Lets be honest pavlik would be a bum without his power

I see pavlik getting way too much respect around here for being a club fighter, lets be honest here if it wasn't for his power this unathletic bum would be a nobody. I know it's already been said, but... you have a ****ing Abraham avatar. AWESOME contradiction. I'm sure low workrate, short armed Abraham would dominate all comers if he was a featherfist.

His power always seemed overrated to me.

Mayweather would get KTFO every fight if it wasn't for his defense. Pacquiao would be on the streets if it wasn't for his conditioning. You take away any fighter's strength they become useless. this is exactly my thoughts.

The bold is one of the dumbest things I heard all weekend (no disrespect meant cause someone of HBO said that as well). How the hell can people say that Pavlik doesn't have power. If he doesn't have power then who does? SMH What I meant was that it isn't a case of Pavlik just having power as the original post seems to suggest. Of course Kelly can punch, but he isn't that much of an explosive power puncher that it's the only way he wins fights.

Umm not really. He isn't even that heavy handed really. It's more down to his size and strength at middleweight and earlier in his career he did the basics pretty well and used his physical advantages. As he's stepped up in his career against the better, faster, slicker boxers in Hopkins and Martinez, he's been beaten. No real shame in that and it certainly doesn't make him a bum. Kelly would still beat most world rated middleweights right now because it isn't that strong a division. The talent mostly comes from below (Martinez, Williams, Margarito etc) and above in the Super Middleweight division. The bold is one of the dumbest things I heard all weekend (no disrespect meant cause someone of HBO said that as well). How the hell can people say that Pavlik doesn't have power. If he doesn't have power then who does? SMH

I see pavlik getting way too much respect around here for being a club fighter, lets be honest here if it wasn't for his power this unathletic bum would be a nobody. hell yeah he is it goes 4 abraham as well he would b a bum without it as well lol dirrell exposed em

I see pavlik getting way too much respect around here for being a club fighter, lets be honest here if it wasn't for his power this unathletic bum would be a nobody. Says the guy with AA in his avatar who couldn't even win a round against Dirrell, while Pavlik won like 4 rounds plus a knock-down against Martinez. AA is shit and a limited boxer who only has power, alteast Pavlik won rounds against a slickster like Martinez.

This is pretty stupid, it's like saying Roy Jones wouldn't be very good without his reflexes, Margarito wouldn't be good without his chin or Pacquiao wouldn't be good without his speed. These attributes they have (Speed, Chin, Power) all lead them to use the style they have. The whole reason Kelly fights the way he does is because he has a good right hand/jab and is tall with power. You figure out what style suits your attributes best as you box and you fight that way. For all we know Pavlik would fight a totally different way without his power, you think Malignaggi would fight the way he does if he had a knockout punch?

Got to give credit to Martinez that came to fight an excellent fight. Kelly is no bum, he has a good chin, heavy hands, stamina is good and keeps comming. He will still do better than 95% of the MW right now. Is he great? I say no, but he is a challenge to anybody around his weight class. This perfectly sums it up. He's just not co-ordinated enough to do well against guys with good movement. I'd still give him a very good shot against Williams to be honest.

He never fought calzaghe you cabbage eating c*nt ...:haha: And its a good job he never lol Wow. Just wow.

I see pavlik getting way too much respect around here for being a club fighter, lets be honest here if it wasn't for his power this unathletic bum would be a nobody. Dumb thread. Yeah pavlik is a bum without his power. Margarito is a bum without his pressure Shane is a bum without his speed Floyd is a bum without his defense

I see pavlik getting way too much respect around here for being a club fighter, lets be honest here if it wasn't for his power this unathletic bum would be a nobody. you could say the same about abraham if you wanted to, or any fighter.

I see pavlik getting way too much respect around here for being a club fighter, lets be honest here if it wasn't for his power this unathletic bum would be a nobody. Got to give credit to Martinez that came to fight an excellent fight. Kelly is no bum, he has a good chin, heavy hands, stamina is good and keeps comming. He will still do better than 95% of the MW right now. Is he great? I say no, but he is a challenge to anybody around his weight class.

That's just an obvious as shit statement. He's obviously better than a club fighter too.

Don't worry once calzaghe has snorted up all his winnings his 0 will go. It wont be that bum Pavlik taking it thats for sure ;) And that was proven when Calzaghe fought Pavlik.. He never fought calzaghe you cabbage eating c*nt ...:haha: And its a good job he never lol

what really cracks me up is how everyone in the USA said that Pavlik would school calzaghe :haha: and where are you all now ??? And that was proven when Calzaghe fought Pavlik..

what really cracks me up is how everyone in the USA said that Pavlik would school calzaghe :haha: and where are you all now ??? Don't worry once calzaghe has snorted up all his winnings his 0 will go.

what really cracks me up is how everyone in the USA said that Pavlik would school calzaghe :haha: and where are you all now ???

He can out point guys also, and that is about boxing skills. Before blood was pouring into his eyes he was winning against Sergio. And he outpointed a guy who outpointed Hopkins and Wright.

Pavlik also has a good chin, good stamina to keep up his high work rate, long arms and hes tall