why do people automatically think fighters from old would beat modern day fighters?

Well, this is IMO. Fighters nowadays are spoiled. They fight only 12 rounds, they have technoglogy and advanced gym equipment. Most dont have much heart or desire cause the world they live in is now spoiled. The only ones who have that true fire are ones who are born and raised in hard times aka ghettos. Fighters back then fought 15 tough rounds. They literally trained in blood and sweat cause in order to make money they had to win. they didnt have the advance in technology as we do or the gy equipments or even the medicines we have today. its like there were a tough sculpted rock compared to the "just rocks" of fighters today. why you think the heavyweight division is **** nowadays? people are spoiled into easier things now to make money. uumm??? did someone just hit the nail on the head????? i think so. that is exactly the point, things were a lot tougher in those days verses what we have today in our sports, i.e. technology, equipment, medicine, dietitians, etc. things were at a minimum in those days and they were still figuring it out. boxers today are tough but it was a different degree of toughness back in those days. having to fight the same day as the weigh in should be proof enough of just one level of how much tougher it was back then. and not to forget the corruption was more prevalent back then because it was easier to get away with, unlike today, where it's a lot harder and more of a covert operation in corruption, unlike back in the day where it was just part of the game. all i have to say is they fought more often, fought whoever they could when they could, and had a lot less preconditions prior to fighting, so that fights actually got made, unlike today..........

Old vs New See this is one of the reasons why I want time travelling to be possible. I want to see how old school boxers can do against the modern day boxer. No one would really know the outcome... but maybe a couple decades from now, they can make a boxing simulator that puts a boxer from the 70s and a boxer from the 2000s against one another and see the results. Al though I agree that boxers of today are spoiled, having to fight only 12 rounds, but that's because of an incident that changed it.

Because of the variables. For example, fighters back then didn't make as much money, which resulted in them not being baby'd like Berto, and that meant they had to win in order to make the money, so they trained like animals to be able to win their fights. Also back than they weren't promoted as easily as they r today, which resulted in us getting less pretenderslike Jeff Lacy. This also made it so that guys like Jermaine Taylor and Kelly Pavlick, who r potentially one-hit-wonders, will be out of the picture quicker. Once they became big names, all they fought were the elite, and people trying to become elite. Rarely, if ever, would there be any "warm-up" fights against journeymen. That's how u know the great fighters of that time were legit. Ray Robinson was a Legit p4p great, which is why he is the greatest pound for pound.

b/c fighters today cry to much. I feel some will beat some though.

also i rekkon if i had 6 months to train an nba player of my choice i think i could find a guy to beat the klitchkos.

one big thing that hasnt been brought up it is popularity in the sport. back in the 50's not everyone could play basketball, football, tennis, golf ect. and alot of people if they where good enough could make money from street fights. so my opinion is that although todays fighters have been trained better both physically and skill wise, fighters from the old days will usually always have the natural ability to fight. better chins, more will to win i think types of boxer matter aswell, i cant imagen someone like amir khan doing as well as he has now in the old days. where as aurthur abraham probably would do as well.

Re post: As for as skills that again is not true. Go look at the today P4P list from The Ring and compare it to 10 years ago. Pac Floyd Donaire JMM Bradley Montiel P-Will W. Klitschko Wonjongkam Martinez 10 years ago Mosley, Mayweather Trinidad Jones Lewis Hamed Morales Hopkins De la Hoya Corrales And, compare that to 30 years ago Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns Roberto Duran Alexis Argeullo Marving Hagler Salvador Sancehz Wilfredo Gomez Aaron Pryor Wilfredo Benitez Jeff Chandler The skill of today fighters are not as good as the skill of the fighters 10 years ago and can't really even be compared to fighters of 30 years ago.. Look at the skill level and slyes of fighters from back in the day. George Benton style is very similar to a very skillful elite fighter of this era? Look at Charles Burley style Look at Primo Carnera style. And, tell me is not like watching Vitaly Klitschko. And, look at Carnera size. He was 6'5 255-265 pounds, reach was 85 inches. Now compare that to Vitaly who is 6'7 245-250 pound with a reach of 80 inches. Somehow today fighters have not evlolved as quick as other sports. And, it seems like today instead of getting better are getting worse. ok ok i feel you, point taken. you sold me on that p4p list from 30 years ago, geeeeeeeeezzzz!!! thats some scary names on that! i agree with you on now that the top fighters of the present day may be less skilled than those of the past, obviously there are exceptions like floyd for example but lets face it there arnt many like him around are there. twas a pleasure sir......

