Was the USADA's entire procedure for Floyd/Mosley fight SUFFICIENT IN DETECTING PEDS?

Well, no one has to bust that myth, because it's absolute bullshit and everyone except a small group of fans for one particular athlete knows it. As for the USADA knowing about the disagreement between May and Pac, I'm sure they don't give a shit. All they care about is implementing their protocol and doing their testing accurately. They aren't there to settle scores for athletes. We all know Pac beleived that he lost the Morales fight because he had blood drawn so close to the fight Now we all know that boxing is as much mental as it is physical, so Pac might beleive in his mind that a blood test close to a fight is gonna weaken him even if there is no actual physical weakening. So that gives Floyd a huge mental advantage

Why would Floyd asked for a 14 day cutoff before if it is not sufficient, when these Flomos who supported him then are now saying that testing should be random and no cut-offs. These Flomos are stupid, really.

The myth that Blood testing close to a fight affects a fighters performence.....Im sure USADA knew the little disagreement between May and Pac about the 24 or 14 days and should have tested at least 3 days before the fight if not 1 or 2 days Well, no one has to bust that myth, because it's absolute bullshit and everyone except a small group of fans for one particular athlete knows it. As for the USADA knowing about the disagreement between May and Pac, I'm sure they don't give a shit. All they care about is implementing their protocol and doing their testing accurately. They aren't there to settle scores for athletes.

I don't think it was effective, the fighter can use the peds or steroids before the start of the testing program and he will already feel the effect of the steroids, just like floyd was doing keep in training even though he doesn't have a fight. And this ost test will be useless at all, they should test the fighter in a whole year, maybe on that way they will caught floyd or other boxers using those drugs.

Personally, I think the more testing the better, so more tests close to the fight date is a great idea in my book. And I don't really see how any of this hurts Floyd's cause. They used the best program in the world, which is what he wanted. THe program was great, but the actual testing wasnt

There are gaps where they didn't test throughout camp. They can't test every day. I agree that it would have been good to have some tests closer to the fight date. Not sure which "myth" was supposed to be busted, but they did have a better program than they would have had using Nevada's. The myth that Blood testing close to a fight affects a fighters performence.....Im sure USADA knew the little disagreement between May and Pac about the 24 or 14 days and should have tested at least 3 days before the fight if not 1 or 2 days

Yea Floyd was suppose to bust that myth yet it didnt happen....i just dont understand how USADA could not test for the LAST 18 days, which are considered the most crutual There are gaps where they didn't test throughout camp. They can't test every day. I agree that it would have been good to have some tests closer to the fight date. Not sure which "myth" was supposed to be busted, but they did have a better program than they would have had using Nevada's.

I understand that USADA is the best available. My issue here is that giving 18 days room of no blood testing kinda beats the purpose on why they were involved in the first place, especially after seeing loads of debate about the efficiency of blood vs urine testing. Yes random is random, but when the USADA takes blood in such a long gap, this doesn't help Floyd's cause. If blood testing really is the best method in detecting Peds, then it's stupid in USADA's part to NOT take blood close to the fight, especially since they're setting a precedence here. Why take that chance if you're the USADA? For them to take blood 18 days away doesn't completely help Floyd's cause one bit. Personally, I think the more testing the better, so more tests close to the fight date is a great idea in my book. And I don't really see how any of this hurts Floyd's cause. They used the best program in the world, which is what he wanted.

The point is that they where promoting that OST is in a way, cheat free and blood testing is safe for boxers to do. yet they didn't hit the optimum standard by being tested 2-3day everyday before and 1 after the fight. they didn't took the myth to the test that blood testing very close the fight will effect the performance of a fighter. Yea Floyd was suppose to bust that myth yet it didnt happen....i just dont understand how USADA could not test for the LAST 18 days, which are considered the most crutual

within the context of the board it makes perfect sense for either side of the spectrum and dont pretend like it doesnt, thats all this place has been for 6 months, if you think thats retarded, whatever. yeah if you want to say that pac fans will try to side against mayweather on every possible issue no matter what, regardless of all logic or reason or reality, then yeah. i agree with you, i guess i gave them a little more credit. but i agree with u on that i guess .

The point is that they where promoting that OST is in a way, cheat free and blood testing is safe for boxers to do. yet they didn't hit the optimum standard by being tested 2-3day everyday before and 1 after the fight. they didn't took the myth to the test that blood testing very close the fight will effect the performance of a fighter.

