Was rewatching Cintron vs Williams.

ahahahahah cold blooded.

Cintron won all 4 round but he also jumped out of the ring and tried to get away with decision.

He told him to lose the first 4 rounds and barely tire or pressure Cintron with his low workrate? Come on man.. It's not easy to come back from such a slow start just look at Margarito vs Williams. Did you even watch the fight? Lets try this again what did Peterson tell Paul inbetween rounds? What was his advice?

Cintron should have won technically, but he deserves to lose for being a punk. Williams keeps the pressure up for all 12. Cintron would have folded. No question he was "robbed" though by the way it should have been scored. Notice no one cares though because he's whiny girl who fell out of a ring and acted like he just died. People who hate Paul Williams under any circumstance cares. That's who cares.

Estrada gave Sugar Shane all he could handle too. Define good then. If Estrada hung with Shane, why is he bad? Lost to Berto. :drive:

Cintron should have won technically, but he deserves to lose for being a punk. Williams keeps the pressure up for all 12. Cintron would have folded. No question he was "robbed" though by the way it should have been scored. Notice no one cares though because he's whiny girl who fell out of a ring and acted like he just died.

Cintron Estrada was a complete war. That was a great fight. That came across my mind too, but Estrada isn't a very good fighter so that's why I said good fighters that Cintron has been in exciting fights with.

Cintron, unlike Dirrell has never run away from a fight in the ring. He's actually been in some pretty good scraps and fought some of the toughest guys in the division. If Cintron was a runner, on top of everything else, I'd see your point. But he's usually in some pretty good fights. Name me any good fights Cintron has been in against good opposition besides the one against Angulo. I can't think of any. The fight against Martinez the crowd was booing it the whole time and Margarito made him cry and punked on him in the rematch. Williams' fights with Martinez, Margarito, and Quintana including the rematch were all exciting to me.

I don't see how you defend Cintron when you bash guys like Dirrel (for what he rightfully deserves) as being a soft fighter. Cintron sucks in my opinion. In my view he got lucky that night he beat Angulo because Angulo was sick and Cintron was losing the last two or three rounds of that fight and held on for dear life to keep from getting KOd. To me, it's not about who deserved to win between Williams and Cintron. It's more about what a question mark Williams looks like for not doing what he was favored to do as you were alluding to which is beat him convincingly like Margarito and Sergio did. That right there is enough for me to question Williams. It's not about who deserved to win that fight. They both sucked and the crowd booed them. The thing that made Cintron stand out as the punk was the fact he tried to milk a cheap win. Cintron, unlike Dirrell has never run away from a fight in the ring. He's actually been in some pretty good scraps and fought some of the toughest guys in the division. If Cintron was a runner, on top of everything else, I'd see your point. But he's usually in some pretty good fights.

Yeah, I can blame them because they're paying Berto 1+ million to fight unknown bums. And just because they say no, doesn't mean Williams can't stand his ground and demand the fight. That was an easily sellable fight with all the natural controversy around it. Williams preferred to stay quiet and explore his non options at 47' until he sobered up and realized he'd never get a Pac or Floyd fight. I don't see how you defend Cintron when you bash guys like Dirrel (for what he rightfully deserves) as being a soft fighter. Cintron sucks in my opinion. In my view he got lucky that night he beat Angulo because Angulo was sick and Cintron was losing the last two or three rounds of that fight and held on for dear life to keep from getting KOd. To me, it's not about who deserved to win between Williams and Cintron. It's more about what a question mark Williams looks like for not doing what he was favored to do as you were alluding to which is beat him convincingly like Margarito and Sergio did. That right there is enough for me to question Williams. It's not about who deserved to win that fight. They both sucked and the crowd booed them. The thing that made Cintron stand out as the punk was the fact he tried to milk a cheap win.

Jack HBO turned down a rematch. They want nothing to do with that coward. Can you blame them? When Paul turned up the heat, Cintron quit. Yeah, I can blame them because they're paying Berto 1+ million to fight unknown bums. And just because they say no, doesn't mean Williams can't stand his ground and demand the fight. That was an easily sellable fight with all the natural controversy around it. Williams preferred to stay quiet and explore his non options at 47' until he sobered up and realized he'd never get a Pac or Floyd fight.

