Pac is just every boxer's nightmare , plain and simple ..

a boxer. who is not afraid to let their hands go to back him off and get his respect. a good chin too. sounds like morales

nahh. i don't agree with this ts. pac is every boxer's dream of fighting. 'cept floyd. :haha: :bigeyes:

I loved the silence in here after the Mosley fight lol , Pacland was in shock it was like Manny lost instead of just exposed for what he cant do . Nope, the leg cramp were legit, Buboy was not acting at all when he keep on ordering Ariza to massage Manny's legs all through out the fight, as we saw finally in the 10th and 11th round when Manny got pushed to the ground, Manny easily caught up with Mosley, cutting the ring easily and connecting with some viscious combos that almost downed Mosley for good, it was just to late in the fight and Mosley was clinching for dear life... You cannot judge Manny's performance with just one fight, it was a bad start for Manny in the Mosley fight and still he was able to dominate. I still think the first 4 rounds in the Cotto fight is the best gauge for Manny... With that in mind, i still am seeing Floyd giving Manny some problems, i don't mind seeing Floyd as the winner, but it won't be a one-sided match as what some of the hardcore retarded flomos would claim...

Manny's list of road blocks for some simple, random, blood testing is nearing epic proportions. For someone who is so confident of his brawling skills, he sure likes to prevent the fight from happening. it's floyd that gets called a coward on nat tv mofo..its him that is belive to be scared of pac by fighters, trainers , and analysts.......it's only you flomos that think other wise..even micahel irvin said floyd is making them look bad...even minimi thinks floyd is scared...

mayweather fans are about as delusional as haye fans. treust me, there is a reason pbf is ducking manny. no excuse of money or tests or promotional conflicts can hide that if you just open your eyes. floyd knows. why don't floyd fans? Manny's list of road blocks for some simple, random, blood testing is nearing epic proportions. For someone who is so confident of his brawling skills, he sure likes to prevent the fight from happening.

Gayweather is scared of Pacquiao and you flomos knew about it since the get go. True story... :D

i think the only fighters that can beat pac atm is martinez ... he will have the power and the technique to beat pac... as much as everyone here thinks floyd can, i dont think so after the marg fight... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........ marg.....

mayweather fans are about as delusional as haye fans. treust me, there is a reason pbf is ducking manny. no excuse of money or tests or promotional conflicts can hide that if you just open your eyes. floyd knows. why don't floyd fans?

Im not sure it takes the kind of superhuman powers people think it would. Pac can be beaten by a technically sound fighter with a warrior mentality like Marquez and Morales, like the guy above said, you've got to be willing to trade at points and match Pac for aggression. Its just horses for courses or styles make fights, Pac has his kryptonite-esque styles that he would struggle with. Sometimes there are opponents who are all wrong for you in every department. The problem is, there isnt anyone at the moment that has done the things that need to be done to beat Pacquiao, or could do, outside of Floyd Mayweather Jr. Of course Pacquiao can be beat by attributes X Y and Z, but there has to actually be someone to ask those questions of Pac. And the only person people think can do it is Floyd Mayweather Jr very good.......... both have good chances of winning over the other... pac is like the energizer and will pressure floyd with his in and out style for 12 rounds, if need be... floyd will be technical and very calculating.....counter-punching who wins depends on who has more speed and power and who can handle the pressure well on..... toe to toe fighting.. inside fighting.......

Im not sure it takes the kind of superhuman powers people think it would. Pac can be beaten by a technically sound fighter with a warrior mentality like Marquez and Morales, like the guy above said, you've got to be willing to trade at points and match Pac for aggression. Its just horses for courses or styles make fights, Pac has his kryptonite-esque styles that he would struggle with. Sometimes there are opponents who are all wrong for you in every department. The problem is, there isnt anyone at the moment that has done the things that need to be done to beat Pacquiao, or could do, outside of Floyd Mayweather Jr. Of course Pacquiao can be beat by attributes X Y and Z, but there has to actually be someone to ask those questions of Pac. And the only person people think can do it is Floyd Mayweather Jr

but Manny was... - in a car accident - over-trained - weight-drained - dehydrated - leg cramps - being nice to Shane :rofl: I loved the silence in here after the Mosley fight lol , Pacland was in shock it was like Manny lost instead of just exposed for what he cant do .

