Assuming Arum really did agree to all Floyd's demands. (because we really don't know). Why were Floyd's demands good now during false negotiations but not during the real negotiations?
Does this mean that everyone that defended Pac and ALL the different excuses ("Blood" weakening", "Needles", "drug testing", "superstition", "Floyd doesn't make the rules", "Pac doesn't bend for anyone", Etc)were wrong and those excuses mean nothing?
What floyd fans continuously fail to comprehend is the fact that floyd jr DIDN'T COMMENT ABOUT HIS DEMANDS NOT BEING MET.
In fact, he ignored the issue entirely and talked about not being interested in boxing ALL OF A SUDDEN. Where was he living in the past few weeks? In Mars?!?!?!?
His response to all this hype is beyond surreal...
Hatred is a strong word....dislike,yes.I dislike most fanatical, obsessive followers of Manny's.Now it doesn't mean I dislike all of his "fans". Some at least try to be neutral (though they tend to be a minority on here).As for Manny personally-I haven't met the guy-I could care less-we have only seen the image sculpted version of what Arum has given us.Just listen to when he talks,he parrots Arum's "script"...The thing is-you haven't met him either,yet you rabidly and blindly consider him to be without criticism.Nobody is immune to the fan's skepticism,not Manny,not Floyd, not anyone...
Facts don't lie-they BOTH couldn't make weight-no matter how you spin it,you can choose your own spin on it,or twist it around to glamourize your cause,but it doesn't change the truth....the truth never minds stepping on a few toes...
That's where we disagree, this is not black and white. Like anything in life you have to look at intentions, their actions and how they handled things.
Tell me this, in the court systems you have different punishments for 1st, 2nd, 3rd degree murders, manslaughter and Euthanasia. If it's all the same then why isn't it the same punishment for all?
Do we know which "terms" Pac agreed to? Please educate me.
14 days or random?
50% purse share...or 40%?
Pac hasn't made a statement during negotiations. But Roach said that Pac was "all in. Agreed to all of Mayweather's demands"
WHAT WERE THEY?
what does it matter they were willing to negotiate and make the fight happen floyd went back to retirement. Lets say it together. DUCK.
Hatred is a strong word....dislike,yes.I dislike most fanatical, obsessive followers of Manny's.Now it doesn't mean I dislike all of his "fans". Some at least try to be neutral (though they tend to be a minority on here).As for Manny personally-I haven't met the guy-I could care less-we have only seen the image sculpted version of what Arum has given us.Just listen to when he talks,he parrots Arum's "script"...The thing is-you haven't met him either,yet you rabidly and blindly consider him to be without criticism.Nobody is immune to the fan's skepticism,not Manny,not Floyd, not anyone...
Facts don't lie-they BOTH couldn't make weight-no matter how you spin it,you can choose your own spin on it,or twist it around to glamourize your cause,but it doesn't change the truth....the truth never minds stepping on a few toes...
both failed to make weight but both are so different that only a nuthugger would compare the two. Be real and stop pretendind you are not biased with your assesment. Marquez moved up 2 weight divisions to face floyd and floyd didn't even bother try to make weight. Please how is pac killing himself to make wight in his division as a teenager gaining advantage for himself. You are twisted.
I don't know how you could spin it any further
all floyd had to do was step up to the plate, pac conceded with all his BS in the start and all he needs to do is fight the guy. For a supposedly easy money and a easy night's work, there is absolutely no reason not to take the fight. If he really wanted to fight the pacman, i mean at least assert some interest / excitement since you damn well know you are getting paid for fighting a bum and a midget.
I don't know if he's waiting for pac to retire/get beaten or become damaged goods after another opponent. If you run your mouth and hide when the opportunity presents itself then, you are a textbook coward. When you refuse to answer the questions thrown at you about the fight then yes, you are a textbook coward. When you have your entire clan desperately lie to the public why you're not taking a fight (which failed miserably i must say) then they truley had their heads up their asses. Anyone who isnt retarded can see that BS a mile away.
dont underestimate the stupidity of floyd fans
I don't know how you could spin it any further
all floyd had to do was step up to the plate, pac conceded with all his BS in the start and all he needs to do is fight the guy. For a supposedly easy money and a easy night's work, there is absolutely no reason not to take the fight. If he really wanted to fight the pacman, i mean at least assert some interest / excitement since you damn well know you are getting paid for fighting a bum and a midget.