Re post: As for as skills that again is not true. Go look at the today P4P list from The Ring and compare it to 10 years ago. Pac Floyd Donaire JMM Bradley Montiel P-Will W. Klitschko Wonjongkam Martinez 10 years ago Mosley, Mayweather Trinidad Jones Lewis Hamed Morales Hopkins De la Hoya Corrales And, compare that to 30 years ago Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns Roberto Duran Alexis Argeullo Marving Hagler Salvador Sancehz Wilfredo Gomez Aaron Pryor Wilfredo Benitez Jeff Chandler The skill of today fighters are not as good as the skill of the fighters 10 years ago and can't really even be compared to fighters of 30 years ago.. Look at the skill level and slyes of fighters from back in the day. George Benton style is very similar to a very skillful elite fighter of this era? Look at Charles Burley style Look at Primo Carnera style. And, tell me is not like watching Vitaly Klitschko. And, look at Carnera size. He was 6'5 255-265 pounds, reach was 85 inches. Now compare that to Vitaly who is 6'7 245-250 pound with a reach of 80 inches. Somehow today fighters have not evlolved as quick as other sports. And, it seems like today instead of getting better are getting worse.

Re post: As for as skills that again is not true. Go look at the today P4P list from The Ring and compare it to 10 years ago. Pac Floyd Donaire JMM Caballero Mosley P-Will W. Klitschko Wonjongkam Martinez 10 years ago Mosley, Mayweather Trinidad Jones Lewis Hamed Morales Hopkins De la Hoya Corrales And, compare that to 30 years ago Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns Roberto Duran Alexis Argeullo Marving Hagler Salvador Sancehz Wilfredo Gomez Aaron Pryor Wilfredo Benitez Jeff Chandler The skill of these fighters are going that. Look at the skill level and slyes of fighters from back in the day. George Benton style is very similar to a very skillful elite fighter of this era? Look at Charles Burley style Look at Primo Carnera style. And, tell me is not like watching Vitaly Klitschko. And, look at Carnera size. He was 6'5 255-265 pounds, reach was 85 inches. Now compare that to Vitaly who is 6'7 245-250 pound with a reach of 80 inches. Somehow today fighters have not evlolved as quick as other sports. And, it seems like today instead of getting better are getting worse.

You would think so, but no is dropping. Give me a minute to find a post I did comparing today fighters to fighters from back then. As soon as I find it, I will repost it. sweet...............

i can see what your saying there in the bold about the said fighters but just cant see how the level of skill is dropping, it may have reached a plateau for the time being, surely the general level of skill in modern day boxing can only improve as time goes on??? You would think so, but no is dropping. Give me a minute to find a post I did comparing today fighters to fighters from back then. As soon as I find it, I will repost it.

It really isn't. The skill level of today fighter is not far superior at all. Matter of fact is seems that the skill level is getting worse from what like 10 years. And, for the 2nd bold that all depends on the intangibles of said fighter and what their styles are. i can see what your saying there in the bold about the said fighters but just cant see how the level of skill is dropping, it may have reached a plateau for the time being, surely the general level of skill in modern day boxing can only improve as time goes on???

Well, this is IMO. Fighters nowadays are spoiled. They fight only 12 rounds, they have technoglogy and advanced gym equipment. Most dont have much heart or desire cause the world they live in is now spoiled. The only ones who have that true fire are ones who are born and raised in hard times aka ghettos. Fighters back then fought 15 tough rounds. They literally trained in blood and sweat cause in order to make money they had to win. they didnt have the advance in technology as we do or the gy equipments or even the medicines we have today. its like there were a tough sculpted rock compared to the "just rocks" of fighters today. why you think the heavyweight division is **** nowadays? people are spoiled into easier things now to make money. Co-sign here,it was harder to be a fighter back in the days,for starters same day weight-ins!!Very,very important piece of the puzzle!!15 or more rounds fight!!Imagine Robinson in todays boxing with pre-fight weight ins,advancement in technology for training,pure domination,real talk!!