A decent post, with good reasoning. At this point I just don't have an answer to how anyone can beat him (floyd included) because he is something quite special. People seem to forget Floyd can be hit, and be discouraged. Just look at Judah, Hatton, Mosley, they were all able to get under his skin in the first couple of Rounds, hell even Hatton had him a little shaky in the early rounds, this is something Pacquiao will capitalize on to his advantage. Pacquiao starts so quick and is explosive in the first couple of rounds, you can bet Floyd will get rattled early on, the way he handles it is the question mark for me. Pacquiao is never discouraged, he keeps coming, and his punch output is huge. You can defend all you want but you will get caught, those punches will not stop coming for 12 rounds, you just cannot afford to take a break against Pacquiao. I think Martinez has the best chance at a shot vs Pacquiao, that's my opinion anyway. very good points.... as to pac's heart, his loss to erik is a classic showcase of his determination and fighting heart.. cut and bloodied, he still keeps coming..and coming.. and this is what pac's opponents found out time and again.... some fought him head on...some just ran

What a pile of frogsh!t ,,, go and watch the Mosley fight again and you will see how easy it is to have Pac second guessing and unable to cut the ring all because a shot to sh!t Mosley had a little speed but Manny was... - in a car accident - over-trained - weight-drained - dehydrated - leg cramps - being nice to Shane :rofl:

You don't need one punch Ko power, you don't have to bang with pac either, nor is Mayweather eever in a defensive shell. Mayweather is worlds faster than cotto, has a very good body attack, has a proven chin, and insane stamina. Margarito always had a chin, work rate and the heart, defenseless statue, hatton and dlh defenseless statue, clottey too defensive and a statue, he couldn't cut the ring off against old blister footed mosley. Floyd is just as fast, has enough power, is far more accurate, he can lead and counter against Manny, Pac won't be able to just throw and throw or do is 5,6,7 punch combo, for one you need the first punch of your combo to land or your getting countered. What's manny gonna do when he can't hit Floyd. Is getting hit before he can throw and after get throws. I don't know what dude is talking about Hatton having him shaky? Mosley landed 2 big punches in the 2nd round then Floyd tookover so Mosley wasn't under his skin. He looked frustrated against Judah but when you consider how he adapted, he doesn't let any kind of frustration bother him, he is going to figure out your game plan and beat you with it. Floyd Is a style nightmare for pac, who has trouble with counter punchers and movement

high boxing IQ isn't gonna cut it. to beat pac you gotta have these attributes: 1) heavy handed, the 1 punch KO kind of variety of power 2) at least miguel cotto speed 3) ruthless body attack 4) endless stamina 5) granite chin 6) above average workrate 7) the heart to bang with pac. no one who goes into a defensive shell is gonna beat pac flomos and pac haters think a slick boxer will beat pac, but they are lying to themselves like they lie about everything else. a slick boxer will either get outworked or stopped late. runner can go the full 12 but they won't be winning the fight. What a pile of frogsh!t ,,, go and watch the Mosley fight again and you will see how easy it is to have Pac second guessing and unable to cut the ring all because a shot to sh!t Mosley had a little speed , Floyd will hit Pac clean all night and shut Pacs work rate down to the lowest of his career just like Floyd shuts down everyone , Floyd will control the distance and tire him up in close , it will be such an easy win for Floyd people will say what was all the fuss about . Look at JMM going to war with Pac it was life and death and Floyd beat JMM in a exhibition not raising a sweat . Pac looks the goods when draining opponents that are coming of big loses in monster rings with illegal gloves but a prime fighter in a fair fight Pac is in loads of trouble Mosley showed us how easy Floyd will beat him ,,, actually Ortiz will be a harder fight and a more dangerous fight than what Pac will be . Floyd is a Ring General do you understand the meaning of that .