I don't know if he's waiting for pac to retire/get beaten or become damaged goods after another opponent. If you run your mouth and hide when the opportunity presents itself then, you are a textbook coward. When you refuse to answer the questions thrown at you about the fight then yes, you are a textbook coward. When you have your entire clan desperately lie to the public why you're not taking a fight (which failed miserably i must say) then they truley had their heads up their asses. Anyone who isnt retarded can see that BS a mile away.
Do we know which "terms" Pac agreed to? Please educate me.
14 days or random?
50% purse share...or 40%?
Pac hasn't made a statement during negotiations. But Roach said that Pac was "all in. Agreed to all of Mayweather's demands"
WHAT WERE THEY?
who the **** cares
floyd ducked manny, period. Not because "his" terms werent met, no matter how much Manny gave in floyd said no.
Manny couldve agreed to be handcuffed to teh ring, floyd would still decline a fight.
Its that simple. Dont make it more complicated because you refuse to see floyd as the pussy that he is. it'd be easier to resurrect jesus christ than to get floyd to agree to fight with Manny.
The 2 posters above me tells the general consensus of boxing fans(casual or hardcore) boxing writers and boxing websites all over the globe:
PBF IS A DUCKER AND IT HURTS HIS FANS WELL SO THEY TRY TO TWIST EVERY FACT TO FICTION WITH THE HELP OF THEIR BLIND NUT HUGGING!\
Tell your boy to man up (i don't think that's a popular word for pbf and his fans though) and face pac and i guess it would alleviate the world's disgust of the mayweather's. However, damage been done. And if pac beats him when they meet, i guess pbf is right in ducking him.
Floyd is a coward.
1) he asked for OST because he was scared of pac first time plain and simple. You don't ask for tests above and beyond what the boxing board requires unless there is some reason for it. We all now know the reason is that he is a chicken.
2) Instead of saying the terms of the deal were not acceptable. He made a bs excuse saying he wanted more family time. Floyd = coward Pacman was ready to fight and floyd wasn't. DO NOT FORGOT A 38 YEAR OLD MOSLEY ROCKED HIM SO IMAGINE WHAT A PACMAN WILL DO TO HIM.
btw the 'other' in the poll most likely stands for
FLOYD IS A CHICKEN :)
Nice unbaised poll NOT!
Get over it, Pac called Floyd's bluff and agreed to terms, all Floyd could do was shut up and say he no longer wants to fight. Simple isn't it? Floyd the greatest ducker to ever lace up gloves.
Not sure what Roach meant by "Pac was all in" (sounds horrible),but his "die-hard" fans seem to be "all in" his ass....But it is not also pac's fans but pbf's fans as well. When mayweather said he wanted to relax after everything was agreed upon, all of his fans were "all in" his ass. Didn't you notice that they were the only few ones defending this guy after he turned down the fight of the century?
When pac ran for congress the first time, are all pac fans "all in his ass?" Are you aware that most pacfans were against this idea: of him running for congress? Even his second run for congress pac fans were split n the middle if not most don't want him to run and only his provincial peeps are the ones who wants him to run hoping he will share his financial blessings with them. This mean we are not really all in his ass no matter hwo much you wanna spin it.
All of his movies here are flops.
And now that pbf is in deep shit for turning down the fight, no matter how stupid he looks now, i'm surprised some of you are still defending him. Well i suppose "love is blind." And there are a lot of blind pbf fans on this forum.
Do we know which "terms" Pac agreed to? Please educate me.
14 days or random?
50% purse share...or 40%?
Pac hasn't made a statement during negotiations. But Roach said that Pac was "all in. Agreed to all of Mayweather's demands"
WHAT WERE THEY?
Not sure what Roach meant by "Pac was all in" (sounds horrible),but his "die-hard" fans seem to be "all in" his ass....
