whore.