high boxing IQ isn't gonna cut it. to beat pac you gotta have these attributes: 1) heavy handed, the 1 punch KO kind of variety of power 2) at least miguel cotto speed 3) ruthless body attack * 4) endless stamina 5) granite chin 6) above average workrate 7) the heart to bang with pac. no one who goes into a defensive shell is gonna beat pac flomos and pac haters think a slick boxer will beat pac, but they are lying to themselves like they lie about everything else. a slick boxer will either get outworked or stopped late. runner can go the full 12 but they won't be winning the fight. shane had 1, 2, and 5. *he would have had 3 if he would have had 7. i think the only fighters that can beat pac atm is martinez ... he will have the power and the technique to beat pac... as much as everyone here thinks floyd can, i dont think so after the marg fight... martinez has 1, 2, and 4. because of the ridiculous size difference, he'll also have 5 and 7. so in total, sergio has 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7. due to the massive size difference, he doesn't need 3 or 6 to KTFO pac. one well timed bomb to the head will do the job.

i think the only fighters that can beat pac atm is martinez ... he will have the power and the technique to beat pac... as much as everyone here thinks floyd can, i dont think so after the marg fight...

high boxing IQ isn't gonna cut it. to beat pac you gotta have these attributes: 1) heavy handed, the 1 punch KO kind of variety of power 2) at least miguel cotto speed 3) ruthless body attack 4) endless stamina 5) granite chin 6) above average workrate 7) the heart to bang with pac. no one who goes into a defensive shell is gonna beat pac flomos and pac haters think a slick boxer will beat pac, but they are lying to themselves like they lie about everything else. a slick boxer will either get outworked or stopped late. runner can go the full 12 but they won't be winning the fight. maybe im alone here, but high I.Q along with quickness and a willingness to sit back and hit pac accurately along with the intelligence to negate his workrate are whats needed. All that stuff up there doesnt matter if hes unable to capitolize on an opponent on the move, or an opponent who is willing to give some head movement and footwork. Also, more than anything, Pacquiao cant fight well on the inside, Mayweather can. Infact, if anything, Mayweather in a phonebooth is a nightmare for pacquiao, it pretty much negates everything pac does well. Pac needs to be at midrange to be effective, on the outside hed get jabbed, on the inside hed get beatup, but at midrange hes very effective. The problem is that every opponent except marquez pretty much stood in front of him and took a beating without any of the above attributes to be effective.

high boxing IQ isn't gonna cut it. to beat pac you gotta have these attributes: 1) heavy handed, the 1 punch KO kind of variety of power 2) at least miguel cotto speed 3) ruthless body attack 4) endless stamina 5) granite chin 6) above average workrate 7) the heart to bang with pac. no one who goes into a defensive shell is gonna beat pac flomos and pac haters think a slick boxer will beat pac, but they are lying to themselves like they lie about everything else. a slick boxer will either get outworked or stopped late. runner can go the full 12 but they won't be winning the fight. According to your list, only PAC can beat PAC. PAC is the only boxer with all the criteria on your list LOL.

A decent post, with good reasoning. At this point I just don't have an answer to how anyone can beat him (floyd included) because he is something quite special. People seem to forget Floyd can be hit, and be discouraged. Just look at Judah, Hatton, Mosley, they were all able to get under his skin in the first couple of Rounds, hell even Hatton had him a little shaky in the early rounds, this is something Pacquiao will capitalize on to his advantage. Pacquiao starts so quick and is explosive in the first couple of rounds, you can bet Floyd will get rattled early on, the way he handles it is the question mark for me. Pacquiao is never discouraged, he keeps coming, and his punch output is huge. You can defend all you want but you will get caught, those punches will not stop coming for 12 rounds, you just cannot afford to take a break against Pacquiao. I think Martinez has the best chance at a shot vs Pacquiao, that's my opinion anyway. The Floyd can be hit myth somehow has gotten legs and I don't seem to know why. You can count on one hand how many times Floyd has been hit flush and knocked off balance in his entire career. It's a reason he has the highest disparity between connect % vs. getting hit % in Compu Box history. What people fail to realize is Pac is a counter puncher. If you think he's just gonna come out and jump on Floyd, then you must want it to be an early night for Pac. Floyd would eat him alive. Ask Ariza how that plan of walking Floyd down with Corrales went?