Anyone think Williams and his team are worried about his chin? the guy has taken plenty of hits and walked through it.. he seemed hesitant as hell vs Cintron and that's what really cost him the first 4 rounds, rather then pressure he boxed and got outboxed by the superior boxer. What did Pauls trainer specifically tell him to do?

Jack HBO turned down a rematch. They want nothing to do with that coward. Can you blame them? When Paul turned up the heat, Cintron quit. I've been hard on Paul here lately and there are some things I still bash him for and I can't really say I'm a fan like I used to be. But I agree with you on this scenario Burner.

Paul basically gave away the opening rounds and now people say Cintron clowned him. Goodness. His trainer to hold to wait and we'll put heat on him leater. So obviously Cintron would look good for that short amount of time. Paul wasnt fighting HIS FIGHT yet.

In order to appreciate this even more, you have to remember what the general sentiment was before this fight. Most people thought it was a mismatch, that Williams was gonna destroy him, blah blah blah. This was a guy Williams was supposed to toy with. Yet instead of going back and demanding he clear the situation up, he just pretends that the Cintron fight never happened. That shows lack of character on top of fear of being ktfo. A true competitor would wanna get right back in there and prove that all the people who said he would destroy Cintron were right. People will point to the fact that he's taking the Martinez rematch. True, but this was after months of haggling. Also, where else can he go? He obviously doesn't want any part of Kermy, so the best option is to get a career high payday and cash out against Martinez. He knows he's been exposed and once Martinez k.o's him it'll be back to undercards and Espn matches for him. Williams' stock definitely went down with that fight. I won't dispute that at all. But if Cintron would've gotten that win I would've been more upset than Paul winning it because just like people said, he quit. Quitters shouldn't get rewarded. And if Williams some how wins agaisnt Martinez without help from biased judges and do it convincingly then he shouldn't have to rematch Cintron to prove his doubters wrong. HBO doesn't want Cintron on their air anyway because of the way he has acted. If anything, Cintron owes Martinez a rematch way more than Paul Williams does even though I admit that I view Paul Williams coming off as a bitch by trying to move back down in weight when Sergio was the only credible opponent willing to face him.

In order to appreciate this even more, you have to remember what the general sentiment was before this fight. Most people thought it was a mismatch, that Williams was gonna destroy him, blah blah blah. This was a guy Williams was supposed to toy with. Yet instead of going back and demanding he clear the situation up, he just pretends that the Cintron fight never happened. That shows lack of character on top of fear of being ktfo. A true competitor would wanna get right back in there and prove that all the people who said he would destroy Cintron were right. People will point to the fact that he's taking the Martinez rematch. True, but this was after months of haggling. Also, where else can he go? He obviously doesn't want any part of Kermy, so the best option is to get a career high payday and cash out against Martinez. He knows he's been exposed and once Martinez k.o's him it'll be back to undercards and Espn matches for him. Jack HBO turned down a rematch. They want nothing to do with that coward. Can you blame them? When Paul turned up the heat, Cintron quit.

The 4th is when he got rocked badly and held on to Cintron. He didn't win any rounds. I'll have to watch it again. I thought Kermit did well early in that round, but Williams came back, though I vaguely remember Paul getting his clock cleaned moments before Louganis exited the ring.

Yeah I think I had 3 rounds for Cintron, 2 of them clear. Was kind of odd to give it to Williams when the only clear one he won was the 4th - and it wasn't a whole round. The 4th is when he got rocked badly and held on to Cintron. He didn't win any rounds.

In order to appreciate this even more, you have to remember what the general sentiment was before this fight. Most people thought it was a mismatch, that Williams was gonna destroy him, blah blah blah. This was a guy Williams was supposed to toy with. Yet instead of going back and demanding he clear the situation up, he just pretends that the Cintron fight never happened. That shows lack of character on top of fear of being ktfo. A true competitor would wanna get right back in there and prove that all the people who said he would destroy Cintron were right. People will point to the fact that he's taking the Martinez rematch. True, but this was after months of haggling. Also, where else can he go? He obviously doesn't want any part of Kermy, so the best option is to get a career high payday and cash out against Martinez. He knows he's been exposed and once Martinez k.o's him it'll be back to undercards and Espn matches for him.

Yeah I think I had 3 rounds for Cintron, 2 of them clear. Was kind of odd to give it to Williams when the only clear one he won was the 4th - and it wasn't a whole round.