:eek: Whats so hard for people to understand Random? But if you’re thinking that concession will lead to Mayweather vs. Pacquiao on Nov. 13, slow down. There is a big difference between what Pacquiao told Giongco he’d agree to and what Mayweather and Mosley did, said Travis Tygart, the chief executive officer of USADA. “That totally misses the point,” Tygart said of the reaction some may have upon hearing of Pacquiao’s concession and the timing of Mayweather’s last blood test. “If you know you aren’t going to be tested within the last 14 days, you can cheat and get away with it. It is our right to test at any time, 30 days before the fight, 20 days before, the week of, the morning of – that provides the deterrent. If you block out a period of time and say we can’t test during that period, then an athlete could cheat and get away with it.” http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=An5Mywjp2pLBHUYuUQa121OUxLYF?slug=ki-bloodtests052110 (The Red is especially for you to understand) This is an incredibly loaded question. It is impossible to guarantee a clean fight. What you can do is increase the likelihood of a clean fight, which is what the USADA program does. It is an implementation of the world standard for drug testing. Find me a better drug program and then we can have a discussion about which program boxing should be using. For now, USADA is the best available. I understand that USADA is the best available. My issue here is that giving 18 days room of no blood testing kinda beats the purpose on why they were involved in the first place, especially after seeing loads of debate about the efficiency of blood vs urine testing. Yes random is random, but when the USADA takes blood in such a long gap, this doesn't help Floyd's cause. If blood testing really is the best method in detecting Peds, then it's stupid in USADA's part to NOT take blood close to the fight, especially since they're setting a precedence here. Why take that chance if you're the USADA? For them to take blood 18 days away doesn't completely help Floyd's cause one bit.

no i didnt call you retarded, i said that your statement that pac fans would answer no to the poll is retarded. and as i explained, it is retarded, it makes no sense. not a peronal attack. within the context of the board it makes perfect sense for either side of the spectrum and dont pretend like it doesnt, thats all this place has been for 6 months, if you think thats retarded, whatever.

This is the first time that this type of testing has ever been implemented in the sport, weather it is successfull in catching PEDs or not isnt the point, the point is, it was tried, and will be tried again, initial forays into something this drastic is trial and error, thus weather its effective or not who fukking knows, its main element is to deter the idea of juicing in the first place. To me, there is just nothing else to really discuss on this thats going to illicit anything interesting. But since you called me "retarded" i guess you would know better. no i didnt call you retarded, i said that your statement that pac fans would answer no to the poll is retarded. and as i explained, it is retarded, it makes no sense. not a peronal attack.

This is an incredibly loaded question. It is impossible to guarantee a clean fight. What you can do is increase the likelihood of a clean fight, which is what the USADA program does. It is an implementation of the world standard for drug testing. Find me a better drug program and then we can have a discussion about which program boxing should be using. For now, USADA is the best available. Its only considered the best because its random.....the oymplic testing is better tho

yeah there is a trend that most stans stick to their guy when deciding these questions, but this isnt one of those questions. a pac fan saying that this particular style of testing is not good enough really says nothing positive or negative about pac, and if there is a reason i am wrong plz explain it to me. This is the first time that this type of testing has ever been implemented in the sport, weather it is successfull in catching PEDs or not isnt the point, the point is, it was tried, and will be tried again, initial forays into something this drastic is trial and error, thus weather its effective or not who fukking knows, its main element is to deter the idea of juicing in the first place. To me, there is just nothing else to really discuss on this thats going to illicit anything interesting. But since you called me "retarded" i guess you would know better.

So pretty much the point of the USADA is to 'scare off' the boxers from cheating right? And not to GUARANTEE that they will be clean before the fight, Correct? Bingo exactly what i was thinking......it should be the other way around....the point is to TEST the fighters to prove they are clean, not give them an 18 day window to cheat

So its retarded to see that ..well, by looking at the postcount, pac fans are going to say no, mayweather fans (like myself) are going to agree and say yes , what more is there to say? I guess my record of "retarded posts" consists of logically thinking that people are going to vote along partylines, which they will. These threads do nothing but deteriorate into that. Think about this, most of the best posters on this site have suddenly dissapeared, you know why? Stupid ass topics like this. So fine, im a retard. yeah there is a trend that most stans stick to their guy when deciding these questions, but this isnt one of those questions. a pac fan saying that this particular style of testing is not good enough really says nothing positive or negative about pac, and if there is a reason i am wrong plz explain it to me.

So pretty much the point of the USADA is to 'scare off' the boxers from cheating right? And not to GUARANTEE that they will be clean before the fight, Correct? This is an incredibly loaded question. It is impossible to guarantee a clean fight. What you can do is increase the likelihood of a clean fight, which is what the USADA program does. It is an implementation of the world standard for drug testing. Find me a better drug program and then we can have a discussion about which program boxing should be using. For now, USADA is the best available.

:eek: Whats so hard for people to understand Random? But if you’re thinking that concession will lead to Mayweather vs. Pacquiao on Nov. 13, slow down. There is a big difference between what Pacquiao told Giongco he’d agree to and what Mayweather and Mosley did, said Travis Tygart, the chief executive officer of USADA. “That totally misses the point,” Tygart said of the reaction some may have upon hearing of Pacquiao’s concession and the timing of Mayweather’s last blood test. “If you know you aren’t going to be tested within the last 14 days, you can cheat and get away with it. It is our right to test at any time, 30 days before the fight, 20 days before, the week of, the morning of – that provides the deterrent. If you block out a period of time and say we can’t test during that period, then an athlete could cheat and get away with it.” http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=An5Mywjp2pLBHUYuUQa121OUxLYF?slug=ki-bloodtests052110 (The Red is especially for you to understand) So pretty much the point of the USADA is to 'scare off' the boxers from cheating right? And not to GUARANTEE that they will be clean before the fight, Correct?