Does anyone know what "the terms" are that Pacquiao agreed to?
Not me,ask some Pac fans.They seem to masquerade as if they know the "negotiations" and contract details more clear than Greenburg!It must have been a "grade A" proposal from Arum for Floyd to turn it down! Maybe they (Pac's rabid fans) have a hidden insight that nobody else has...
I'm not leaving it at that, things are not black and white and why can't you detach yourself from your hatred of Manny (or at least his fans). What Floyd did was so much worse than what Manny did.
Hatred is a strong word....dislike,yes.I dislike most fanatical, obsessive followers of Manny's.Now it doesn't mean I dislike all of his "fans". Some at least try to be neutral (though they tend to be a minority on here).As for Manny personally-I haven't met the guy-I could care less-we have only seen the image sculpted version of what Arum has given us.Just listen to when he talks,he parrots Arum's "script"...The thing is-you haven't met him either,yet you rabidly and blindly consider him to be without criticism.Nobody is immune to the fan's skepticism,not Manny,not Floyd, not anyone...
Facts don't lie-they BOTH couldn't make weight-no matter how you spin it,you can choose your own spin on it,or twist it around to glamourize your cause,but it doesn't change the truth....the truth never minds stepping on a few toes...
Action speaks louder than words. Floyd apologists are so gullible. If Floyd wanted to fight Pacquiao, he would have done so already. If you want something, you will find a way to get it. If you don't want anything, you will find many excuses to get away from it. Floyd doesn't want the fight. Maybe he's scared. History will tell you. When people want him to fight Margarito, Floyd said he's doesn't sell PPVs. When people want him to fight Cotto, Floyd said he lives too far in Puerto Rico so I am gonna retire. Now people want him to fight Pac, Pac is on PED I want a blood test. now Pacquiao said ok lets do it, Floyd said I want to spend time with my family. So the end justify the means, whether Pac agreed or not Floyd will run away but will never run out of excuses.
Everyone was calling out Floyd for his return fight for the payday, Nobody except for Oscar dictates terms to Money May. Do you think he would have come up to Welterweight for any other opponent?
All I was pointing out to you is the fact that it was JMM that challenged Mayweather everything esle you mention does'nt even matter.Truth is greater than a lie period.
Thats not true about Floyd vs JMM. Heres two different articles"In order to chase Manny Pacquiao for a third match, Marquez decided to move up into higher weight divisions. After his impressive lightweight run, he expressed that he wanted to fight Mayweather. Floyd accepted JMM’s challenge and came off a 21-month retirement that was announced before the Pacquiao vs Hatton bout (watch the Pacquiao vs Hatton Street Fighter video)."After knocking out Juan Diaz in the ninth round last night, world lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez decided to take a shot at current pound-for-pound ruler Manny Pacquiao by calling out Floyd Mayweather Jr., the semi-retired pound-for-pound king of old." Look it up.
Everyone was calling out Floyd for his return fight for the payday, Nobody except for Oscar dictates terms to Money May. Do you think he would have come up to Welterweight for any other opponent?
No, it was Floyd that chose JMM and like Oscar did to Manny, he made him come up 2 weight divisions or the fight was off.
Thats not true about Floyd vs JMM. Heres two different articles"In order to chase Manny Pacquiao for a third match, Marquez decided to move up into higher weight divisions. After his impressive lightweight run, he expressed that he wanted to fight Mayweather. Floyd accepted JMM’s challenge and came off a 21-month retirement that was announced before the Pacquiao vs Hatton bout (watch the Pacquiao vs Hatton Street Fighter video)."After knocking out Juan Diaz in the ninth round last night, world lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez decided to take a shot at current pound-for-pound ruler Manny Pacquiao by calling out Floyd Mayweather Jr., the semi-retired pound-for-pound king of old." Look it up.
No it was'nt for a belt. JMM was considered the challenger in the sense that he challenged Floyd to a welterweight fight.
No, it was Floyd that chose JMM and like Oscar did to Manny, he made him come up 2 weight divisions or the fight was off.