"some" advancement in skill?? id have to dissagree with that, i think the level of skill these days is far superior to the old days, cant argue at all about the work ethic issue though, they were tough as nails back in the days of black and white tv. fighters these days are smarter becuase theyve LEARNED from watching the mistakes made by the oldies. i say you take an average fighter from now and an average fighter from say the 50's and put them in the ring, the fighter from present day will will say 8 out of 10 times It really isn't. The skill level of today fighter is not far superior at all. Matter of fact is seems that the skill level is getting worse from what like 10 years. And, for the 2nd bold that all depends on the intangibles of said fighter and what their styles are.

Technology clouds peoples minds. There is a grit and work ethic that was common back generations ago that only a very small handful have now. Times have made us soft and sports like boxing aren't advanced as much by technology as others. Sure there's some advancement in skill and athletes tend to be better off physically (debatable IMO) but modern fighters take a back seat when it comes to toughness and fighting experience. "some" advancement in skill?? id have to dissagree with that, i think the level of skill these days is far superior to the old days, cant argue at all about the work ethic issue though, they were tough as nails back in the days of black and white tv. fighters these days are smarter becuase theyve LEARNED from watching the mistakes made by the oldies. i say you take an average fighter from now and an average fighter from say the 50's and put them in the ring, the fighter from present day will will say 8 out of 10 times

i see what you mean, but my point is the sport has naturally developed as time has gone on, therefore the fighters have become more efficient at what they do. just because a fighter has had to train using only the most basic of equiptment, and fought in 15 round fights, often once a month even dosent mean that he automatically beats the modern day fighters, yes the fighters of the present day ARE spoiled, but thats not my point, the point is its just common sense, over time, sportsmen in general improve, its no different in boxing. its like saying the england football team which won the world cup in 1966 would beat the current engalnd team, theres not a chane, theyd get played off the park. nostalgia clouds peoples opinions Technology clouds peoples minds. There is a grit and work ethic that was common back generations ago that only a very small handful have now. Times have made us soft and sports like boxing aren't advanced as much by technology as others. Sure there's some advancement in skill and athletes tend to be better off physically (debatable IMO) but modern fighters take a back seat when it comes to toughness and fighting experience.

Haha you like that one huh. haha strange kitten you

Well, this is IMO. Fighters nowadays are spoiled. They fight only 12 rounds, they have technoglogy and advanced gym equipment. Most dont have much heart or desire cause the world they live in is now spoiled. The only ones who have that true fire are ones who are born and raised in hard times aka ghettos. Fighters back then fought 15 tough rounds. They literally trained in blood and sweat cause in order to make money they had to win. they didnt have the advance in technology as we do or the gy equipments or even the medicines we have today. its like there were a tough sculpted rock compared to the "just rocks" of fighters today. why you think the heavyweight division is **** nowadays? people are spoiled into easier things now to make money. i see what you mean, but my point is the sport has naturally developed as time has gone on, therefore the fighters have become more efficient at what they do. just because a fighter has had to train using only the most basic of equiptment, and fought in 15 round fights, often once a month even dosent mean that he automatically beats the modern day fighters, yes the fighters of the present day ARE spoiled, but thats not my point, the point is its just common sense, over time, sportsmen in general improve, its no different in boxing. its like saying the england football team which won the world cup in 1966 would beat the current engalnd team, theres not a chane, theyd get played off the park. nostalgia clouds peoples opinions

Well, this is IMO. Fighters nowadays are spoiled. They fight only 12 rounds, they have technoglogy and advanced gym equipment. Most dont have much heart or desire cause the world they live in is now spoiled. The only ones who have that true fire are ones who are born and raised in hard times aka ghettos. Fighters back then fought 15 tough rounds. They literally trained in blood and sweat cause in order to make money they had to win. they didnt have the advance in technology as we do or the gy equipments or even the medicines we have today. its like there were a tough sculpted rock compared to the "just rocks" of fighters today. why you think the heavyweight division is **** nowadays? people are spoiled into easier things now to make money. THIS ^^^^^:boxing:

too many ppl still stuck in the 70/80s